Taliban militants kill up to 30 in bus attack in Afghanistan

Monday 20th October, 06:07 AM JST

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frontandcentre at 11:26 AM JST - 20th October

coulrophobic - I haven't seen too many posters banging the drum for the Taliban (or their Al Qaeda allies) recently. You do seem to have quite a vivid imagination, though.
CavemanLawyer at 02:04 PM JST - 20th October

Do European and North American Lefties still fetishize these violent nutjobs as 'freedom fighters'?

Who were calling them freedom fighters when the Soviets invaded? Who armed them? Looking back, should we have supported the Soviet invasion, or did we do the right thing by arming the Afghans including the Taliban?

I wonder if you realize that, while the Taliban is not my personal choice for ruling Afghanistan, they are Afghans, and it is their country.

I also wonder if you know who has supported the Taliban the most in their history? Why, our buddies the Pakistanis! And do you know who supported the Northern Alliance? Iran! Whodathunkit eh!

So, are the Northern Alliance guys the new freedom fighters then? Do you want me to go into their history?

If you ask me, there is no such thing as an Afghani freedom fighter. The country is a hotbed of war, and the only time Afghanis get together is when someone else got too much power. They all seem to love fighting, killing and raping the woman of Hazara. From the Greeks to the British to the Soviets and now us. Everybody who gets involved always regrets it.

We should have gotten bin Laden and then got the heck out. Getting involved in a civil war is always a bad idea. Getting involved in a country of perpetual civil war is just plain stoopid. The Afghanis are hopeless. The sooner we wash our hands of them the better. --Cirroc
SuperLib at 03:16 PM JST - 20th October

coulrophobic: Do European and North American Lefties still fetishize these violent nutjobs as 'freedom fighters'?

On threads where the US kills, the answer is yes. On threads where the Taliban kills, the answer is no. What's their real opinion? We'll probably never know.
SuperLib at 03:28 PM JST - 20th October

frontandcenter: I haven't seen too many posters banging the drum for the Taliban (or their Al Qaeda allies) recently.

Woah, pretty strong words of condemnation after the Taliban beheads a couple of dozen innocents. Ease down a bit....not healthy for your heart.

By the way, are these the same Taliban that Afghans run to after a US air strike? I seem to remember some people talking about that...hmmm....seems like a bit of an odd position now, ne?
CavemanLawyer at 04:14 PM JST - 20th October

Woah, pretty strong words of condemnation after the Taliban beheads a couple of dozen innocents.

How do you know they were innocents? Maybe that was a military bus just like the Taliban says.

While that does not justify beheading in either of our minds, the Northern Alliance, our buddies, has also done plenty of summary executions too, even of the elderly.

I hope for the day the Taliban is ground into dust, though I am not interested in being the instrument that does that. The trouble is that once the Taliban is gone, I will be hoping the mujahideen warlords of the Northern Alliance get ground down next.

The left is indifferent, because the left chooses sides based on integrity, whereas the right chooses sides based on things like birth, power, and who they were told to side with. The left hates all the warlords more than words can express, and attempting to express it accurately would be less than civil. Having to choose the best of two evils is nasty, filthy work, and the left rues to do it. And how can they condemn the Taliban without insulting our allies who do similar things? They keep their traps shut, because hypocrisy is repulsive to them.

Yes, lefties cease to move in a conundrum. We all know that. But the root of all violent human conflict is in those who act. --Cirroc
coulrophobic at 08:04 PM JST - 20th October

"The left is indifferent, because the left chooses sides based on integrity, whereas the right chooses sides based on things like birth, power, and who they were told to side with. The left hates all the warlords more than words can express, and attempting to express it accurately would be less than civil. " blah blah blah

Another bumper sticker on the Volvo.
SuperLib at 12:55 AM JST - 21st October

How do you know they were innocents? Maybe that was a military bus just like the Taliban says.

The only question left to ask is how deep your fingers are in both ears.

While that does not justify beheading in either of our minds, the Northern Alliance, our buddies, has also done plenty of summary executions too, even of the elderly.

If it makes you feel better to think about that instead of this story, then I suppose I can't stop you. But it doesn't mean this story goes away for everyone else.

I hope for the day the Taliban is ground into dust, though I am not interested in being the instrument that does that.

You're just here to endlessly criticize those who do while practically being a spokesperson for the enemy. In short, you're selling out your own kind to so you can walk around feeling like you're more of an enlightened person.

And how can they condemn the Taliban without insulting our allies who do similar things?

You're practically begging to condemn "our allies" even when the brutality of the Taliban is right in front of your face.

But the root of all violent human conflict is in those who act.

I'll buy you a nice mirror so you can watch yourself say that every morning if you want.
ca1ic0cat at 02:43 AM JST - 21st October

"The left is indifferent, because the left chooses sides based on integrity.."

Man what are you smoking? The major Afgan cash crop? There is a lot of room on both sides for atrocitites in war. NATO is going to try to stay within the bounds of the Geneva Convention but is not perfect. The Taliban are bound only by what they imagine god wants them to do. Which do you think has more integrity?

That has to be the most bigoted post I've even seen on JT.
CavemanLawyer at 01:32 PM JST - 21st October

Man what are you smoking? The major Afgan cash crop? There is a lot of room on both sides for atrocitites in war.

What are you smoking? You might want to quit so you can concentrate on the post in its entirety. I said the bolded part. Since the left choose on integrity, or tries to, it has difficulty picking a side here. --Cirroc
CavemanLawyer at 01:33 PM JST - 21st October

SuperLib, all that condemnation of me and supposition about me feelings and not one word to shed any light on the subject at all. Having fun? --Cirroc
CavemanLawyer at 01:38 PM JST - 21st October

Another bumper sticker on the Volvo.

Another rightie ignoring precious details judged to be "inconvenient". Heaven forbid you be robbed of an enemy to point fingers at. I think there enough real ones out there adding liberals to the list based on strawmen. --Cirroc
SuperLib at 10:17 PM JST - 21st October

Since the left choose on integrity, or tries to, it has difficulty picking a side here.

When a person only condemns on side and only makes excuses for the other I'm not sure you can really say he's undecided....
adaydream at 10:42 PM JST - 21st October

It's always so much easier to critisize another's posting and never suggest a solution.

The U. S. needs to help re-educate the Afghanis about what is good and to shun the Taliban and their theology. To assist the Afghani's in controlling the situation.

It's not going to stop over night. But we need to boost the troops in Afghanistan to a level to allow us to protect the people and give them a chance to start life and allow peace to flourish. < :-)
CavemanLawyer at 03:15 PM JST - 22nd October

When a person only condemns on side and only makes excuses for the other I'm not sure you can really say he's undecided....

I have neither condemned nor made excuses for a side. I have declared them to be much the same and shown how they are, and condemned them both. I know its confusing for those on the right to not rush to pick a side and come out punching for them, but please, do try and keep up. -- Cirroc
CavemanLawyer at 03:21 PM JST - 22nd October

we need to boost the troops in Afghanistan to a level to allow us to protect the people and give them a chance to start life and allow peace to flourish.

It beats the heck out of splitting our forces up and starting a conflict in another country for no good reason. I am still in favor of letting the Afghans go back to killing each other, as they have always done, while maintaining a policy of keeping an eye on them and bombing any terrorist training camps that pop up, such as that old softy Bill Clinton did. Who did tough guy Bush III hit until we got the 9/11 groin shot? --Cirroc