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some14some
that's it. Focus on global economy and let media care for the Korean peninsula.
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LIBERTAS
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Funny, but I think, in a moment of the haze of propaganda, they're telling the truth. Reuters is reporting that a German made torpedo sunk that boat, only available to fit a Dolphin class submarine, given away at bargain-basement prices to the folks whose motto is "By Deception You Shall make War." The DPRK just don't have those kinds of subs or munitions.
Methinks we are being deceived. By you know who. Again.
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nandakandamanda
Libertas, we went through this all a couple of days ago. There was indeed a report a while back that it might have been a German torpedo, (May 6th?) but when the final report was published it was concluded that the German possibility had been ruled out.
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Beelzebub
Libertas, methinks your fascination with off-the-wall conspiracies makes inductive reasoning neigh impossible.
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apecNetworks
To Libertas:
Would you have a link to the torpedo/sub connection? May be able to fit the puzzle if confirmed.
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nandakandamanda
Cmon guys, in this day and age, and after waterboarding, renditions, accountability etc., the US under Obama would never risk something like this.
If NK are telling the truth it will be something like this: "We" did not do it. (Well, not as official policy.)
A rogue element within NK or a mistake by the captain might then be possible.
More likely they still work in the Cold War mentality. Find an operative. Tell him the job to be done. "You will use this equipment, hide behind this island, pop out and strike a blow for the Glorious Fatherland and for the Immortal Leader. You are sworn to secrecy. If you are caught we will deny all knowledge. Even if you are successful, we will deny all knowledge. In your heart you will always carry the warm and glowing thanks of His Highness, You Know Who."
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sensei258
"will answer to that with all-out war" - You know, if you always threaten war as often as NK has but never do it, you lose credibility. So you have to do things like sink a sub now and then to gain (albeit the wrong type of) credibility.
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ca1ic0cat
We're being deceived by Obama? Over NK? That would be strange.
Everybody else is saying that NK did it. I don't think there's much room for discussion. Plus the "Economist" is saying that the torpedo has NK markings. Guess you pick whom you care to believe.
In the meantime if the SK navy would "accidentally" land a shell on the dear little pipsqueak's head it would save everybody a lot of bother.
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SezWho2
What would have been North Korea's motive for taking an action which was sure to bring it more condemnation and sanctions and to further jeopardize its relation with China? Who benefits?
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sailwind
Simple, N.K needs to keep the heat up against the "Imperialists" to keep its population in check and focus its anger at the "outside" instead of the "inside" for its misery, the leadership keeps its cushy lifestyle.
Relation with China in Jeopardy........Don't make me laugh, China under its present regime would never in a million years tolerate a unified Korea under a South Korea led type revolution. It would mean U.S bases in Korea all the way up the the Yalu river the very border of China itself. China ain't ever gonna let that happen. They'll scold Kim but they sure aren't going to quit propping him up.
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usaexpat
I don't want to sound too radical here but I personally hope that NK caries things to another war. This time I doubt China would add as much material support as they did in the Korean war and we can finally finish off crazy Kim and his goons.
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TumbleDry
I second sailwind. I hardly think countries in the West, even China doing it or SK for election purposes. This could quickly degenerate to a war that nobody wants, but enough is enough. KJI and his cronies are crazy old farts that should be removed. But how? Wait they die out naturally? SK should let Russia and China examine the proofs and make their conclusion. If the proofs are overwhelming, Russia and China won't have other choice to do something against NK.
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Beelzebub
That's the same befuddled thinking that led Bush 43 to fabricate the WMD story and "finish off" Saddam. Which seems to have run afoul of the law of unintended consequences...
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TumbleDry
Beelzebub: If KJI had any oil, there will a long time the West would have turn a blind eye on his regime or invaded them. Hypocrite?
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OssanAmerica
I agree with this. The only fly in the ointment is that if real war broke out, in order to ensure that the US doesn't end up with bases near it's border, China would jump in and and take over NKorea. Soon it'll be the newest Chinese province. Eventually they'll start eyeing South Korea as well. The Korean Penninsula Autonomous Region.
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nandakandamanda
Tumbledry, there is no oil in Afghanistan either. Oil is often a plus factor, granted, but not always. Other factors make the inhuman NK regime a thorn in the side of the world community.
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TumbleDry
nandakandamanda: hehe, why do you think the war on terror quickly switched to Iraq but this if off topic. About the evil regime, I agree and we have been quite too tolerant. We still have to go after the other regimes (if we want to be fair).
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nandakandamanda
Well, I suppose the ideal war would give you something in return to help pay for the waging of it.
NK cannot offer much economically... but there might be other reasons to want to go in and sort them out.
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SuperLib
Isn't the same same question we've been asking about North Korea every time they've done something over the past few decades?
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SuperLib
I think the world is seeing the cost that ultimately comes with "tolerance." The dictators get stronger and suddenly you're left no real options. You can talk about the consequences of invading other countries, but I think this is a good example of what happens when you allow dictators to stay....a chance of nuclear war.
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Beelzebub
It is most distasteful to be put in the position of defending Little Kim, but some might argue he has some justification -- it is an open secret that the US military maintains an arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons in South Korea. They have been there since around the time of the Vietnam War.
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apecNetworks
If the US can't produce the goods on the gun (submarine), but only the bullet(torpedo), it will be hard to prove anything. The great powers can see the geopolitical maneuvers. It still has to be demonstrated that the DPRK can penetrate a US/ROK ASW in the location in question. But, then again, politics can be unpredictable.
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apecNetworks
It has to be quick and contained - can not get out of control, or the G20 Meeting later this fall in ROK would be canceled or relocated out of ROK - would become an investment risk.
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SezWho2
Perhaps, but that's hardly an answer. North Korea has not always disavowed incidents in which we've asked that question. Why this time?
This "act of aggression" has the relatively pacifistic Asahi Shimbum calling for greater cooperation between Japan and the US military in order to stem "the North Korean threat". Who benefits?
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apecNetworks
There is good info about this incident on the net:
"The Key Resolve/Foal Eagle exercise on the West Sea near the Northern Limit Line (NLL) was aimed at keeping a more watchful eye on North Korea as well as training for the destruction of weapons of mass destruction in the North. It involved scores of ultra-modern US and South Korean warships equipped with the latest technology.[16]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKSCheonansinking
For those not in the military, please take a close look at the map in the above mentioned link. The naval exercise is provocative, but so far, no clear evidence that the DPRK having the technology to penetrate sophisticated ASW.
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