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rjd_jr
Wow that is a LOT in one month.
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tkoind2
Texas is hell. I know, I've been there. Not shocking that a state that backwards would do something so inhumane in such volumes.
"“It can be difficult but this is something that is required of us,” he said."
What fine upstanding human being. I think Triblinka and Dachau guards had a similar point of view didn't they. "Hey I was just following orders." Murder is murder and I can only hope there is a hell, one worst than Texas already is, for these prison and government officials to go when it is time for them to pay for their inhumane crimes.
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Wolfpack
So what!
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CavemanLawyer
So what? So killing is wrong. If you start meddling with reasons for making it right, you actually justify some murders.
And real people have to perform the execution and facilitate it. Those people have to sleep at night.
Also you don't seem to realize that it costs more to execute someone than it does to keep them in jail for life.
And last but not least, mistakes happen. You can release people from jail, but you cannot reunite body and soul. Mistaken executions are final. --Cirroc
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ptolemy
I lived in Tyler for three years in the 80s. I can just hear some at the Smith County Court Square yelling, "Yee haw! Get a rope fellers." Texas compared to the rest of the USA has more institutional racism. The language there even is tinted with "The black part" of town. I think this shows in the prison populations. Most whites convicted of crimes are sent to the state prisons in Sherman or Pampa. The majority of African-americans and Hispanics are sent to Huntsville. There has been controvesy for years about this segregation in prison population.
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VOR
10 men or ten convicted murderers?
Capital punishment is reserved for the most heinous of crimes. I stand with all the victims families as they finally get some closure on their loved ones horrible and brutal deaths at the hands of those who deserve no sympathy from the society in which they contributed nothing but grief and pain.
May all ten rot in hell.
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skipthesong
“It is very difficult work, but this is where the work is needed, this is where the struggle is. " I said it before and I'll say it again, the struggle is prevent people from committing these crimes that put them there (or someone in their place) and then this issue is gone.
Why debate about the punishment but yet don't do a damn thing about enforcement?
In the US we got executions on one hand and very short sentences on the other for people who commit violent crimes. Of the people who killed my dad, only one served more than ten years - 11!
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tkoind2
ptolemy. Tyler is one of the places I have been. I'd rather have reservations in hell than live there though.
My cousins are black. When I was a kid I had bright blue eyes and sandy colored hair. Walking into a grocery store the clerks would treat me so well. Often going on about my eyes and smiling. But they treated my cousins like rodents.
I will never forget that. I have several races in my bloodstream and I take racism as an evil beyond contempt. Texas is a bastion of this evil and place I think may have been better let go in 1865, after helping the slave escape, than kept. Should be fenced off with that racist crowd to become the 3rd world nation it was meant to be.
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soldave
What is the point in mentioning their ethnicity? Will they mention their religion and skin colour too. "I knew those people who liked blue were dangerous..."
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SezWho2
I think this is notable only because Texas is so at odds with the rest of the country. Whether you support capital punishment or oppose it, something is going on in the state of Texas that is not going on elsewhere in the US.
I don't support capital punishment. However, if your criteria is that capital punishment deters crime, you can see that the murder rate in Texas is less than half of what it was prior to the reinstatement of capital punishment.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm
The same is also approximately true of Virginia. However, Virginia--which has a population slightly less than 1/3 of Texas's--has a lower murder rate and less than 1/4 the number of executions. This certainly suggests that there are other factors in play.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/vacrime.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ListofU.S.statesby_population
--or--
http://tinyurl.com/b6hbt
Certainly the case of New York, a state with no executions since 1976 suggests that murder rates can be lowered without resorting to capital punishment. The murder rate in New York is about 40% of 1976 rates and is about 70% of that of Texas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CapitalpunishmentintheUnited_States
--or--
http://tinyurl.com/4f4o4
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm
I seem to recall that Bush has said that he was satisfied that Texas had never executed an innocent man. (I don't know. I may be making that up.) I think it's the case that others are not so satisfied. And they're also not satisfied that that there is an absence of racial bias in capital sentencing.
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VOR
Funny how a thread about capital punishment always turns into talk about racism.
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techall
In Texas they execute murderers, the people living there know that. If you think the law is wrong, we have a way of changing it, start a petition, get it on the ballot and get a majority of the people living there to vote out capital punishment. Until then, don't go to Texas to commit murder.
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soldave
VOR - who has mentioned racism? I asked why rethnicity had been mentioned in the initial story but as far as I can read that is it, unless the mods have deleted some posts I didn't get around to reading.
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cleo
I wonder how many of the condemned men are mentally retarded, or had less than solid convictions, or lawyers who fell asleep in court?
As for capital punishment and racism - can anyone tell me why the 'offender information' put out by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice includes 'race of offender' and 'race and gender of victim'? What possible relevance does it have?
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/offendersondrow.htm
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techall
cleo:
In the United States they have this rediculous category of "Hate Crime". If you kill someone of another ethnicity, it can be worse than if you killed someone that same color as you. I figure if you kill somebody you must have hated them at the time you killed them regardless of their race.
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cleo
It could be that the killer is indifferent to his victim. Or sufficiently retarded to be unable to comprehend what killing means.
President Obama would do well to make one of his first initiatives the removal of the 'race' column from all official documents. Followed by tackling the problem of hordes of people roaming the streets with little to no education under their belt, unfit for even dead-end jobs.
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CavemanLawyer
Even the mentally retarded one whose court appointed attorney slept most of the trial? Yeah, it happens. Even to people who actually did not do the crime. You know what happens when the wrong man is executed? Case closed, and the real killer walks free.
Or even be falsely accused! Basically, just don't go to Texas. --Cirroc
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SuperLib
You tend to undercut your own credibility regarding racism in Texas when you use the same narrow-minded tactics that the racists themselves use.
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coulrophobic
"President Obama would do well to make one of his first initiatives the removal of the 'race' column from all official documents"
You have no idea how humorous that is to American eyes.
Yeah, the Affirmative Action President himself is gonna smash the scaffolding that got him to the top. LOL. Made my day.
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techall
See, capital punishment works as a deterrent!
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cleo
How did noting the 'race' of an offender on death row, or of his victim, provide scaffolding to help mixed-race Obama get to the top?
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techall
cleo:
You said "removal of the 'race' column from all official documents". As coulrophobic said, that would elminiate all affermative action programs as weel as "set asaids" for all government contracts.
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SuperLib
Race is often used to explain things that are sometimes a result of economic status...not skin color.
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cleo
And that would be bad because ...?
At the same time they could do something about ensuring that everyone gets a decent education. I see lots of high school dropouts and worse on the Texas Death Row list. Far too many with a final education level of Grade 6 or 8, one man who only got as far as Grade 3! How did affirmative action help them?
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Badsey
everything is bigger in Texas, -and they like it that way. Now they want to compete against Japan on death warrants. -These are obviously competitive people and I wish them luck.
I do believe redemption thru harsh labor is better though. Good for the soul.
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