Syrian civil war spills over into Lebanon

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    NeverSubmit

    chemical weapons or lose control of them to militant groups.

    Agreed, worse case scenario is that the FSA Al Qaeda militant groups get their hands on chemical weapons. The FSA has already proven to be a ruthless organization with no respect for law and humanity.

    Here's a crazy thought, how about the West pressure Turkey and Qatar to stop channeling weapons to Al Qaeda so we can ensure that Al Qaeda doesn't get hold of these dangerous weapons.

    said the two men sympathized with the rebellion, but they were not fighters.

    So what exactly were these religious zealots doing visiting a war zone anyways, that point seems to have been overlooked in the article.

    Look at the picture of the rebel firing off his machine guy, wouldn't you want that guy stomping around your neighborhood without any deference to any law and authority.

    The jihadis rebels are criminals, plain and simple. They shoot and kill people at will and respect no law nor civil society.

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    slumdog

    Here's a crazy thought

    Here's a crazy thought, until you can show some credible evidence of 100% of the rebels being foreign and also members of al-Qaeda, perhaps you should stop claiming it.

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    Elbuda Mexicano

    If Lebanon falls too it will only get messier and bloodier!!

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    Elbuda Mexicano

    Jihad is a first name??

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    SuperLib

    Assad should not have started this mess.

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    tkoind2

    NeverSubmit. Every day you keep posting accusations about Jihadis and foreign soldiers in Syria, but you post no proof what so ever.

    I respect that you support the Syrian government. I am sure you have your reasons. But as an activist with many years of political experience, I support any citizenry who fight back against a government that represses their rights or uses violence to press their political agenda. It was the Syrian government that acted violently first. As Iran did following their elections.

    Human beings must be free to choose their leaders. Leaders must be humble enough to give up command when the majority of the population call for change. Assad should have helped usher in a new age for Syria and for her people by working with the people to make positive change. But like otehr tyrants he elected violence and repression. In my mind that entitles the people to fight against his rule.

    To me it sounds like you are trying to divert attention from the heart of the issue. And that is the repressive violent actions of the Syrian state against her own citizens. An unforgivable act in my opinion and one that will likely mean the end of Assad's rule no matter how this resolves itself. You should prepare yourself for that inevitability.

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    tkoind2

    I do wish that we could get the world 's people to define leadership as someone we allow to lead us with the blessing of our votes. They should be subject to a vote. And subject to recall if they fail us and the majority of people feel so and demand a recall vote. The future world does not need "dear leaders", kings, queens, dictators or military generalisimo presidents.

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    Tamarama

    It seems that these lebanese families are almost suggesting that the men were abducted and taken inside Syria and executed and made to appear that they are foreign fighters. Tripoli is coastal and quite far from the border.

    If that is true, it's a very disturbing turn from a seriously unhinged regime.

    tkoind2

    Every day you keep posting accusations about Jihadis and foreign soldiers in Syria, but you post no proof what so ever.

    That is something he has consistently avoided for months. He will always call your sources 'unreliable' or 'not credible', regardless of who they are, or what they are, but can offer no proof of his claims whatsoever. He ignores any request to do so. It's kind of fascinating to watch.

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    NeverSubmit

    Human beings must be free to choose their leaders

    There's nothing free about France imposing a leader on the Syrian people.

    Do you think the Syrians invited Al Qaeda into their neighborhoods. Who in Syria voted for or asked for armed men to barge into neighborhoods and start killing people. Who in Syria voted to have postal workers thrown off of buildings by rebel soldiers? Who in Syria asked for a Junior High School to be flattened by rebel mortars. Who in Syria voted for daily car bombs placed in civilian areas.

    Eight months ago it was trendy to deny the presence of foreign fighters in Syria. Now, it's mainstream news. If you still doubt it then it's you who's wearing a tinfoil hat, since almost every major newspaper in the world and several prominent global leaders have noted that the Syrian army is fighting against Al Qaeda.

    It seems that these lebanese families are almost suggesting that the men were abducted and taken inside Syria and executed and made to appear that they are foreign fighters. Tripoli is coastal and quite far from the border.

    Quite the far fetched theory. Occam's razor dictates that these ridiculous conspiracy theories that Assad deviously controls and plans everything and that every news event that is the favor of the Syrian viewpoint is actually staged personally by Assad, is ludicrous.

    Mr. "Jihad's" son went to Syria to fight a holy war for Allah in an attempt to subvert a secular government and replace it with a Sharia law state, but his son made the wrong bet and the Syrians showed Mr. Jihad what happens to invaders.

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    Madverts

    "There's nothing free about France imposing a leader on the Syrian people."

    Ah, the Never Submit narrative is changing again.....

    I want you to know I'm your friend on Facebook now, perhaps the others could give you a boost too:

    http://www.facebook.com/tinfoil.hatconsortium

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    Tamarama

    There's nothing free about France imposing a leader on the Syrian people.

    Seems strange that you would take exception to that whilst completely overlooking the fact that the Assad family has ruled Syria by force for 30 odd years? Why the double standard, pray tell?

    Quite the far fetched theory. Occam's razor dictates that these ridiculous conspiracy theories that Assad deviously controls and plans everything and that every news event that is the favor of the Syrian viewpoint is actually staged personally by Assad, is ludicrous.

    Take it up with AP, pal. I'm just interpreting what is clearly implied in the report. The same report you read and are also commenting on. It's all there. And hardly far fetched at all. Assad is killing Syrians. He may want the world to think he is only fighting and killing foreigners. So, go get some, kill them, and show them to the world. His regime has killed Lebanese before.

    No more far fetched than your claim that NATO were funding Al Qaida a few months back. Or Blackwater troops. Or.....

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    nandakandamanda

    It's just as possible that these 17 were killed inside Lebanon by Alawite forces in Tripoli and then dumped inside Syria.

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    Tamarama

    It's just as possible that these 17 were killed inside Lebanon by Alawite forces in Tripoli and then dumped inside Syria.

    Absolutely.

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    NeverSubmit

    Tamarama's conspiracy theory:

    It's just as possible that these 17 were killed inside Lebanon by Alawite forces in Tripoli and then dumped inside Syria.

    which clearly contradicts the basic information in the article.

    The Lebanese men killed in Syria were Sunni Muslims

    Note the "killed in Syria" point.

    So what was Mr. Jihad (and yes, that's his real name) doing in Syria? Especially since it was admitted that he's a fundamentalist Muslim and he hated the non-Islamic Syrian government.

    Two million Christians live in Syria and the current government provides them freedom of religion and worship. Apparently, Mr. Jihad from Lebanon had a problem with that and wanted to go kill some Christians and non-Sunni Muslims.

    He probably thought that it would a Turkey-shoot (pun intended) since weapons and ammo were being supplied courtesy of Turkey and Saudi Arabia and fighters are being offered over $100 US dollars a day in cold hard cash to fight against Syrian police and Army Units.

    I guess Mr. Jihad thought wrong. He entered Syria with an AK47 and Koran in hand and he left Syria in a body bag.

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    SuperLib

    Al Queda members need a payment of $100 a day to fight? That's surprising.

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    Tamarama

    NeverSubmit

    Jeez, you've made a real mess of this one.

    Firstly,

    It's just as possible that these 17 were killed inside Lebanon by Alawite forces in Tripoli and then dumped inside Syria.

    You've quoted nandakandamanda here, not me. A bad start.

    So what was Mr. Jihad (and yes, that's his real name) doing in Syria?

    Jihad is the dead man's older brother. He was not in Syria. The name Jihad, incidentally, does not mean war when used for baby names. Struggle, strive is closer to it's intended meaning.

    What you read;

    Especially since it was admitted that he's a fundamentalist Muslim and he hated the non-Islamic Syrian government.

    What is actually written;

    They said their brothers were not members of any political or Islamic group but were observant Muslims. two men sympathized with the rebellion, but they were not fighters.

    What's that? Three? Let's keep going;

    Apparently, Mr. Jihad from Lebanon had a problem with that and wanted to go kill some Christians and non-Sunni Muslims.

    Again, Mr Jihad Haj-Deeb is in Lebanon, but you have him confused for his little brother and your statement above is just your interpretation, with no facts to support it. Unless you have something to share?

    This is particularly sloppy, even by your standards.

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