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kinniku at 06:58 PM JST - 19th October

Funny how we hear constant (baseless) accusations of Israel being attacked by Iran "via their proxies", but when Iran is attacked, it must be an internal matter.

Ummm...do you need to be taught about the Iranian borders again? Don't you remember my clearly and specifically showing you clear and specific articles by Iran's IRNA detailing clearly and specifically the internal strife in the border areas of Iran? I certainly remember you not even having a clue about the problems in the area and you even encouraging people to travel to the region declaring it (LOL!) perfectly safe! Best to do some studying before making claims you can't back up. Speaking to Iran's proxies and support of them in Lebanon and Gaza, you seem to be unaware of them, but Iran knows it supports them and so do Hezbollah and Hamas. You cannot point to any statements of support on the part of Israel for any such proxies in Iran.

Its very clear that external forces have been trying for a very long time to destabilize Iran and change their leaders.

Yes, about as clear as your knowledge of the safety of the Iranian border areas, meaning it is as clear as mud. Bandits and insurgents in the border areas (you remember, the ones you said didn't exist a while back, LOL!) have been around a long time and whenever they have been arrested they have been shown to be homegrown.

They succeeded in doing so already in many (most?, almost all?) other countries.

Everybody run! Run! Run! The Jews are coming! The Jews are coming! Yes, they are faking moon landings and helping Fox News take over Al Jazeera. LOL! Your claims should be printed in the Onion. Hey, is that where you get your material?
sabiwabi at 11:42 AM JST - 20th October

Its very clear that external forces have been trying for a very long time to destabilize Iran and change their leaders.

Yes, about as clear as your knowledge of the safety of the Iranian border areas, meaning it is as clear as mud.

Then you should use Ajax to clean it up, Operation Ajax that is, look it up. Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of Iran's history would know that external forces (US, Britain,...) have wanted (and at least once succeeded) to carry out regime change in Iran.

Don't you remember my clearly and specifically showing you...

No.

You cannot point to any statements of support on the part of Israel for any such proxies in Iran.

And your point is.... What is your obsession with Israel?

Funny how we hear constant (baseless) accusations of Israel being attacked by Iran "via their proxies"...

Speaking to Iran's proxies and support of them in Lebanon and Gaza, you seem to be unaware of them, but Iran knows it supports them and so do Hezbollah and Hamas.

OK,if you say so, must be true then; or are you making stuff up again? I guess the accusations remain baseless!
kinniku at 01:48 PM JST - 20th October

Then you should use Ajax to clean it up,

Sorry, with the kind of mud your using Ajax would be quite ineffective. It takes a clear honest specific response to such mud to make it clear. Let me do that for you. That was in 1953. That is then and this is now. You again have made no proof of your claims. Interestingly, you still don't know about present day Iran at all. Let's look at the border situation again, shall we?

No.

So, you don't remember the conversation where demonstrated you knew nothing about the dangerous situation in the border areas of Iran, huh? Let's refresh that memory, okay?

http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/freed-japanese-meets-father-in-tehran#showallcomments

You mistakenly wrote:

When other posters expressed honest concerns about traveling to Iran, you wrote:

'So I strongly advise you not to go to Iran. But for others, Iran is a fine place.'

To which I explained:

'However, you seem to be avoiding the inconvenient truth that Iranians don't advise traveling in certain areas of the country (particularly parts of the western and most of the eastern borders) because of the danger. Iran is not one big completely the same area. Travelers should be aware of the situation and conditions in the places they wish to travel. That seems to be all most people here are saying. We are all perfectly aware that there are many areas that are fairly safe in Iran. This traveler didn't stay in those areas.'

To which you continued:

'kinniku, Do you happen to have anything to back up your inconvenient truth?'

Oh course, I did (as I always do):

As you can see, most reasonable people realize there are indeed dangerous parts of Iran and that people like Mr. Nakamura should exercise caution when traveling. However, for people such as yourself, I will happily provide a small bit of recent news of the area. Remember, I can always back up what I write. If not, I don't write it. Hopefully, people will read it and realize that it is better to do research about your intended area of travel rather than trust people who probably don't have their facts straight...

Care of the Islamic Republic News Agency (I previously provided a more complete list but it was deleted for being off-topic):

Wednesday June 18, 2008 Judge assassinated in Saravan, Iran Zahedan, Sistan-o-Balouchestan Prov, June 17, IRNA

Wednesday June 18, 2008 7 bandits killed in northwestern Iran Tehran, May 31, IRNA

Wednesday June 18, 2008 Kidnapped Japanese tourist, Iranian clergyman freed Tehran, June 14, IRNA

So you see, you really have no idea what you are talking about. There is a serious situation at the border and you continue to have no idea what is going on even after being instructed with Iran's news agency bulletins.

And your point is.... What is your obsession with Israel?

OMGROTFLOL! Um...Do you ever read what you write or does it just flow directly from your fingers without passing your thought process? You wrote right above here:

'Funny how we hear constant (baseless) accusations of Israel being attacked by Iran "via their proxies", but when Iran is attacked, it must be an internal matter.'

You brought up Israel (speaking of obsessions!). I merely responded to it. As I will clearly again: You cannot point to any statements of support on the part of Israel for any such proxies in Iran.

OK,if you say so, must be true then;

So you deny Iran supports Hezbollah and Hamas? Iran doesn't deny it, but you are willing to? That fits right in with your lack of knowledge of the safety and political situation in Iran. All three sides acknowledge Iran's support. I don't need to say it. They do it for me.

or are you making stuff up again?

LOL! You can keep saying that. However, since it has no basis in fact, it is basically your own joke on yourself.

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sabiwabi at 07:45 PM JST - 20th October

That was in 1953. That is then and this is now.

Yep, that was then, and they never stopped. Just open your eyes. Having presidential candidates singing "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran" certainly is a sign that things haven't changed much.

Anyway, they certainly imposed regime change in Iraq and Afghanistan through lies and deception, we ALL know they want to do the same in Iran.

This is an internal Iranian problem...

Now that is classic OMGFALAFEL
tanglewood at 07:53 PM JST - 20th October

Amadhinejahd is another self-hating Jew taking out his problems on the rest of the world.
kinniku at 08:51 PM JST - 20th October

Yep, that was then, and they never stopped.

Stopped what? The Shah is gone. Haven't you noticed?

Just open your eyes.

My eyes are wide open. That's how I provided the proof I gave you above. Did you happen to read it? You agreed with my assessment of the situation after I provided proof. It is there for all to read. You cannot back away now. You agreed that the Iranian borders were frought with dangers owing to an internal insurgancy and to bandits. Certainly the government of Iran agreed and so did their official news agency IRNA. Again, so did you.

Having presidential candidates singing "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran" certainly is a sign that things haven't changed much.

Ummm... the year is 2009. McCain lost. The bomb, bomb bomb stuff is finished now. He lost because of that. Try living in the present for a bit.

Anyway, they certainly imposed regime change in Iraq and Afghanistan through lies and deception

Lies. I am not sure. Deception, I am not sure. A mistake? Iraq, I would say, yes. Not Afghanistan, no matter how much you would like to blame Jews, Israel, the Mossad, space aliens, Kermit the Frog and Anpanman for what happened on September 11th, 2001.

we ALL know they want to do the same in Iran.

Nah, we don't ALL know that. What is clear is that we ALL want things to cool down. Iran blaming other countries for something they know is internal is not only ridiculous, it is a way of again diverting attention away for dealing with real serious issues for the nation and people of Iran, such as employment, and the economy.

Now that is classic OMGFALAFEL

Sounds delicious. However, the fact remains you agreed with my assessment as shown in the link above that a situation that was dangerous has been a problem along the border for some time. You also know it was and is a local problem. The funniest part of this is the fact you did not even know there was a problem until I pointed it out to you. Until then, you were actually encouraging people to visit all parts of Iran and even chose not to believe the facts until you had no choice when shown IRNA reports pointing out exactly what I said and I am saying now.

So, again, it really does seem that you have no idea what you are talking about.
kinniku at 08:52 PM JST - 20th October

Amadhinejahd is another self-hating Jew taking out his problems on the rest of the world.

Ummm...the man is not Jewish. In addition, I don't think he hates himself one bit.
sabiwabi at 08:41 AM JST - 21st October

Stopped what? The Shah is gone. Haven't you noticed?

Yes, and your point is what?

BTW, stop putting words in my mouth, its not nice!
kinniku at 09:00 AM JST - 21st October

Yes, and your point is what?

My point, simply put, is that you are incorrect. Read my posts again to see why in detail.

BTW, not putting words in your mouth. Just showing what you wrote. Nothing wrong with that. Don't forget. I also put the link there so anyone can see I am correct.
sabiwabi at 02:57 PM JST - 22nd October

My point, simply put, is that you are incorrect.

Incorrect how? That external forces are not trying to destabilize and change the Iranian leadership?

You brought up Israel (speaking of obsessions!). I merely responded to it.

Actually, you brought up Israel in your first post, which was before mine, when you wrote:

Umm...this has nothing to do with Iraq or Israel (as Libertas is suggesting in a roundabout way)…

Later on, I did mention Israel with:

Funny how we hear constant (baseless) accusations of Israel being attacked by Iran "via their proxies", but when Iran is attacked, it must be an internal matter.

I just stated a fact, that on this forum, posters often write that Iran attacks Israel via its proxies, but they never provide any evidence. And now, Iran is attacked and you write that it is an internal matter. And as usual, when someone does not blindly accept your view, you flip out with your “Everybody run! Run! Run! The Jews are coming! The Jews are coming! Yes, they are faking moon landings and helping Fox News take over Al Jazeera.”
kinniku at 03:43 PM JST - 22nd October

Incorrect how?

Your whole premise is incorrect. Again, please read my posts that specifically detail where you have been incorrect.

That external forces are not trying to destabilize and change the Iranian leadership?

Yes, that would be one. As you have admitted, and is linked in this thread, you are well aware (After I informed you, of course. Before that, you had no idea there was even a problem at all in Iran. You were even suggested people should not be concerned about any danger. You said it was perfectly safe. Then and now, for different reasons, you are incorrect.) of the local instability in that region. The Iranians have in fact arrested local people who are been causing trouble locally for years. Of course, this is probably news to you again as you really do not seem to know very much about Iran.

Actually, you brought up Israel in your first post, which was before mine,

I was responding to another poster, who was blaming Israel (as he and you often do for pretty much everything). He made that clear in another discussion. BTW, I wrote that Israel had NOTHING to do with it. That is hardly bringing up Israel. It is saying it is not part of the conversation. You, on the other hand, specifically brought it back into the conversation. (Speaking of obssession LOL!)

I just stated a fact, that on this forum, posters often write that Iran attacks Israel via its proxies, but they never provide any evidence.

Ummm...You did not state a fact. In fact, there have been few facts presented by you whatsoever. Again, I ask do you deny Iran supports Hezbollah and Hamas? Iran doesn't deny it, but you are willing to? That fits right in with your lack of knowledge of the safety and political situation in Iran. All three sides acknowledge Iran's support. I don't need to say it. They do it for me.

And as usual, when someone does not blindly accept your view, you flip out with your ...blah, blah, blah.

You were again attempting to accuse Jews of taking over the world as you have fantastically and unrealistically suggested they have taken over the governments and media in Western countries. I am just demonstrating your consistent need to attempt to produce some sort of panic about Jews in the world. Sorry you have trouble living with your own words (You know incorrect things such as suggesting Jews faked moon landings and Fox News being owned by Al Jazeera, etc). Maybe you ought to think things through better in order to avoid such trouble in the future.
kinniku at 03:50 PM JST - 22nd October

Oh, one more for the road:

http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/NewsDetails.aspx?id=61003&language=en

'Iran Proud of its Support for Hezbollah, Hamas'

Iranian Parliament speaker Ali Larijani on Wednesday declared that Iran was proud of its support for the Palestinian Hamas and Lebanese Hezbollah resistances, rejecting claims that it could be considered support for 'terrorism'.

He said the support was part of Iran's commitment in the region to assist its neighbors in fighting occupation, and he accused the United States, the West and Israel of contradicting the values of freedom and democracy. "They are freedom fighters fighting to defend their country and independence, that is not terrorism," he said about Hamas and Hezbollah.

So, yes, you were wrong again. Iran admits they support Hezbollah and Hamas. You really should consider reading more.
sabiwabi at 06:19 PM JST - 22nd October

You also know it was and is a local problem.

No it isn’t, what kind of reasoning (or lack there of) leads to that conclusion?

The kind of deception I am always pointing out in your posts includes your coming up with conclusions based on faulty logic as well as your constantly distorting my posts. One classic example is your interpreting my saying that “Iran is a fine place” as:

you were actually encouraging people to visit all parts of Iran

Did I ever say that all parts of Iran are safe? No! The same could be said about just about any country.

And you “prove me wrong” or “teach me a lesson” that Iran has some dangerous areas. Wow, who woulda thunkit?

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sabiwabi at 08:13 PM JST - 22nd October

Moderator: All readers, stay on topic please.

Thank you!
kinniku at 08:29 PM JST - 22nd October

No it isn’t, what kind of reasoning (or lack there of) leads to that conclusion?

The Iranian government has been saying it for years. The news articles from IRNA have been as well. Not to mention, the people involved are locals and it is a well known group. Finally, for a group that you incorrectly claim is being supported by 'them', they certainly have not done much damage at all. (Obviously the horrible fact that people were killed is damage. However I am specifically talking about damage to the nation or government.) In fact, there is barely any influence on anything that would resemble what you incorrectly claim would be an attempt at regime change.

Did I ever say that all parts of Iran are safe?

Ummmm...Pretty much, until you finally had to admit otherwise. You said Iran was a fine place to visit. Then when specifically told twice the border areas were dangerous, you still refused to believe it. The link is there. So are your words.

you “prove me wrong” or “teach me a lesson” that Iran has some dangerous areas. Wow, who woulda thunkit?

You didn't even 'thunk' after being told twice. Slow learner, huh?

Anyway, let's get back to business. As noted above, you were also completely incorrect about your claims that Iran did not have any proxies in the forms of Hezbollah and Hamas. Wow, surprise, surprise. You were wrong again. Noticed you tried to skip away from that. Guess it stings, huh?

So, to recap: Absolutely no proof of outside influence from any Western country trying to change the government of Iran and lots and lots of proof of Iranian proxies attempting to destroy the state of Israel. You really did not get anything right in this thread either.