Rice warns U.S. will do what's necessary to defend Israel; Iran answers with more missiles

Friday 11th July, 07:16 AM JST

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SuperLib at 05:06 AM JST - 12th July

Betzee:

True, but the Europeans have made an effort to resolve the issue diplomatically.

They've done such a wonderful job so far. Kudos to them.

The US is also going to be held to a different standard given the rationale for launching a "preemptive strike" against Iraq turned out to be baseless. Defining all US foreign policy through one country (Iraq) is a choice you make. Ignoring Europe's castration in diplomacy with Iran and America's successes in diplomacy with NK is another choice you make. There's a lot of information that should be included in the decision-making process that you simply choose to ignore.
SuperLib at 05:17 AM JST - 12th July

smithinjapan, what is amazing is your utter lack of knowledge of history. How many weapons had the United States given to the Israelis in 1948? How much money? Is it not true that Israel had to buy Czech-made German Messerschmitt Fighter planes at the begining of their existence in order to survive the first onslaught from her Arab neighbors? Is it not also true that the Biritish initially supplied weapons not only to the British, but to the Arabs, as well? So then, with such meager beginnings in a war that Israel had no business whatsoever in winning, how much material aid came from the United States? How much money from the United States was Israel given in 1948? You can pony up ludicrous statements,, quote and talk about US aid to Israel, which, yes, the United States has given, but ignoring the blatantly obvious point in the beginnings of Israel's modern existence is terribly ignorant of history, especially seeing how the Israelis had to use GERMAN aircraft to defend themselves in the first years of their war to defend their existence.

Blue_Tiger, in European/Canadian eyes, the Israeli situation is, was, and always will be an American issue. Europeans that I've met know nothing about the first 30 years of the conflict where the weapons Israel used were exclusively from Europe. They know nothing about European forces on the ground killing Muslims. They know nothing about Israel's nuclear weapons coming from France in a carefully coordinated secret from the US. They refuse to acknowledge that the entire conflict was created by Europe's creation of Israel in the first place. They refuse to acknowledge that every major peace deal in the US was brokered by the US.

And in the greatest irony of them all, they have no clue that Europe essentially abandoned Israel as a direct result of the oil embargo. Once the Arabs threatened to take their oil away the Europeans left the area.
adaydream at 05:56 AM JST - 12th July

I don't believe that Iran shot off these missiles until after Isreal tried to show off their air superority.

All Iran has been trying to produce is nuclear energy, just as the IAEA has stated all along. But just like when the IAEA said Iraq didn't have a nuclear arms program; the United States just racheted up their WMD rheteric.

The republicans, like John McCain say we need 50 nuclear power plants. But then our of the other side of their mouth they say that Iran can't have any. < :-)
SuperLib at 05:57 AM JST - 12th July

With all of the focus being on the United States by the Bush-obsessed, I'm wondering if how things would look if you removed the US from the situation entirely and instead focused just on Europe. Will people go around talking about European hostility towards Iran after reading this? Probably not...
adaydream at 06:04 AM JST - 12th July

I hope countries and companies treat Isreal with the same disdain that they show Iran.

Iran only showed it's muscle after Isreal showed theirs.

Oh how the US pumped out their chests and declared we'll protect Isreal no matter what.

But when Iran does the very same thing and shows some force, they are vilified. Condi starts preaching how we will protect Isreal no matter what.

WHY? We're giving them over $30Billion for military aid. Isreal wants to show their muscle. Then they are begging for anything they start. < :-)
adaydream at 06:31 AM JST - 12th July

There's all these posting about "We'll protect Isreal no matter what"

Link after link......

But still the IAEA has stated that there is no nuclear weapons program. I do believe that they have been in Iran and don't the snooping and pooping, checking out their programs and their records.

And still.....

More B/S by a bunch of chickenhawks and war mongers.

When did the US go into Iran and check out these nuclear weapons systems they keep screaming about? < :-)
SuperLib at 06:53 AM JST - 12th July

What links? I didn't post a few dozen links showing tough European rhetoric and threats against Iran. I just posted a few sentences with no supporting evidence at all....

(wink)
kinniku at 08:40 AM JST - 12th July

adaydream,

I don't believe that Iran shot off these missiles until after Isreal tried to show off their air superority.

I believe you are mistaken. Evidently, these Iranian wargames had been planned for quite some time. So, they are not specifically in reaction to anything in particular. Once planned, it would have been seen as a sign of weakness to cancel them under the present international conditions, so they went on with them.

That is one reason that I don't think there is any real reason to start a panic over these missiles or wargames. Everyone really needs to take a step back.
JoeBigs at 11:03 AM JST - 12th July

Hmm now what was that word that the Bush Administration hates.......One minute.....Hmmmmm OH YES the word is Diplomacy!!! Can you Republicans say the word of the day with me? Come on kids, DIPLOMACY.......Real easy word to use, well real easy unless your a Republican.....

Thank you and good day.................
DanManjt at 11:45 AM JST - 15th July

Looks like Iraq is bogging the US down.
MissWorldTravel at 01:33 PM JST - 15th July

"We'll protect Isreal no matter what"

Instead of trying to cool things down US is taking side.

And they still call themselves peacemaker. Honestly, its no fair and will only incite anger in Iran and the whole Islamic nations of the world. I for one wouldn't be suprised if Islamic nations aided Iran if US and Israel attacks Iran. They have been bullied by the U.S for a long time.
realist at 02:07 PM JST - 15th July

Im glad the USA continues to support Israel against Arab aggression. If Iran dares to attack Israel, it is definately curtains for the Persian empire.
VoXman at 03:42 PM JST - 15th July

While Bush meets with his cabinet to decide what to do next. A call goes out to the Israel. " You have reached the Israeli Air Force hotline all staff is out of the office at the moment, please leave your name and number at the beep"......Ref: 1985 Iraqs Nuke reactor goes bye bye after a surprise Israeli attack.
bibric at 05:41 AM JST - 16th July

So far, the US made so many things hurting the Middle Eastern people. In particular, given the ambivalent history between the two countries, US and Iran, the US must concede the requests of Iran, or guarantee the securiety of Iran, by deminishing the influence of Israel over the Middle Eastern countries.
adaydream at 06:08 AM JST - 16th July

What if Isreal rains down missiles onto Iran, will the United States defend Iran? < :-)