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mikehuntez
Because no one bothered to report him. This shows the complacency of those that recognized his radical views in the mosque. And they wonder why we are suspicious of them all when they can't finger their own. Is it because of the cartoons?
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borscht
I don't know if I'd feel comfortable living in a country where anyone who thought I was too radical reported me to the police. First, it would give the police way too much to do in sorting out which of us is the looney and second, my 'sane and rational thinking' might be somebody else's radical terrorism.
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thetruthhurts
I wonder if the elders also tried to counsel the suspect privately. Sometimes calling a person out in front of others only leads them to feel isolated. Perhaps they did try and felt calling him out was a last resort? I agree with borscht that I would not feel comfortable with people reporting each other willy nilly.
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GJDailleult
The line in the news reports last night was that this trend of the "lone wolf" style of terrorist is strategic, because an individual acting alone is a lot harder for law enforcement to detect than a group is. That might be true, but it also might just mean it is difficult to find enough guys willing and with the ability to carry out an attack. It also might mean that the terrorists figure that big attacks are not necessary anymore, that they just need to keep the heat on low, and they will get the reaction they want.
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smithinjapan
mikehuntez: "Because no one bothered to report him. This shows the complacency of those that recognized his radical views in the mosque."
BS! You can't report someone when there's nothing to report. You guys will go to any ends to paint all Muslims and mosques as evil, at first complaining and asking, "Why doesn't the Muslim world condemn the actions?" and then when they do, as is the case here, you find some other excuse to hate them.
Here's a news flash: people that will go to such extremes to hate extremists are really no better at all.
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thetruthhurts
smith,
You had me up until the end. IMHO, there is nothing wrong with a dislike of extremists. Perhaps you meant to reword that part?
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mikehuntez
Smith in case you missed this part of the article:
Because they didn't think he was going to do something stupid they didn't bother to report him? Really glad he was as incompetent as he was because it seems the authorities were not warned about his radical ideas about jihad and suicide bombing. Sorry Smith to rub your nose in it but it was there for you to read. Hate to say I told you so.
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arrestpaul
Don't you mean, "to hate suicide-bombing, murderous extremists who have no regard for human life"? You know, the individuals who have sworn to kill Christians, Muslims, Jews, the young and the old and anyone else who they believe stand in their way of converting the world to their version of radical islam.
Sweden thought they would be immune from radical islamic attacks because they were an open and tolerant society. Abdulwahab only saw that as a weakness that he could exploit and it would be easy to murder Westerners there.
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skipthesong
Abdulwahab only saw that as a weakness that he could exploit and it would be easy to murder Westerners there." Huh, that's a solid point. My question is if they have so much against the west, why move there?
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arrestpaul
Conquest. It's easier to undermine a country from the inside.
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skipthesong
Conquest. It's easier to undermine a country from the inside." I hear that a lot, but do you really think its at that point?
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elbudamexicano
Just watched the BBC this morning, his Muslim mentors did not really seem too scared by this guy, although they first said they had an argument and then they guy ran out of their mosque and they never saw him again. Maybe they should have called the police? Well, thank the gods only this fool died in his suicide mission and that he did not take down any innocent Swedes along with him.
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goddog
@skipthesong....I do not know why someone would want to move to a place they hate either, but he was taken there as a kid, so no choice.
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TimRussert
Here's a newsflash - "tolerance" of evil is not tolerance.
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WilliB
The typical pattern. A muslim resident gets radicalized by reading radical islamic teachings, and acts on them. After the fact, the non-radical muslim spokesman all declare that he is a misunderstander, and islamic teachings have nothing to do with it.
Until the next misunderstander appears.
Europe better get used to this.
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WilliB
hottomales:
His attention was not only to blow himself up (in which case we would not need to lose sleep over jihadist terrorism), but to blow up himself PLUS AS MANY OTHERS AS POSSIBLE. Maybe you missed that little aspect?
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hottomales
Match up the date of his net postings with peaks of American butchery in Fallujah. Remember it all started with shooting people for violating curfew.
Of course some people will try to use that to justify keeping people in the dark and suggest this failed attempt at terrorism would never have happened if only the U.S. military could butcher in a media blackout!
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TimRussert
Too radical, even for British Mohammedans ! That is really saying something.
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TimRussert
Someone is being less than totally honest about the dead suicide bomber.
His family claims Britain is where he became "radicalized."
Here is a paragraph from The Telegraph
Taimur Abdulwahab al-Abdaly showed little interest in religion as he was growing up in Sweden, channelling his energies into sport and partying. * *But after he began attending Bedfordshire University in Luton “everything changed” as he became a strict Muslim with increasingly extremist views, even naming his baby son Osama in honour of the al-Qaeda mastermind Osama bin Laden.
He named his kid after bin Laden - to show the haters !
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TimRussert
He makes no mention of Fallujah in his video send-off to his family. His rage was directed at Sweden allowing for free speech and the publication of a cartoon. Hottomale's own willful blackout of what the media has on this guy shows just who is in the dark...
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thetruthhurts
However, when they are I think it is perfectly acceptable not to wish to tolerate them and to even 'go out of your way' to not tolerate them. I think you are going out of your way to look for arguments where they do not exist.
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mikehuntez
We don't need to have the crime happen before suspecting people are out to no good. Especially when it involves these "Islamist" imbeciles. I guess the mosque didn't want to be called extremists if they didn't report this guy. They needed proof before reporting him. Wonder if they contacted police after he blew him self to bits.
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Mittsu
For all the talk on this topic, how to deal with an apparently intelligent and relatively Westernised individual who gets so offended by a cartoon that he seeks to kill others by blowing himself up?
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nandakandamanda
Often the most educated and intelligent people have an unbelievable great gaping hole in their system somewhere. Think of the doctors and scientists attracte to Aum Shinrikyo, and some of these other wacky groups out there.
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SolidariTea
Shut down the centers of hate speech where they meet each week and, since each and every violent Moslem group always includes the implementation of Sharia law among its demands, inform them that it has no place in Europe. But that means the socialists and the Left will also have to choose - do they side with the Moslem extremists or join the rest of us, something I believe they cannot abide.
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Nessie
He went way beyond something moderate, like proposing Sharia.
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nandakandamanda
You have to wonder though. Did he get too deeply into this and begin to regret his earlier enthusiasm? Were the forces locked in behind him too strong for him to go against? Had his own rhetoric committed him to a course of action that he could not back out of? Was the only possible way for him to express his doubt to trigger the bomb early and make it look like he flubbed it? Could he actually be a hidden hero?
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Madverts
willi, at least try not to sound gleeful.
Do you even realize you sound like the good Rev. Terry "Burn a Koran" Jones?
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skipthesong
how do we know that the radicals are wrong and the moderates are right about Islam?
Do you even realize you sound like the good Rev. Terry "Burn a Koran" Jones?" he didn't burn a koran and yet, the UK will not (I support the idea though) into the UK for spoken words, but yet, they'll let all these nuts cases in
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Madverts
Demented political correctness is the culprit.
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nandakandamanda
He was a Sunni, looking for a Sunni wife, and Wahab is in his name.
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elbudamexicano
These nut cases come around for a dime a dozen, so not just right to leave your guard down, complain about TSA at US airports etc..it takes just one nutcase to get on a plane undetected and kaboom!
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WilliB
elbudomexicano:
You mean he does not fit the standard profile for terrorists that e.g. El Al is using, instead of randomly groping assorted grandmothers and toddlers?
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Madverts
Well willi, you may have to wait for public anger to rise before you get your Internment Camps.
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