Top U.S. general meets Afghan tribes, says he's studying Koran
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northlondon
Yeah and I'm reading a book about open-heart surgery but that doesn't qualify me to attend this years heart surgeons conference.
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sailwind
At least you would be able to understand what the heck they were talking and could actually understand a lot of the conversation that was going on, and what was important to them. Or you could not read a book, know nothing about the subject and just sit in a corner.
I'd prefer to be the person that made the attempt to understand the participants in the conference and not the guy in the corner myself.
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WilliB
I hope he does study the Koran and learns what it says about him and the rest of us worthless kuffars who will rot in hell.
Alas, this is just more more stupid brown-nosing. Of course he doesn´t study the Koran; otherwise he would quit his job and stop wasting Western lifes on this idiot mission impossible.
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wanderlust
The Taliban will no doubt soon claim that the translated version is not the same as the Arabic Koran, and so does not count... Give the general credit for trying though!
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WilliB
Wanderlust:
The Taliban speak Urdu or Pashto, not Arabic. It is doubtful that many of them know more Arabic than the Koran suras they learn by heart. That is why Afghanistan Koran editions are typically printed side by side in Arabic and Urdu. And no, the virulent content of the book does not change in translation.
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rajakumar
Gen David just need to chant names of God,as many hours as possible to get more spiritual in afghanistan. 2 hours a day will be good and fast a month a year. More visits to mosque,also good.
Be as spiritual and merciful as possible. Everyone in afghanistan,must be pushed up and treated fairly even taliban afghans.
Kabul/kandahar city cures,are still in infancy of spiritual assistance and economic assistance improvements.
Reading koran also good,but must 2 hours a day or 2 hours chanting names of god. US,EU and UN can bring out the future shine of Kabul,Kandahar and Helmand,if they up spirituality in efforts.
Give more than you take policy ,is good policy for afghanistan.
Helping in keeping wheat prices as low as possble,for afghans ,may be good policy to push. Wheat charity for afghans also may be good moves for future.
More UN food aid may also be ,very good for afghanistan. Any policy that gives more than you take, is a winning hearts policy ,for better future for all.
There is need of change of hearts via winning hearts sunshine policy.
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WilliB
rajakumar:
Sure, chanting suras that call for the death and murder of kuffars like him for 2 hours every day will certainy convince the good general of the wonders of the koran.
Again, of course he is clueless about the religion of peace. This is ridiculous brown-nosing at its worst.
How about suggesting to the Taliban that they study the Bible, or the Lotus Sutra? Oops, Shariah has the death penalty for that. Politicial correctnets hits reality...
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Madverts
"This is ridiculous brown-nosing at its worst."
I say it is attempts at building bridges and commend this kind attitude, rather than your own, which constitutes inciting hate a spurious ridiculous comments.
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timorborder
What happens if the good general goes native and converts?
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Madverts
"What happens if the good general goes native and converts?"
He get's a tent, a beard and goats to sleep with.
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timorborder
And the taliwackers, sorry Taliban get a professional military commander. God forbid!!
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SuperLib
Sounds good to me.
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buddha4brains
And you know this because ... you studied the koran so you know what you are talking about?
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WilliB
buddha4brains:
Yes, I did. And it would be a idea if you did too. Reading the Koran (in historical order), the Sira and the Haddiths, plus interpretations by muslim scholars is truly an eye-opening experience.
Which is why it is obvious that the good general has not done this. Maybe some aide fed him some selected suras out of context. But study the thing? No way. If had done that, he would know where it puts him.
His brown-nosing the jihadis in the naive belief that that would earn him sympathy is naive beyond belief.
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WilliB
madverts:
OK. Build a bridge with this:
"The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe." (8:55)
"When you meet unbelievers, behead them until you have made much slaughter among them" (47:4).
"The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly." (5:33)
Now, after you, the unbeliever have studied that, what do you say to your new friends?
"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush." (Surah 9:5)
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Madverts
Great. So you took some verses from the koran that suit your agenda.
Brilliant.
Am I supposed to post crap from the old testament that is simlar, or should I just keep laughing?
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WilliB
Madverts:
Not my agenda. The verses I quoted are relevant and are taken literally. And there plenty of them in the book, increasingly so in the later parts.
Whatever you pick from the Old Testament would be relevant if there were Christians jihadists who wanted to subdue the world under old testamentarian law. There aren´t, and isn´t such a law. Save your strawman.
When the good general tries to brown-nose the sheiks with his Koranic study, their obvious question will be: Does he convert, or not? If not, he reads the holy book and remains a stinking kuffar, he is committing another deadly sin, since as a stinking unbelievers he is not even supposed to touch the thing.
This is so naive, it would be funny if it wasn´t so sad.
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Madverts
willi, you keep rattling on abotu shaira law in Europe. It's rubbish.
You've even tried to tie Al-Qaida to pirates off Somalia. It's rubbish.
You've refused to even consider palusible reasons why a "Top US general" might be studying the koran.
I'll just keep laughing for now mate.
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Madverts
"Whatever you pick from the Old Testament would be relevant if there were Christians jihadists who wanted to subdue the world under old testamentarian law."
That's rubbish too. Maybe you should read it instead of obsessing about islam.
Heh, for one, it really 'aint worth the trouble.
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WilliB
Madverts,
oh, I quite understand the "plausible reasons" why a US general might be studying the Koran. And as I said, he should study the thing, it would open his eyes. It would open yours too, if you cared to inform yourself before spouting.
What I don´t believe is that he did. Again, this obviouls brown-nosing, in line with the Potus policy, and it is shamefully naive.
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Smythe
On of the best posts is that of timorborder in my mind for it is my thinking as well, but then others have put out good reasons as to why this is WRONG.
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skipthesong
As long as he is there, I don't see a problem studying the Koran, however, if he gets too involved in it and brings it back and becomes some sort of holy roller, then that's a problem.
Apologizing for mistakes there is not an issue with me either, however, Muslims demanding apologies for their expulsion from Spain is.....
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TokyoHustla
I prefer to be right there in the middle, having no clue what I'm talking about but being large and in charge, dictating to the quaking beta-males as I intimidate them.
It's about intimidation, not knowledge. Make them shake, and you can bake.
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TokyoHustla
Al Quaida has continually taken credit for acts of piracy off the coast of Somalia. They are funding the pirates and in return, the pirates turn over weapons cargo from seized ships.
Wake up.
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WilliB
Skipthesong:
You mean he´d convert. Because as a non-muslim, one can not read all the virulent hatred against us in the book and be anything but scared and disgusted. That is why the sight of the good general saying this to them must look so totally outlandish to the Afghan sheiks: A stinking kuffar aggreeing with the all things the book says about him --- and still remaining a kuffar? Imagine a Jew praising Mein Kampf to a group of Nazis. That would be the equivalent. Totally insane.
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likeitis
WilliB: "When you meet unbelievers, behead them until you have made much slaughter among them" (47:4).
All take note of the most underhanded tactics of WilliB in his jihad against Islam. Do you see that at the end of the quote, there is no period? Well, that would be because he did not finish the sentence, let alone quote the whole verse. When someone is so hell-bent that he not only has to discard long verses, but to actually cut sentences in half, then HUGE red flags should be going up in your mind.
All of Surah 47:4 can be found here: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/47/index.htm
There you will kindly note that it is not when you meet them for dinner, but rather when you meet them in battle, and NO, there is nothing about meeting them in battle just because they are unbelievers, but rather, should you happen to meet them in battle for some undefined reason.
If WilliB, distorter of distorters, had included the rest of the sentence, you would see that the order is not to behead every last one of them, but rather to behead until the battle is won, and then to OF COURSE stop beheading.
The cherry on top of the COMPLETE VERSE is the clearly spelled out fact that Allah does NOT need mere men to punish ANYONE, but could do it all by himself. Thus, ordinary Muslims are NOT being called to punish nonbelievers every minute of their lives, but only to treat them harshly in war within the context of war and to stop the second the war is over. As if Christians are instructed to give their enemies chocolates and kisses during wartime.
As ever, picking apart the lies and misdirection of completely dishonest posters takes far more time and space than it does for said posters to spread their bile. And so I am not going to post the problems with the rest of the "so-called quotes". Do a search yourself. Find his lies for yourself. I just hope my post illustrates to you clearly how completely dishonest this guy is.
Also, note that WilliB could be Osama bin Laden himself, because, no doubt, bin Laden is spreading the exact same lies and contortions of Islam to suit his purposes.
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smithinjapan
northlondon: Still gives you a better understand of what it is, why it's and how it's done, and in general instills you with a little more knowledge.
I think this is excellent, and good of the general (and brave to admit given the irrational hatred and fear people feel towards Islam). There is nothing wrong with reading and learning about the religion -- in fact, if it decreases the misperceptions about it, all the better. Anyone who thinks that simply picking up the Koran -- or doing anything beyond urinating on it as some US troops did to 'torture' AQ members -- is tantamount to joining AQ or the Taliban is simply a dolt, and nothing else.
If it helps comfort the paranoid, they can just tell themselves he is following the edict, "Know thine enemy". It would be a shame if that's the only reason he's checking it out, but again.
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teleprompter
LOL. Look at the multi-culti crowd spin. All you have to do is examine the life of Islam's founder. Were he alive today in any civilized nation he would be in jail.
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likeitis
The trouble is people like WilliB, who claim to have studied it, when actually all he did was tear it apart willfully looking for things to distort in order to defame the religion.
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likeitis
So would Abraham and whole lot of old Testament characters. I find Islam no more or less troublesome than the old Testament, the solitary holy book of the Jews and the base of Christianity.
This is not spin. It is the observation of a cold eye. It is the observation of someone who is taking things in their entirety, and not splicing them up to suit a purpose.
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