Monday May 28, 2012

Slain Kansas doctor's abortion clinic to close

CHICAGO —

One of the few remaining US clinics that provided controversial late-term abortions will close in the wake of its owner’s murder, the slain doctor’s family said Tuesday.

The decision has left counseling centers scrambling to find a place to send women seeking to abort a fetus in the second or third trimester, at a time when providers across the country are fearful they could be the next target.

George Tiller, 67, was a lightning rod in the nation’s culture wars over abortion and had already been shot in the arms and seen his Kansas clinic bombed, vandalized and targeted by decades of protests before he was gunned down in the foyer of his church on May 31.

Just two other clinics in the United States are believed to provide the controversial procedure, which is legal in many states only when a doctor determines that an abortion is necessary to preserve the health or life of the mother.

Abortion opponents argued that doctors like Tiller stretched the definition of preserving a women’s health to cover mere moodiness.

Less than 0.4% of U.S. abortions are performed after 23 weeks—the point at which a fetus could be viable outside the womb—according to the most recent study by the Guttmacher Institute.

“It’s almost exclusively for reasons of fetal or maternal health: extreme fetal abnormalities or serious threats to the mother,” said Rachel Jones, a senior researcher at the institute, which studies reproductive and sexual health.

It is not clear whether the two remaining clinics will be able to absorb Tiller’s caseload, Jones said, and it’s possible some women may end up dying because they could not access the highly-specialized procedure.

Tiller’s family had initially said the clinic would reopen after a brief mourning period, but on Tuesday said it would be “permanently closed” and that the family would cease any involvement with abortion clinics.

“We are proud of the service and courage shown by our husband and father and know that women’s health care needs have been met because of his dedication and service,” the family said in a statement issued by their lawyers.

“That is a legacy that will never die. The family will honor Dr Tiller’s memory through private charitable activities.

“The Tiller family wishes to assure Dr Tiller’s past patients that the privacy of their medical histories and patient records will remain as fiercely protected now and in the future as they were during Dr Tiller’s lifetime.”

Around 1,000 mourners gathered in Wichita, Kansas, for Tiller’s funeral on Saturday where police ringed off groups of protesters who held signs outside claiming “God sent the shooter” and “God hates abortions.”

A 51-year-old Kansas City area resident with a history of mental problems and links to anti-abortion groups has been charged with his murder.

Many anti-abortion groups have denounced his killing and distanced themselves from his alleged killer, Scott Roeder, who was remanded on a $5 million bond.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has said it will see whether any other crimes were committed by Roeder or others in connection with Tiller’s death.

In a jailhouse interview with CNN Tuesday, Roeder said the clinic’s closure was ” a victory for all the unborn children” and would mean “no more slicing and dicing of the unborn child in the mother’s womb and no more needles of poison into the baby’s heart to stop the heart from beating, and no more partial-birth abortions.”

Roeder did not admit to the slaying, but told CNN that if he is convicted “the entire motive was the defense of the unborn.”

Wire reports

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    goodDonkey

    "We do not promote violence but are certainly happy with this result" said the clichéd conservative spokesman.

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    goodDonkey

    "We do not promote violence but are certainly happy with this result" said the clichéd conservative spokesman.

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    VOR

    murderers suck!

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    usaexpat

    So the fundies won through this act of terrorism. Those who commented on this story the other day that Pro Life groups weren't represented by this crazy how do you repond to the jailhouse protestors mentioned above? I think while many in the pro-life movement would denounce this guy many are also satisfied with the end result. I myself am pretty sick of the whole thing, the decades long fight over abortion and for that matter same sex marriage is why other developed countries see the US as a social 3rd world country. When are we going to get with the program and get religeon out of the public square?

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    jeancolmar

    No doubt the so-call Right to Life terrorists are celebrating. Don't believe their phony condemnations of this political murder for a second.

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    Good_Jorb

    “God sent the shooter” and “God hates abortions.”

    A 51-year-old Kansas City area resident with a history of mental problems

    I believe that Islamic Extremist are the only other group of people that believe God/Allah would/should use mentally ill people to enact his divine retribution. A perfect example of the state and religion should remain seperate.

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    nandakandamanda

    May God/Allah save us from extremists.

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    Den Den

    Terrorists win again. We should open a hundred more to prove we are not a fundamentalist nation, we are one that stands for freedom and democracy.

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    Badsey

    The Pro-Death group will always win = now we are aborting Doctors and Parents! At some point people must stand up and say "stop the aborting"

    But we are in a recession -people are more fearful for themselves than anyone else = all this aborting continues.

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    Madverts

    "At some point people must stand up and say "stop the aborting" "

    Great. Backstreet abortions ahoy.

    I'm so glad to live in a secular country where the flat-earthers are a minority looked upon by the rest of us as would the doting parents of an ebulliant child.

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    Badsey

    I like to say "pro-choice 21": If you are going to abort, you should have that choice until college-age. By then you have figured out if your kid is a loser or not. +it's harder to get your kids adopted once they are past the teens and the hatch option is way overdue.

    So you could say doting until 21 -then you are considered an adult. With Pro-Choice 21 I do believe kids would be more obedient. You could always sell your kid to the socialist state or ObamaCorps also.

    Pro-Choice 21 is really just another option (opportunity) for parents. -and isn't that what well all want? (I sound like Hilliary don't I?)

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    goodDonkey

    Badsey, you say such cute things.

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    Badsey

    Truth: If it was pro-Choice 99, I would guarantee that kids would take care of their parents better. -but the anti-Choice crowd would never go-for-it. I would be even willing to compromise with pro-Choice until senile (no age restriction!)

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    Molenir

    Ever know anyone who was nearly aborted? I have. Ever know anyone who has had an abortion? I have. Ever know any girl who has had an abortion, and later regretted it? I have again. I'm sorry the man died. But I do agree that fewer unborn children will be murdered, is a good thing.

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    Badsey

    Madverts: You speak of the pompatus of love, yet want your puppetutes. You are the ultimate anti-choice.

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    flatearther

    So no other doctors are going to step up and take over Dr. Tiller's clinic because America, as a country, refuses to protect people who are simply doing their jobs? What happens if a religious group in America decides that cancer doctors are wrong because they're interfering with god's will? Is America really planning on letting mentally unstable people control a citizen's access to health care? For the record, it's no one's business whether I'm for or against. I'm simply wondering what happened to being able to practice your profession without fear of death, something that used to be a matter of course when our society was run by sane people, not zealots.

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    Molenir

    So no other doctors are going to step up and take over Dr. Tiller's clinic because America, as a country, refuses to protect people who are simply doing their jobs?

    Please. Its because very few people become doctors for the sake of murdering the unborn. There is a serious social stigma about it. Compare saving someones life, to killing an unborn child, how many doctors do you think are willing to do this? Add to the fact that there are quite a few abortion clinics, and they all have armed security, 24/7. Uniformed police routinely camp outside the clinics. Some of these doctors even have police escorts to and from work. How many doctors who otherwise might be willing, want to live that lifestyle, or put their own families through that hell?

    Its not a matter of being unwilling to protect these people, its these people don't want to be stifled, and so few are willing to go through that life. Can anyone blame them?

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    flatearther

    While "very few doctors become doctors for the sake of murdering the unborn" I believe all doctors practice for the sake of protecting human life. As the article stated, these 0.4 percent of abortions are performed mostly for this reason, protecting a woman's life.
    The point I'm trying to make is how completely obscene it is that in my home country, we don't even protect people trying to do this. While it may be true that some doctors choose not to perform this type of abortion because, as you pointed out,"they don't want to be stifled", a lot of them don't out of simple fear. A very reasonable fear, as it turns out.

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    Badsey

    I don't want to "stifle" you, but this Dr's license was to be revoked in 2 months anyway. I see very little method in the guy's madness.

    Was there supposed a replacement for Stalin or Hitler? Even the Pro-Death Anti-Choice crowd should be rejoicing.

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    Molenir

    The point I'm trying to make is how completely obscene it is that in my home country, we don't even protect people trying to do this. While it may be true that some doctors choose not to perform this type of abortion because, as you pointed out,"they don't want to be stifled", a lot of them don't out of simple fear. A very reasonable fear, as it turns out.

    You do realize, that obstetricians can remove a child to save the life of the mother. They don't need to use the partial birth abortion technique to do it. There are other techniques in common practice that can and are used in those cases.

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    flatearther

    molenir- Really? In all cases? Please, Dr, tell me. Is it really ALL cases?
    Unfortunately, there are instances where a late-term abortion IS necessary to save the mother's life, However, they are an exceptionally small amount of cases. 0.4% according to the article, and that's also taking fetal abnormalities, etc. into account. I only wish that these procedures WERE completely unnecessary. I think it's a horrid choice to have to make, deciding whether your own life or your child's life should be sacrificed/risked.

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    Molenir

    Unfortunately, there are instances where a late-term abortion IS necessary to save the mother's life, However, they are an exceptionally small amount of cases. 0.4%

    You really don't know anything about the subject do you. Please don't presume to think you do. Partial birth abortion is NEVER necessary. Whether its C-Section, or prior to 24 weeks, a hysterotomy, there are alternatives. Regarding Partial Birth Abortion, one nurse I know, referred to it, as being nothing more then a way to "torture babies, and lie to the mother."

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    flatearther

    So you know a nurse, then? Does that make you a Doctor? Do you have medical training?
    Please don't use your second hand opinions to justify your complete lack of medical knowledge. Perhaps "You really don't know anything about the subject do you".
    While I sympathize with what I hope is your desire to protect innocent life, I abhor that you feel the sacrifice of innocent lives justifies it.
    My father is a Dr, I grew up around Doctors and I know that there are cases where this procedure is medically necessary. Please spend your time educating yourself rather than spewing vile nonsense.

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    Molenir

    While I sympathize with what I hope is your desire to protect innocent life, I abhor that you feel the sacrifice of innocent lives justifies it.

    Where do you get this from? Sacrificing innocent lives? I've never once stated this. Murder is murder, whether its unborn children, or the doctors or nurses who work in abortion clinics. I don't justify killing either one. Saying you know a doctor, and claiming that you know cases where this is necessary, I dare you to name one.

    My father is a Dr, I grew up around Doctors and I know that there are cases where this procedure is medically necessary. Please spend your time educating yourself rather than spewing vile nonsense.

    Let me clue you in, since apparently you can't be troubled to read. Go back up and reread the article. Note that .4% of cases you mention, are cases where abortions are performed after 23/24 weeks. The time at which a child becomes viable outside the womb. After 24 weeks however, there is no reason, no medical reason why an abortion would need to be performed. Don't believe me? Do a bit of research yourself.
    Or better yet, assuming your father is an obstetrician or a gynecologist, go ask him. He'll tell you your an utter moron, just like I am. Don't presume to think you know what you're talking about here. I don't claim to know everything about medicine. Most other fields, I wouldn't have a clue, but in this one field, I can speak pretty authoritatively. Partial-Birth Abortions are Never, let me say that again, NEVER necessary. There are other procedures that can be used, procedures that are not nearly as risky to the mother. Please, do a little research on the subject first next time.

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    flatearther

    No offense, but I disagree with this statement, "your an utter moron, just like I am." Speak for yourself, and only yourself, don't lump me into your category.
    The innocent life I am referring to is the mother's, or does she not count as life?
    How can you speak authoritatively? Again, you've never claimed to be a Dr.

    Please, do a little more research, this time look outside of those pamphlets anti-choice people hand out.
    On a personal note, thanks for telling me that you know everything about my father and that he would call me a moron, that certainly shows you to be a logical and rational person, capable of having a discussion in regards to human life.

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    Molenir

    I actually logged back on here, because upon reflection, I realized that calling you things like "utter moron" was simply unfair. I realize you haven't done research on the subject, however maligning your intelligence is simply going too far. Allow then instead to reset the arguments a bit, and I'll endeavor to cease the disparaging remarks.

    Regarding the innocent life you speak of. I misunderstood the context you were referring. This article, refers to the doctor that was murdered recently, and so I mistakenly believed you were referring to him. Since however you are talking about the Partial-Birth Abortion procedure, and how in extremely rare cases, it supposedly is needed to save the life of a woman. If this is in fact the case, I have to tell you, I have never read, a single case study, or for that matter, heard of one, in which, there is not a better, safer procedure to use if the mothers life is in jeopardy. If you can find one, by all means, please point it out. In every case I have read, in which a womans life is compromised, such that its either her life, or that of her unborn child, whether through injury, or some medical condition like Pre-eclampsia, in every case a simple c-section or a hysterotomy is safer, and more easily performed.

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    adaydream

    I understand that the doctor that worked with Tiller will keep his shingle hanging. Whether it's the same clinic or a different clinic. I hope he does. < :-)

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    Madverts

    "Madverts: You speak of the pompatus of love, yet want your puppetutes. You are the ultimate anti-choice."

    Neh?

    Being pro-choice makes me the ultimate "anti-choice"?

    Could you explain that one to me again?

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    goodDonkey

    Molenir said:

    Ever know anyone who was nearly aborted? I have.

    Yeah Right! The things you say just get more ridiculous every day.

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    Madverts

    Let the flat-earthers shriek their nonesense.

    I'd rather it be legal and put up with their fire and brimstone than see women suffer or die from the backstreet abortions that would take over if these religious nutters get their way.

    They're really no different from the Taliban, minus the music and the beards.

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    Molenir

    Yeah Right! The things you say just get more ridiculous every day.

    I had a buddy a few years back, whose mom admitted that she was going to get an abortion, even went so far as to make the appointment, before deciding she couldn't go through with it. I suspect there are quite a few kids alive today, who wouldn't be, if their parents had followed their first inclinations. Maybe you're one of them?

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