Suicide bomber strikes restaurant in northern Iraq, killing 55

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likeitis at 12:09 PM JST - 14th December

There is a difference??????????????????????????????????????

No. Bin Laden is/was a suicide bomber. The dudes in Mumbai were not actually shot, they blew themselves up. Go back to sleep.

Nothing to do with poverty, ignorance, or the modern culture of the Middle East. Try again.

It does not need be their own poverty. It does not even need be real. Plenty have moved throughout history because of the poverty and oppression of others, real and imagined. And anyone who does what the Mumbai attackers did is obviously either ignorant or stupid, take your pick. The modern culture of the Middle East is not confined to the Middle East. It travels with the people. Also, there are the plain old naturally homicidal, like the boys from Columbine, or were they Muslims too?

And there are more reasons why people do this: a desire for fame or acceptance of certain people, the simple rage that many young men naturally feel, brainwashing, insanity, promises of money for their families (a weakness of the poor). Islam has simply been sqeezed into a grease to lubricate all these things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajmal_Amir

Read the guy's confession. He mentions a whole lot more than Allah and Islam. I would spell it out, but I am getting sick of this.

Some of the Islamic terrorists involved in the Mumbai attacks were from England.

Keep reading your righty blogs. You seem to thrive on misinformation, like the way your righty blog forgot to tell you that 550 tons of yellowcake was locked up by the IAEA after the Gulf War and Saddam kept his hands off it ie. he complied with restrictions.

There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that those guys were British, and plenty that they were from Pakistan. There were uncomfirmed reports that they were from Briton (your favorite kind as they fuel your conpiracy theory). Don't bother scratching the surface, because it might ruin the pretty worldview you feel compelled to cram into your head, the one that has a clear us and them where your violent fantasies can be entertained.

But I'm enjoying watching your efforts.

At least you are getting something out of all this. Perhaps if you were more dedicated to the truth rather than your own enjoyment you could back off of your overly simplisic Hollywood inspired worldview.
sailwind at 12:33 PM JST - 14th December

Perhaps if you were more dedicated to the truth rather than your own enjoyment you could back off of your overly simplisic Hollywood inspired worldview.

You need to pass that on to people like this and then look in the mirror.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=U9kOCxu0dvk&feature=related

I'll go back to sleep now.
likeitis at 12:57 PM JST - 14th December

You need to pass that on to people like this and then look in the mirror.

I could not see the video, but I think I can guess. I got no idea why I should have to look in the mirror after listening to a crazy cleric rant.

Again, I have to guess about what he said exactly, but my guess is that he represents all of Islam about as well as Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Jerry Falwell and Jeremiah Wright represent all of Christendom. I will give you that Islam has more such nutjob religious leaders, but you have to realize that they never went through the religious reforms and upheavals Christians did, and I hope to God that terror attacks like these will spark similar reforms and reflection in Islam. Islam desperately needs it.

Trouble is Middle Easterners could actually become a force in the world again instead of intellectual backwaters surviving off nothing but oil sales. There are a lot of people on our side of the fence who actually don't want that. They prefer to keep the Middle East down, and the resulting terrorism can be lived with more than the "danger" of a secure and powerful Middle East actually having a real place on the world stage.
WilliB at 01:36 PM JST - 14th December

Likeit is:

" But the reaction to poverty and oppression throught the ages has been extreme, and that is all over the globe. "

False statement, and easy to disprove. There is no correlation between suicide bombers and poverty. There is a clear correlation between suicide bombers and fundamentalist islam. (And if you take out the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, who also have perfect this art, it is practically a 100% one.)

All of the suide bombers are devout muslims, and if you watch their farewell messages, you will they always celebrate their coming entry to paradise and the marriage to their 72 virgins. q.e.d.
WilliB at 01:44 PM JST - 14th December

Like it is:

" a crazy cleric rant. Again, I have to guess about what he said exactly, but my guess is that he represents all of Islam about as well as Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Jerry Falwell and Jeremiah Wright represent all of Christendom. "

False statement. Muslim clerics like Ayatollha Khomeini and Yussuf al Quaradafi represent the highest authority in Shiite and Sunnis islam, respectively. And the they both advocate physical jihad.

Conversely, both Ahmediyya islam and Alevite Islam has renounced physical jihad. And there are no suidice bombers who are Ahmediyya or Alevite. Alas, both Shiites and Sunnis consider Ahmediyyas and Alevites as heretics. q.e.d.

NB: I recommend doing your homework before opining on the subject.
likeitis at 02:23 PM JST - 14th December

False statement, and easy to disprove. There is no correlation between suicide bombers and poverty.

That is not what the statement said though. Suicide bombing is a modern act. It was not done in the past largely because it was simply not possible. I was talking about extreme reaction to poverty throughout the ages, not specifically suicide bombing although I do think its a factor.

Extreme and even suicidal reactions to oppression and poverty have been happening throughout the ages, as have the murder of innocents. The combo using suicide belts is primarly a Middle Eastern thing, related to Islam because most people in the M.E. claim to be Muslim and because some have perverted Islam, which is not even fundamental Islam though they claim it is. In short it primarly a M.E. culture thing, facilitated by the twisting of Islam. (Maybe you can only fathom the shorthand of that statement?)

There is a clear correlation between suicide bombers and fundamentalist islam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bomber

Various scholars and analysts, however, dispute the claim that Muslim suicide bombers are driven by religion.

If you truly believe this is a fundamental Islam thing, then it must date back to the time of Mohammad, yes? Please name and date the first Islamic suicide bombing on innocents.

Or would you like to revise this to suicide attack? Again, I ask when was the first Islamic suicide attack on innocents or done with reckless disregard of innocents?

All of the suide bombers are devout muslims, and if you watch their farewell messages, you will they always celebrate their coming entry to paradise and the marriage to their 72 virgins. q.e.d.

No. They only think they are devout. They are mistaken. But I will say this: The mistake is too easy made, and this problem must be corrected by the real devout Muslims who need to denounce that mistake loud and clear. This thinking is a stain on the image of Islam, but not Islam itself. (Frankly, its other things that stain Islam itself. Yes, I do have problems with Islam. But I will continue to believe what I believe about the relation of Islam and suicide bombing until you quote the bits of the Koran that condone suicide bombing of innocents).

As for the relation of poverty, I cannot find anything to support or deny it. But as I am not saying it the only correlation or even the primary one, or even something to focus on directly to find a solution, so I see no reason to go on about it. Either link us to proof I am wrong or drop it.
WilliB at 02:45 PM JST - 14th December

Likeitis:

" If you truly believe this is a fundamental Islam thing, then it must date back to the time of Mohammad, yes? Please name and date the first Islamic suicide bombing on innocents. "

Bombings of course need bombs. The concept of islamic martyrdom goes right back to the beginning of islam. Very early on, Mohammed promised paradise for those who die in the process of fighting for Allah. This is firmly embedded in the Koran and the Haddith.

Again, those who opine about these things would be well advised to their homework first.
WilliB at 02:47 PM JST - 14th December

Likeitis:

" No. They only think they are devout. They are mistaken. "

No. They are devout. That you, an unbelievers, disagree with their religious interpretation, is completely irrelevant to the topic. By definition, the Shahids (islamic martyrs) go to paradise (which is not assured at all to believers in islam -- martyring yourself is seen as one sure-fire way to get there).

I recommend reading up on the subject before opining.
likeitis at 03:14 PM JST - 14th December

WilliB, quote the Koran please.
likeitis at 03:35 PM JST - 14th December

As for the relation of poverty, I cannot find anything to support or deny it.

Duh. Actually I did find something to support it.

likeitis at 07:33 PM JST - 13th December

But I am still not saying its THE one lone cause and that the solution is there.
WilliB at 03:46 PM JST - 14th December

Likeitis:

" quote the Koran please "

You know very well that if we go off-topic by quoting religious texts here, the moderators will quickly step in. So I will just refer you to this article by Sheik Abdullah Bin Muhammad, which lays out the jihadist cause pretty well. Remember, this is mainstream teaching: http://islamworld.net/docs/jihad.html

You will not find any similar reasoning in Catholicism, Buddhism, or Ahmediyya islam, for that matter.

So again, I really recommend doing your homework before opining.

Moderator: Readers, you are starting to go around in circles. Please make sure that all future posts focus on the story.
Helter_Skelter at 06:20 PM JST - 14th December

It does not need be their own poverty. It does not even need be real.

You're just making it up as you go along.

They prefer to keep the Middle East down

The ME has the largest oil reserves in the world. We are seeing a transfer of wealth of historic proportions from the West to these ME oil-producing nations. So how exactly are "they" keeping the ME down? What really keeps these nations down are their own despotic rulers and governments. Most of the wealth goes to a select few, while the rest of the population lives in poverty. Place the blame where blame is due.

your overly simplisic Hollywood inspired worldview

Usually the simplest explanation is the right one. You're the one chasing zebras.
likeitis at 06:25 PM JST - 14th December

You know very well that if we go off-topic by quoting religious texts here, the moderators will quickly step in.

What I know is that you cannot find amble justification for this suicide bombing on innocents in the Koran.

If you can quote the Koran in a way that can be used to explain how the bomber could be compelled to do this suicide bombing, I am sure it will be allowed. I have quoted the bible before.

Quoting a real Hadith might even be something, but I am not interested in the interpretation of a single Sheik. In fact, I have been saying that interpretions are the problem all along!

Quote the Koran, because I cannot prove non-existence.

Moderator: Readers, no more debate on the Koran please. Focus your comments on the story.
Helter_Skelter at 06:52 PM JST - 14th December

Quote the Koran, because I cannot prove non-existence.

I also posted Koran quotes, and they were deleted by the mods. But I have a better idea. Read the Koran yourself. You'll learn something about the topic you claim to know so much about.

Moderator: Readers, please focus your comments on the story.
likeitis at 05:23 PM JST - 18th December

You'll learn something about the topic you claim to know so much about.

I only claimed to know more than some, a certain some who cannot even post a passage number to defend their claims.

The big trouble with you lot is that you cannot differentiate between battlefields and marketplaces and soldiers and innocent people as written in the pages even to the links you post. That particular trouble with you is the same as with these suicide bombers who think they have some kind of justification for their indiscriminate attacks in the Koran.

It is truly too bad the moderator has let this go on so long but steps in right at the point the real proof is going to come out. (or not come out as it were because there is none for this misinterpretation of jihad.