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WilliB
Obamas Afghanistan is going splendidly! How good to know that there is no problem with islam.
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bushlover
Funny the 'puritan' Taliban using such tainted money. Hypocrites anyone? These guys are nothing but terrorists for Afghans and allow terrorists for others to have a flop house. I'm proud of the troops there keeping them at bay. Too bad the Euros wouldn't actually do something a bit more meaningful over there.
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SushiSake3
WilliB - "Obamas Afghanistan is going splendidly! How good to know that there is no problem with islam."
It's not and no one said that.
Please try harder.
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WilliB
Bushlover:
"Terrorism" is only a tactic, not an ideology. You don´t get someone to blow himself up on behalf of "terrorism".
It is totally delusional to fight "terrorism" without addressing the underlying ideology, and throwing more money and Western lives at it is madness.
The Euros are doing the right thing by staying away; albeit probably for the wrong reason.
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SushiSake3
bushlover and co. are so far off the track it's hard to know where to start.
bushlover - "I'm proud of the troops there keeping them at bay."
I'm sure it's easy to say things like that when you're lying back comfortably in your padded armchair thousands of miles from the battle zone.
"Too bad the Euros wouldn't actually do something a bit more meaningful over there."
Why should they? It's not their war. I find it funny how you choose to ignore this fact. :-)
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sailwind
Sushi,
It is their war. NATO Article 5 was invoked for the first time in NATO's history Sept 12 2001.
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or **North America **shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
http://www.nato.int/terrorism/five.htm
It's their war also and they should do more then they are doing to help the U.S. right now.
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WilliB
Sailwind:
Hate to burst your bubble, but the Taliban have not attacked any Nato member in Europe or North America. They want to turn Afghanistan into a Shariah state, and last time I looked, Afghanistan is not a Nato member.
And spare us that tired soundbyte about OBL. If they want to address jihadism, they should right there in all the mosques and madarassas in their own backyards, where it is preached.
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Madverts
willi, you're obsessed. Every one of your posts relates to islam. You're as bad as the fundies themselves.
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Gombei424Canada
sushisake3:"I'm sure it's easy to say things like that when you're lying back comfortably in your padded armchair thousands of miles from the battle zone."
Double bingo!!Excellent posting from you,mon ami.I feel you are a kindred spirit here,and your posts help with the loneliness,which can be crushing,especially on week ends,even though this is the penultimate week day.
Way to keep after the warmongerers!And I am glad you didn't use LAYING instead of LYING!,a common mistake you probably correct YOUR students on at least once a week.
Afghanistan is a problem because bush,the worst president from the get-go ever, took his eye OFF the cue ball.
Yes, it really is too funny to see the few remaining bush loyalists here trying to defend the failed policies of the miserable failure, but then logic never really was their strong suit.As I roll around on the floor laughing,with my arse LITERALLY coming off, I think said loyalists will never understand that you and I can understand the USA better than most Americans(much of whom hardly have passports!), and of course better than the GOP-ists.
Well, we all know that Afghanistan will get better now that America has a true leader with high morals and eloquence, but if it all goes pear-shaped you can blame bush and the bush lovers of this world.
It's just too sad that unlike Ghandi and I they don't comprehend that war NEVER solves anything and it is harmful to birds and trees and other living things.
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SushiSake3
Sail - "It's their war also and they should do more then they are doing to help the U.S. right now."
Europe is very sensibly staying out of this mess.
Afghanistan was one of 2 countries recklessly invaded under bush and supported by millions of not particularly clued-up Americans who were baying for blood after 9-11.
Not even the might of Russia could win in Afghanistan in the 80s and just yesterday, your government's envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan said U.S. military forces had a feeble understanding of the Taliban and other militants they were fighting in Afghanistan and Pakistan’s tribal region.
"Washington doesn’t know the Taliban? The enemy U.S. troops have been fighting for more than eight years? How do you beat the enemy if you don’t even know them? Without knowing the mindset of the enemy how can the U.S. be so sure that adding more troops in Afghanistan and targeting militants in Pakistan with U.S. missile strikes from unmanned predator drones is not spawning more extremists? I don’t know the answers to these questions, but if U.S. military leaders don’t know the mindset of their enemy, then they don’t know the answers either and I just don’t find that very comforting."
Sail, it's no small wonder Europre and other nations are keeping out of this fight.
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SuperLib
I do get a kick out of it when I hear Europeans say they're going to go ahead and opt out of this war. Sorry, but when did radical Islam give them that option? Last I checked they're waging war on Europe whether Europe likes it or not....or chooses to get involved or not. What some Europeans are really saying is that they're choosing to not respond. As we speak (or type), Al Queda is making plans to kill Europeans in Europe and needless to say domestic radical Islam is 10 times the problem there than it is in the US or Canada.
Europeans are up to their neck in radical Islam and sinking fast. Perhaps the radicals just haven't gotten the memo that Europe intends to sit this one out? Or, then again, maybe they have... ;)
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teleprompter
Europe is indeed deeply involved in the fighting in Afghanistan:
90 percent of the heroin consumed by Europeans is from Afghanistan. Europe is by far their largest market.
Every time I read of or see a 'protest' march in London or Paris or Dublin I try and guess what percentage of the young and no-longer-young, benighted Lefties and 'pacifists' are or were users at one point. I reckon it is at least 20 percent. I figure well over 80 percent in the crowd vote for or support pols whose leniency on the issue of drug abuse also enables the Taliban and Al Qaeda. But yeah, it is cowboys in the White House and at the State Dept. who are like, you know, just totally creating more terrorists - and don't forget, man:every religion has its extremists.
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Madverts
"I try and guess what percentage of the young and no-longer-young, benighted Lefties and 'pacifists' are or were users at one point."
Then you shold perhaps spend more time addressing the challenges to your posts on here, instead of igniring them.
Heroin addiction is a un-stoppable and usually deadly freight-train. Thinking that your "20%" of users goes further to show that you have no idea what happens in Europe, despite continuous whining.
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SushiSake3
teleprompter - "Europe is indeed deeply involved in the fighting in Afghanistan."
It's comments like this that show ever too clearly just how little you know about the situation. Most Europeans countries are keeping thier troops out of the fight, and rightly so.
America invaded not 1 but 2 countries, and then when the cr*p hit the fan in Iraq - after protests were held worldwide - and in the States - to prevent America attacking Iraq, bush and co. didn't listen and now find themselves drowning in red ink and an ongoing disaster.
Ditto for Afghanistan.
It's clear as day that many GOP supporters - including most posting on this thread - don't understand that both these wars were wars of CHOICE.
America under bush unilaterally chose to go into these two countries. Now, America finds itself holding out the begging bowl to allies to come in and help.
Why should they?
bush has screwed America yet again.
On an endnote, you've gotta love this one from Superlib - "As we speak (or type), Al Queda is making plans to kill Europeans in Europe and needless to say domestic radical Islam is 10 times the problem there than it is in the US or Canada."
Pure bush - Fear, fear, fear, scream, hide under the blankets the terrorists are going to get you.
Most of the rest of us just get on with our lives.
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SuperLib
Notice how the word "Obama" doesn't appear anywhere in Sushi's post... ;)
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Madverts
"On an endnote, you've gotta love this one from Superlib - "As we speak (or type), Al Queda is making plans to kill Europeans in Europe and needless to say domestic radical Islam is 10 times the problem there than it is in the US or Canada." "
Not sure about Canada but he's right about the rest. There are far more muslims in Europe than in the US, and radical Islam isn't a problem that any of us can ignore, despite my stupor at those obsessed with Islam posting on JT.
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sailwind
Sushi
Hate to burst your bubble.
NATO’s main role in Afghanistan is to assist the Afghan Government in exercising and extending its authority and influence across the country, paving the way for reconstruction and effective governance. It does this predominately through its UN-mandated International Security Assistance Force.
http://www.nato.int/issues/afghanistan/index.html
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sailwind
My mistake..... My post was for WilliB, not Sushi.
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WilliB
Sailwind:
Firstly, that government barely controls Kabul. Secondly, that is the same government that has witten Shariah into Afghanistans constitution, including the death penalty for apostecy, the permission for marital rape, and the all the other niceties that Shariah is famous for.
NATO`s founders would be turning in their graves when hearing that NATO is now used to prop up one Shariah regime against other Shariah insurgents.
Thanks for illustrating the point.
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bushlover
[I'm sure it's easy to say things like that when you're lying back comfortably in your padded armchair thousands of miles from the battle zone.] I'm a lot closer to it than you'll ever dream of being matey. [Sail, it's no small wonder Europre and other nations are keeping out of this fight.] Yeah keeping out of the fight in other, more quiet parts of Afghanistan. When the shoe's on the other foot they sure wimp out forgetting the help they got in the 20th century twice.
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