Saddam Hussein-era mass grave unearthed

Thursday 20th November, 04:00 AM JST

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Wolfpack at 10:50 AM JST - 20th November

That was an awesome post SuperLib; you described the opponents of the war perfectly. No matter how bad Saddam was, there is always this large group of people that were willing to make excuses for him. Even when the reputation of the glorious UN itself was at stake, they were not willing to say that the UN's resolutions should be taken in the least bit seriously. For me, those who gave their lives to defeat that dictator did so for all of the right reasons and their sacrifice was not in vain. Let me add for those that say that the price was too high - those that 'volunteered' to join the service gave their lives for a just cause. It was their decision and theirs alone - no one forced them to join. Whether the price in dollars was too high can never be known.
Sarge at 11:05 AM JST - 20th November

Taka313 - Nice rant there Taka.

"FOR ME"

"FOR ME"

"FOR ME"

"FOR ME"

It's all about you, isn't it?

"Taka's cost/benefit analysis for the U.S. in this war comes up decidedly in the red."

Thanks for the cost/benefit analysis. It must really grind your gears to read about yet another Saddam mass grave.
Taka313 at 11:08 AM JST - 20th November

sarge,

If you cannot understand that by saying, "for me," I was expressing it was my sole opinion, than I just don't know where your educational system failed you.

And yes, reading about any mass grave grinds my gears. Almost as much as people celebrating the finding of one to justify their beliefs.

FOR ME, those types of people have lost the message and are more concerned about being able to post, "I was right" on the internet.

Taka
JoeBigs at 11:24 AM JST - 20th November

If we really cared about these murders we would have done something about them waaaaaaay back then. But we did not care.

When the media tried to paint Saddam as a real bad guy how many listened. No one cared, these graves were dug in the 1980s.

Back then who was he working for and who supported him? President Ronald Reagan`s administration did and we as a people thought he was okay.

Do not try say that our CIA or NSA did not know about this guy and what he was doing to his own people. As long as he was "our man" he could have used the Kurds as target practice and we would not have cared.

Do not try to say that the President of the United States was in the blind as to what was going on there. The President is briefed as to what is going on all the time.

Let us not be shocked at what this man did. Let us be shocked at what our countries leaders allowed to happen on their watch.

If we as a people were so concerned about what Saddam was doing in his regime then why did we not act earlier? The answer is we were not concerned. We wanted him in place to keep the region in line with our policies. We did not want the Soviets to change the direction of where the oil was heading.

Did we care that he used WMDs against the Iranians? No

Did we care that he used WMDs again his people that we supplied him with? No

Did we care that he killed his opponents? No

Did we care that he slaughters his own people? No

Did we care he was a dictator? No

As long as he was "our man" we were fine with what ever he did. There is no way around this fact.

Hell he was also openly against Israel and we did not care.

But when it came to light that he was no longer "our man" he was expendable. Then we began to expose all the dirty little secrets of his regime. But as we exposed what he did we were also exposing what our leaders allowed to happen.

In the so called name of Operation Iraqi Liberation we opened a very dark chapter in our countries history. A chapter that was hidden from the people of America.

For certain members here to try and use this as a political pro war football is sad.

Just to claim that we invaded Iraq to save the Kurds and Shia from that mad man is a joke. 23 years ago our leaders did not have a problem with him slaughtering his people. We knew what he was doing and we did nothing......

**We went into Iraq for no other reason than he was no longer "our man". **

Do not try and justify this war by using the graves of those that were slaughtered. To do that is just sad.......
wookwook2009 at 12:37 PM JST - 20th November

Taka313 The thread isn't about the US war.

You validated everything that Superlib said after this point in your post.

He is no longer in power. That is a good thing.
wookwook2009 at 12:38 PM JST - 20th November

He is no longer in power. That is a good thing.
Sarge at 02:12 PM JST - 20th November

"He is no longer in power. That is a good thing."

But this good thing would never have happened if Obama and taka313 had their way.
sabiwabi at 02:13 PM JST - 20th November

wookwook, Saddam was executed because he is allegedly responsible for the deaths of about 150 Kurds. To accomplish this, thousands of Americans and over one million Iraqis died, and who knows how many Iraqi and American babies will be born with terrible deformities and cancers from the depleted uranium. Shouldn't those responsible for these deaths be treated in the same way as Saddam was? That would be a good thing.
Nippon5 at 03:06 PM JST - 20th November

Sabiwabi your missing a few zeros in your post...

*Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. *

And if the rest of your statement was true all Japanes, Germans, Europeans, Americans, And all most every other countries people should all be hung because they had ties to wars that caused suffering and death..

as far as your other parts ..

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/du-health.htm

And the body count that states a million if you count everyone who died in Iraq including those of old age, and other natural causes then you get a big number..... Most non anti war places count it no higher then 200k and most are much lower then that.. http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/tollofwar/tollofwarmain.html

War isnt good, but to throw uneducated numbers and saying around to make a point is a waste of time... Research it from more then just your view and figure it out...
mcheeky at 03:31 PM JST - 20th November

Hundreds of thousands of Kurds were killed or expelled from northern Iraq

Killed or expelled? Are those two things similar enough to lump together? Seems like a desperate attempt to inflate some numbers without "really" lying. Could be just counting missing people however, and not (excuse the pun) bothering to dig deeper.

Anyway, Saddam made a big mistake in attacking the Kurds. He should have let the Turks do it.

But I do not honestly believe that any American would just expect him to do nothing after an assassination attempt on himself. A great many Americans lost that particular moral high ground when they supported lashing out at Iraq as vengeance for 9/11. I cannot say if Saddam went after the right people or not, but I am sure he was a lot closer to the right people. I suspect he was just making an example of them to ward off future attempts on his life. Some have accused the U.S. of much the same, only on a lot bigger scale.

Did I just support Saddam? No I did not. But in my opinion a near 20 year old mass grave is not near a good enough excuse to kill a bunch more people when that situation stabilized over a decade earlier. Anybody grabbing at this as a way to justify the attack on Iraq is in deep denial.
goodDonkey at 12:00 AM JST - 21st November

Saddam Hussein was evil. Any attempt to slime this thread by claiming superior moral outrage is futile. No one can ever discount my moral outrage because I don't support their issues. I am able to stand up and condemn Hussein just as well as the rest.
RomeoRamenII at 01:02 PM JST - 22nd November

Heh, the global liberal Saddam apologists still believe he was just a harmless ol' coot.

RR
mcheeky at 12:01 PM JST - 23rd November

Heh, the global liberal Saddam apologists still believe he was just a harmless ol' coot.

Its more like low level rightists have monochromitic vision to the point that even shades of grey are not visible. Add to that severe myopia when it comes to predicting the fallout that comes with violent action.
DerekTrotter at 03:39 PM JST - 26th November

Saddam killed a few people who was trying to kill him and that. Wouldn't any leader do the same thing to make things cushty?

Americans told lies and blew up Iraq, murdered hundred of thousands of innocents and made millions homeless. My brother Rodney said Bush and Blair are war criminals, and i agree.

Saddam wasn't such a bad fella, he was good mates with Rumsfeld after all.
DerekTrotter at 03:39 PM JST - 26th November

Saddam killed a few people who was trying to kill him and that. Wouldn't any leader do the same thing to make things cushty?

Saddam wasn't such a bad fella, he was good mates with Rumsfeld after all.