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Sen Edward Kennedy dies at 77

Wednesday 26th August, 02:49 PM JST

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Taka313 at 11:20 AM JST - 28th August

Heda,

These men are not honoring this woman, they are making her a martyr, without any consent from, or concern for, her family. I shudder to bring it up because I'm sure most of them will love the idea; but we're about 2 weeks away from one of these people demanding her body be exhumed to search for DNA evidence of further wrong doing.

If Ted Kennedy showed one ounce of remorse over Mary Jo Kopechne's death, he showed far more than the people perverting her name on these boards. I truly and honestly believe he did feel remorse, and a lot of it, which makes him better than these people.

To them, she's a hammer.

Taka
USARonin at 11:25 AM JST - 28th August

Taka, what's all this talk on threads about 'honor' with you.

For gosh sakes, lad, you live in cyberspace.

Anyhoo, how do you know what he felt? Are you aware of his past history of coverin' up his own crime and those rapes committed by his nephews and Lord knows who else in the family over the decades?

Next you'll be tellin' me what an ally he was to women's causes. Sick.
seijichuudo9sha at 11:33 AM JST - 28th August

Newsweek's Ed Klein gave a moving remembrance of the Liberal Lion on radio yesterday. He said that one of Ted Kennedy's charms was his great sense of humor.The late senator actually loved to hear and to tell Chappaquiddick jokes,and he was always eager to know if anyone had heard any new ones.I have the link:http://wamu.org/programs/dr/09/08/26.php#28408
Sarge at 12:24 PM JST - 28th August

With Ted Kennedy's passing, they'll probably "honor" him by naming the socialized health care bill they're going to ram through after him, the irony being that he would never have wanted TedCare inflicted upon him.
WhiteHawk at 01:31 AM JST - 29th August

taka313:

You know white hawk. I used to respect you, right up until Sen. Kennedy's death. I thought we disagreed but that you were a person of honor. I'll adjust my opinion downward.

Weeelllll, you could try proving me wrong. Or, failing that, admitting I'm right. That would be respectful.

Look, I have sympathy for his family. They've lost both Eunice and Ted, two people I'm sure they loved, within such a short time. It has to be rough on them. But does that mean that he deserves my respect? Sorry no, it's not an entitlement. As someone said earlier on this thread: And while yes I will admit that it's rather bad form to speak ill of the dead it is equally bad form to cannonize them when there are so many more deserving.

I'm not going to dance on his grave, but I'm not going to ignore that he was a fraud who abused political connections to get into power, remain there (including having state laws changed so a Republican governor couldn't pick his successor), and get away with destroying others. Does a person like that, who clearly didn't earn my respect while he was alive, suddenly deserve my respect just because he died? Not if it means I have to ignore that he was a fraud who never lived up to his stated ideals, and trivialize the death of a young woman.

seijichuudo9sha:

I guess the way it works is now it is Senator Robery Byrd who has to pick up and carry the torch,lead the fight for civil rights and sticking up for minorities.

You think it's still 1963 here?

taka313:

These men are not honoring this woman, they are making her a martyr,

We honor her more than Teddey Kennedy ever did. According to sejichuudo, Teddy liked to tell Chappaquiddick jokes. Oh yeah, that's really charming. Yeah, he "honored" her. A real class act there.
seijichuudo9sha at 11:48 AM JST - 29th August

Teddy Kennedy's death is troublesome also because he had THE best staffers in the Senate.When his party was in the minority he still worked important liberal provisions into bills,ensuring that real democracy still exists and the people are heard and have choice.But I don't worry.I think Patrick Kennedy will replace his father as the new senator from Massachusetts.
yabits at 08:16 PM JST - 29th August

Teddy liked to tell Chappaquiddick jokes. Oh yeah, that's really charming. Yeah, he "honored" her. A real class act there.

I never heard a Chappaquiddick joke that didn't have Ted as the butt of it. The National Lampoon VW ad was pretty darned funny.

Again we see the typical sanctimonious hypocrisy of the conservative on display. There is a very primal reason that people laugh at tragedy and at themselves, but it's conservatives who actually (and falsely) believe that they are above all that.
seijichuudo9sha at 08:25 PM JST - 29th August

yabits You make an excellent point.I think conservatives just don't get it.I heard some wingnut saying Democrats want the CIA operatives who waterboarded Sheik Khalid Mohammed sent to jail but the man who is responsible for Mary Jo Kopechne's drowning sent to the Senate.They keep trying to tie Kennedy's death and the events of his life to their agenda.It's all politics all the time with these people.
yabits at 09:13 PM JST - 29th August

They keep trying to tie Kennedy's death and the events of his life to their agenda.It's all politics all the time with these people.

As one blogger put it, you could have a Republican drive a fully loaded schoolbus full of children over a bridge and as long has he had a solid record of gutting the environment, being anti-gun-control, pro-tax-cut, pro-big business, he'd be totally forgiven.
Sarge at 09:37 PM JST - 29th August

I'm sure that's how some blogger put it, yabits.
seijichuudo9sha at 09:42 PM JST - 29th August

I don't see anything wrong with Kennedy joking about Chappaquiddick.He pled guilty to the crime he was guilty of.

But I was a little disturbed to find that in defending DEREGULATION (back in 1978) he once said this,in all seriousness:"The problems of our economy have occurred not as an outgrowth of laissez-faire, unbridled competition. They have occurred under the guidance of federal agencies, and under the umbrella of federal regulations."
Sarge at 09:43 PM JST - 29th August

"I don't see anything wrong with Kennedy joking about Chappaquiddick"

I do.
seijichuudo9sha at 09:43 PM JST - 29th August

Hey, yabits.I liked the blogger's quote.Can you pass the link?Thanks.
DenDon at 09:46 PM JST - 29th August

he committed at best manslaughter but got away with it because of his name. simple plain fact. not a hero.
zurcronium at 11:31 PM JST - 1st September

The Kennedy Healthcare reform act of 2009 will soon pass Congress and be signed by Obama. A fitting tribute to the man who was the greatest senator of his era.

As far as his personal life, all the wingers who are posting nonsense here should live through having two brothers assassinated in your family. One being the President and the other a future president. No, did not think you could relate.