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Kabul attack over; assailants dead

World Sep. 14, 2011 - 12:47PM JST ( 24 )

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SerranoSep. 14, 2011 - 07:54AM JST

This is the beginning of the end of music, kite flying and girls going to school.
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just-a-guySep. 14, 2011 - 09:56AM JST

Afghan forces have been plagued by desertions.........Didnt that was what the west hoping for in 1980s to screwup the soviets presesnts in that country? Now the west is paying the price of being 'stupid'!
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CptCrunchSep. 14, 2011 - 10:04AM JST

Its still hard to believe that the U.S. could do a sequel to Vietnam with so much approval from its people.

Brace yourself for the Fall of Kabul.
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WilliBSep. 14, 2011 - 10:26AM JST

Ah yes, Obamas "right war" in Afghanistan is going splendidly.

Do waste more money and western lifes on this. Hope and change...
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WilliBSep. 14, 2011 - 10:34AM JST

CptCrunch:

" Its still hard to believe that the U.S. could do a sequel to Vietnam with so much approval from its people. "

It is even worse than that. Imagine the US trying fight the Vietnam war while pretending that Communism is an "ideology of peace" and that the insurgency has nothing to do with Communism (no communists, only violent misunderstanders), and that communist regimes are really our friends, and while building communist indoctrination centers all over the country.

That is the equivalent of what Obama is trying in Afghanistan.... truly bizarre.
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AsagaoSep. 14, 2011 - 10:38AM JST

Time to admit defeat...and leave NOW!
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JapanGalSep. 14, 2011 - 11:35AM JST

raising fresh doubts about the Afghans’ ability to secure their nation

Wow...really?
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SerranoSep. 14, 2011 - 01:36PM JST

If the Afghan gov't can't handle the Taliban, Obama will order another surge, he's not going to allow the Taliban to regain control of Afghanistan on his watch. Or would he...
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Spidapig24Sep. 14, 2011 - 01:48PM JST

This definitely has a ring of the Vietnam war about it. First we have the invasion, then the US tries to pacify the population by using heavy handed tactics, then we have the training of the indigenous forces, then the attack on the embassy. So next we will have the loss of public support as the attacks increase followed by the hasty US withdrawal.

You would think they would have learnt from the first time around. The US sadly will not win this unwinnable war and the rest of the world will suffer for it through increased terrorism. As the US special envoy said in an interview l saw a while back, the US cannot afford to lose this war as the propaganda for the terrorists will be massive and lead to a dramatic increase in attacks and attempts against the US.

A no win situation here that nothing good can come from.
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AsagaoSep. 14, 2011 - 02:13PM JST

@Serrano. Actually, the Taliban were the legitimate govt until USA violently imposed a puppet govt on the people.
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SerranoSep. 14, 2011 - 02:27PM JST

@Asagao. Actually the Taliban were never elected in a free election, and seriously, how can a gov't that forbids music, kite flying and girls going to school be legitimate?
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southsakaiSep. 14, 2011 - 02:42PM JST

AsagaoSEP. 14, 2011 - 02:13PM JST @Serrano. Actually, the Taliban were the legitimate govt until USA violently imposed a puppet govt on the people.

Asagao too bad the Taliban are no longer in control of Afghanistan or I would have bought you a free holiday over there to experience the feeling :) Jokes aside though!

The Taliban came to govern Afghanistan by brunt force and terrorising every citizen of Afghanistan. Intimidation and fear was how they maintained control and power, no human rights, no right to free speech, no free elections, no democracy, no nothing.

As you post your comment here on this thread, you have an opinion and the right to free speech and you can write whatever you believe is right or wrong and we will respect your opinions.

See if the Taliban was running the show here, such actions would be forbidden.

I'm sure you get the picture!
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Spidapig24Sep. 14, 2011 - 02:49PM JST

Serrano

@Asagao. Actually the Taliban were never elected in a free election, and seriously, how can a gov't that forbids music, kite flying and girls going to school be legitimate?

And the Karzai government was elected in free elections? Initially the Karzai government was installed by the US as a puppet government. Yes there where elections later but given the number of accusations of vote rigging, and intimidation and fraud surrounding those elections where they really free elections (no doubt you will believe so). The current government is a corrupt government that if challenged calls the challenger a Taliban and disposes of them as an enemy so in reality is this current government any better than the previous? Yes you can fly a kite and listen to music and you wont get beheaded for breaking the law but they will chuck you in prison and torture you or simply make you disappear. They current government is there for one reason because it allows the US to be there and to make as much personal money as possible. So while the Taliban where bad and evil are the current rulers any better. Different operating styles same results.
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CptCrunchSep. 14, 2011 - 03:23PM JST

Spidapig24, the real difference is the Taliban is not as adept at propaganda.

Every time I read about Afghanistan and hear what people think, it never ceases to amaze me how they absolutely insist on beleiving feel good notions that are so not true.

The Taliban was only recognized as legit by three countries. But hey, the monarchy of Saudi Arabia was not elected either, but is recognized as the legit government.

I seriously doubt anyone supports the Taliban. I don't. I hate them. But non-acceptance of reality is often a bad thing.

Seems to me, the Taliban were at least initially praised for cracking down on opium for example. Now, suddenly, wiki accuses them of only trying to increase the price! Who is kidding who here? They reduced the opium acreage from 12, 600 acres to only 17! That can only kill the market! Even a stupid Talibani would realize that!

Propaganda won't kill the Taliban. Force of arms has not worked in ten years. This is just reality.
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VirtuosoSep. 14, 2011 - 07:04PM JST

The obvious solution is to partition Afghanistan. Give the west part to Iran and the east part to Pakistan, and let those two countries know the discomfort of hosting a population of illiterate opium growers who are armed to the teeth. They all deserve each other.
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WilliBSep. 14, 2011 - 09:20PM JST

Asagao:

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" Actually, the Taliban were the legitimate govt until USA violently imposed a puppet govt on the people. "

Actually, no. The Taliban were never the legitimate government of Afghanistan. When GWB intervened in Afghanistan first by supporting the Northern Alliance, the Northern Alliance was in fact the legitimate government (as recognized by the UN). Check it out yourself.

I am no supporter of the Afghanistan adventure by either GWB or Obama, but lets stay with the facts.
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WilliBSep. 14, 2011 - 09:23PM JST

Spidapig:

" This definitely has a ring of the Vietnam war about it. First we have the invasion, then the US tries to pacify the population by using heavy handed tactics, then we have the training of the indigenous forces, then the attack on the embassy. So next we will have the loss of public support as the attacks increase followed by the hasty US withdrawal. "

Actually, the romantic history tale that you present here describes neither Vietnam nor Afghanistan. So maybe you are saying they are similar because they are both totally different from your phantasy story?
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Christina O'NeillSep. 14, 2011 - 09:43PM JST

I understand there is an oil pipeline running from Iraq, through Afghanisan and then terminates in Turkish ports where it is then exported to refineries Was all this anything more then securing energy supplies?
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TheQuestionSep. 14, 2011 - 10:09PM JST

All things considered it was rather ineffectual. Suicide bombers sometimes kill dozens of people, these particular beasts shot a few police officers and civilians before being killed. It showed some glaring security problems to be sure but this kind of low intensity display won't do much aside from correcting some outdated guidelines about not checking women (the attackers were dressed as women to bypass checkpoints)

Was all this anything more then securing energy supplies?

Is there an active effort to divert that oil? No. Most of the pipelines go through Kazakhstan. Afghanistan is plays host to a few token lines but those have never faced anything but a passing threat before or after the invasion.
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AsagaoSep. 14, 2011 - 10:11PM JST

So you guys are saying that, any government that doesnt follow the Americans political system is invalid? Listen to yourselves? Jewish lobbyists in Kabul? Right wing neo-Christians in Kabul? Get real and realise that the human species is diverse, and any attempt to clone will only lead to? Macdonalds? genetically modified food, global warming?
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NolivingSep. 15, 2011 - 10:25AM JST

The US sadly will not win this unwinnable war and the rest of the world will suffer for it through increased terrorism.

Isn't that what people said about Iraq? Oh well, believe it or not but compared to this time last year attacks in Afghanistan are actually down 20%.
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WilliBSep. 15, 2011 - 03:59PM JST

Christina O´Neill:

" I understand there is an oil pipeline running from Iraq, through Afghanisan and then terminates in Turkish ports where it is then exported to refineries Was all this anything more then securing energy supplies? "

There is no oil pipeline through Afghanistan. And the idea of routing one from Iraq to Turkey via Afghanistan is absurd -- take a look at a map.

No, "this all" was about toppling a jihadist government, which then evolved into an open-ended and futile attempt at nation-building.
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WilliBSep. 15, 2011 - 04:03PM JST

Asagao:

" So you guys are saying that, any government that doesnt follow the Americans political system is invalid? "

Nobody said that, and I don´t don´t see how that outlandish claim is linked to the jihadist suicide attack in Kabul.
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RossBardJapanSep. 15, 2011 - 04:07PM JST

I have a question for the author of this statement -

I understand there is an oil pipeline running from Iraq, through Afghanisan and then terminates in Turkish ports where it is then exported to refineries Was all this anything more then securing energy supplies?

You believe in the existence of a pipeline which begins in Iraq and then goes through terrain as distant and difficult as what is found in Afghanistan (well east of Iraq) before making its way back (west) to Turkey? Who built this wonder? How does it remain free of sabotage? Do you realize that an entire country (Iran) lies between Iraq and Afghanistan?Do you have the slightest clue here?