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TheQuestion
White supremacists, or any supremacist for that matter, acting crazy...is that really a new trend?
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yabits
They should rip the Bush-Cheney sticker right off this guy's truck.
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amerijap
Count them in the group so called domestic terrorists- KKK, White Supremacists, anti-gay& abortion radicals, Earth Liberation Front, etc. They are all theory Nazis.
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JoeBigs
Nice to see the far right has not lost their hatred of our Constitution.
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Altria
Send him to Guantanamo!
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Helter_Skelter
BDS
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Taka313
First there was the right-wing minister who prayed publically for Pres. Obama's death and now this guy.
It seems of late that the uber-right is becoming increasingly unhinged. Not being in a position of authority seems to have brought out the "terrible twos" in them, which as an adult, can, and in this case, was, dangerous.
Sadly, I'm not surprised.
Taka
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timorborder
First of all, before everybody starts talking about this in terms of the existing political paradigm, let's be quite clear. These White Supremacists and other neo-fascist groups spit an ideological venom that is well beyond the established political spectrum within the United States. To link them with the far right of the GOP is ridiculous. All people of conviction in the US, whether they are supporters of the GOP or the Democratic Party should stand together in standing up to such nut jobs.
Now with regard to threatening members of the judiciary, in terms of severity it is a rather serious crime. While giving this chap his constitutional rights, if found guilty of these crimes in a court of law, this chap should be handled no differently that people such as Timothy McVeigh, etc. In other words, he should go down for life at least.
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JoeBigs
Actually Turner was a far right wing hack. He was a friend of none other than the poster boy for the far right, Sean Hannity. He also tried to win the Republican Party nomination for the New Jersey's 13th congressional district but lost.
Take a look at his bio.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner
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teleprompter
Thanks for the link, joebigs.Good to see you shooting down far Left smears against Republicans:
"In the 2000 US congress election, Turner sought, but did not receive, the Republican Party nomination for election to the United States Congress from New Jersey's 13th congressional district, losing to Theresa de Leon.[11][12] Turner has identified himself as the "Chairman of the Republican Party of Hudson County, NJ Corp," a group which has no connection to the official Hudson County Republican Party recognized by the state and national party. According to news reports, Hudson County Republican officials have stated that Turner's party is a "paper corporation with little or no membership".[13]
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skipthesong
I find this a little troubling. how many times have any of us yell "I'm going to kill you" before a fight, or other types of threatening words?
I didn't know you can get arrested for a mere threat especially one that is not spoken to one's face. “Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed.” seem hardly a threat but a statement. It, at least what's reported doesn't indicated that he is going to go out and do himself. How many here have stated they think Bush and Cheney need to be put to death? heck, I gather for those of us here for the last year or so are just as guilty.
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Everton2
arrest his ass! Lock him under jail
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skipthesong
figures everton2 would take that approach, being a supporter of Dr. Kamau Kambon.
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thundercat
teleprompter,
LOL! If you were to ask Turner his political affiliation what do you think his answer would be?
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JoeBigs
Good to see you "RIGHT" up their trying to protecting your party....LOL
So he was not a far right winger who was a friend of Sean Hannity? OH my, I must have gotten him mixed up with another Hal Turner from New Jersey. Hm wonders will never cease.
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teleprompter
So what if he was? Hannity does not hold office. But it often seems like you guys wish he or oReilly did.
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JoeBigs
OK so we have established that this Hal Turner is in fact the same Hal Turner that ran for office as a Republican. Now if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck is it a duck?
Accept it, you guys on the far right have some real winners. Now that is not saying the left does not have it's share of winners. But "RIGHT" now your loons are hitting the front pages and left is quiet...LOL
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SuperLib
It's that evil Republican gene that prompted him to do this. I think we should update registration forms to mental hospitals to include a check box asking if the patient has even been a member of the Republican Party.
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Taka313
Wow teleprompter,
Thank you for that, not even close to being on topic submission. It helps to further illustrate the hate.
Taka
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tkoind2
I don't get the supremacists. Germany lost two world wars in less than three decades time. Not only lost but completely lost. So where were the Arian supermen and women who should have been so vastly superior to the rest of us?
If history cannot teach these people a lesson in humility, a look around their membership should. The people who are most often drawn to these groups are among the most disfunctional and sociopathic in our society. They lack compassion, empathy and any sense of reality. The depend upon violence and weapons to even feel empowered. They are most often lost sheep led by angry leaders driven by self pity and an inexplicable sense that society owes them something. These are not the height of human society, but rather the refuse who are too blinded by dreams of Nazi pasts to see the pathetic reality of their movement and hopelessly inept membership.
Supremacists are weak minded sheep incapable of achieving anything but self destruction for themselves and tragic pain for others. When they make threats we should jail them. When they cause harm we should treat them as domestic terrorists. And we must work hard to educated people to avoid the spread of their hateful ideologies.
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adaydream
teleprompter you believe too much of what you post. Most lefties didn't even remember Bill Ayers and I've seen it more from repubicans then ever before and after the elections. Your fasination of Bill Ayers is more your personal thing, then it is a universal thing.
I'm not sure where I stand on this. I guess I would have to have more than just this article's information. There had to be more substantial and straight up information to arrest him. < :-)
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Taka313
And wait a minute, since we're going down the bill ayers rabbit hole.
When did ayers become a "mentor" to Pres. Obama?
Wow, has THAT one morphed into something spectacular.
From Snopes.com:
Although Obama's dismissing Ayers as "a guy who lives in my neighborhood" could fairly be considered a deliberate attempt to minimize or play down a more substantial acquaintanceship between the two men, the fact remains that they aren't (and never were) particularly close. Obama has denounced Ayers' violent radical activities (which took place when Obama was just a child),** Ayers didn't advise Obama on policy issues, the two were not close friends, and they have not remained in regular contact over the last several years:**
I email my mentor at least a couple of times a month. But that's just me.
Taka
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tkoind2
Raising Ayers is just a sign of desperation. There is nothing there teleprompter. Nothing. Get on with your life man.
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timorborder
Good post tkoind. Good to see somebody looking past the dogma and realizing who these clowns actually are and what they represent.
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LFRAgain
timorborder,
Nice post at 10:09 AM JST - 25th June. Couldn't have put it better myself.
But it bears repeating: This loon Hal Turner is hardly representative of the vast majority of Republicans in America, any more than Rush Limbaugh is. Turner appeals to a very small niche of hate-obsessed nutjobs with enough know-how and impetus to carry out most of the threats they make (think: Timothy McVeigh). Which is why groups like his find themselves on federal terrorism watch lists - and why they likely took his threat seriously enough to arrest him.
Legally speaking, the law is almost certainly on the side of federal prosecutors. Making a threat of physical violence against a person, either explicitly or implied, in order to influence that person’s actions, in this case, supporting a gun ban, constitutes a prosecutable death threat in most states in the Union, and most definitely at the Federal level. Make the victim a federal judge and you’re got a pretty good recipe for a sure conviction and a looooong jail term. Which sounds a lot like what this Turner creep deserves.
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Den Den
"deserve to be killed.” Hardly a murder threat. However, this is a fine example of what these pro-gun nuts are like. Take their guns away and they will hide under their beds.
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Madverts
Uh-hinged is far to polite a term, Taka. The froth, bile and threatening behviour is out of control.
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yabits
Nobody ever suggested that he represents the "vast majority" of Republicans. But when you've got a Republican president (Nixon) who, now on the record, has said that abortions are "necessary" to terminate a pregnancy between a black and a white; followed by the white supremacist, David Duke, who also chose to affiliate himself with the Republican Party -- and only then achieved success in a campaign for public office.
And this Hal Turner is now the latest. While his extreme views may not represent the overt mainstream, white supremacists were actively courted by the Republican Party via its "southern strategy," and are now stuck to the party like a tar baby.
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yabits
I'm originally from Michigan. Kalamazoo is staunch Republican/conservative/"libertarian" territory. (As is the area around Hayden Lake, Idaho.)
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LFRAgain
Yabit,
Respectfully, I'm referring to the "walks like a duck" comment, et al, that were certain to come. Just laying groundwork for a more focused thread, rather than the usual Dems vs. Repubs food fights that these discussions invariable turn into. These nuts attach themselves to parties that will get them most noticed, and there aren't much bigger parties than the Democrats or Republicans. Just because they vote Republican doesn't mean other Republicans reciprocate the favor by supporting their insanity.
Of course, it would be nice once in a while to hear someone significant the Republican Party call out these nuts in a very public and noticeable manner - something along the lines of, "Stop using the GOP as a springboard for your crazy racist crap."
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Taka313
LFRAgain,
The problem is that many in the GOP want to move the party in the direction of the loonies. Look at how the moderates within the party are treated.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/GOPpunishingmemberswhocrossparty0224.html
Taka
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yabits
Taka313 makes a good point: Supremacist thinking is essentially that to which there is no middle ground or compromise. Absolutist, in other words.
We find various strains of absolutist thinking on the Republican side. In fact, the more you see the world in terms of black/white instead of shades of gray, the more likely you gravitate towards the Republican Party of today. The party whose vice-Presidential candidate made the claim that it's the Republicans that represent the "real America."
We can view and dismiss this guy as simply a racist nutcase, but he was as adamantly absolutist on the issue for which he felt the need to threaten judges who didn't see things his way.
Rather than the GOP telling others not to use it as a springboard, it should examine itself to see how it is acting as flypaper.
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SuperLib
If we can stop Republicans then we can put an end to these senseless murders.
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TheQuestion
Wow, this artical went from, "He's a bad guy because he's a white supremacist." To, "He's evil because he's a republican." To, "Republican's are evil." In no time flat.
yabits, I'm an absolutist and I'm certainly not a republican! An action is either right or wrong, just or unjust, and legal or illegal no matter what context you put it in. For example, what this man did was wrong, unjust, but not illegal. He can have a restraining order filed against him but little to no actual disciplinary action (more than likely put on probation), free speech has two sides and both are protected.
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yabits
Wow, if that's what you got, I can understand how people can seduce themselves into thinking that actions are either right or wrong with no in between. Things are different in the real world.
No, the thread went as follows: "His white supremacy views make him an absolutist. The party he is attracted to is the Republican Party, and appears to have felt at home with them. Prominent Republicans appear to have accepted him, at least for awhile. Republicans need to look at themselves to see what it is that attracts people like this guy to them like moths to a flame."
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TheQuestion
How did you come to that conclusion? Absolutism is an ideology that certain actions are good or evil, regardless of the context of the act or that all statements are either absolutely true or absolutely false.
Anyway, I think you may be confusing rascism with the gun control debate.
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LFRAgain
Actually, TheQuestion, what this man did absolutely was illegal under most penal codes in the United States. Directly threatening as well as inciting others to murder another because of their legally protected right to express an opinion, in this case, to uphold a law outlawing handguns, constitutes a death threat. And as such, is punishable by law.
The thing about freedom of speech is that is comes with a long list of inconvenient, perhaps, but necessary obligations attached. One of those obligations is the responsible exercise of said rights.
Telling your fans that "These judges deserve to be killed” - no, not that they should simply die, say of natural causes, but rather to be killed, as in murdered, for a legal ruling, is a death threat. This guys needs to face the full force of the legal system for refusing to play by the very same rules that afforded him the luxury to blog at all.
Freedom isn't an absolute. You have to exercise that freedom responsibly. Suggesting people be murdered for a difference of opinion isn't freedom. It's anarchy.
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inkjet
party pooper.
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inkjet
i can't tell you how many times i read bush or cheney should be killed on websites over the last several years.
i don't think anyone should talk like this. i find it offensive. but i can tell you the left had a free ride against bush. the left can dish it out but they can't take it.
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yabits
The reason you can't tell is because the number is zero.
We're the ones who hold hands at prayer vigils and sing Kumbaya -- remember?
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inkjet
i wouldn't be surprised if you did it yourself. yeah who reads between the lines and has selective ethical outrage.
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