Iraqi police say truck bombing has al-Qaida signature
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pathat
**Truck bomb kills more than 70 in northern Iraq **
The surge in violence will continue as American forces are withdrawn to Afghanistan, Pakistan and others.
The competing groups have been regrouping and biding their time til most of the Americans hightail it out of the country over the next year or two.
What group will dominate Iraq in the next decade? And who will be the next Saddam Hussein to lead them?
Hundreds of billions of dollars down the drain, thousands of lives lost on the American side, tens of thousands of Iraqis killed...for what?
WMDs? Saddam connection to Al-Qaeda and 9/11? Saddam tried to kill 43's daddy? The scramble for oil? A rollback of the so-called Islamofascists? A benevolent bestowal of American-style peace, freedom, and democracy for the Iraqi people?
What a sick joke this has all been, aided and abetted by the rinky-dink American electoral system in 2000, and the brain-dead majority of the electorate in 2004.
Sickening. And now as Bush's Iraq War enters its final years, Obama's expands in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Passages from "The Quiet American" keep popping into my mind.
What a terrible shame about the many who died in this attack.
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Den Den
pathat, you are so right, but our forces won't withdraw from these invaded countries, they expand to Iran and more. Also, not tens of thousands of Iraqis have lost lives, hundreds of thousands have. Don't forget depleted uranium and malnutrition, silent killers that will remain for years.
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teleprompter
denden - Great Britain has already pulled out.
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teleprompter
How traumatic.
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nandakandamanda
Disgusting ethno-religious killing. Sunni Al Qaida think they have some kind of superiority? They just proved the opposite. The people behind this act of genocide have a one-way ticket to hell.
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SushiSake3
tele - "How traumatic."
you supported the invasion.
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SuperLib
I'm sure he supported the invasion but not the violence after, kind of like how people supported keeping Saddam in power but didn't support all of his violence.
Seems fair to me.
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Madverts
"Seems fair to me"
Hey, if you can live with your own bodycount being equal to that of a brutal dictator then you've a harder shell than myself!
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teleprompter
Come on - think.
I'm an "Islamophobe." Remember?
What I supported was US victory over the Iraqi Republican Guard (achieved); the deposal of the genocidal dictator Saddam Hussein (achieved); regime change (achieved); and laying the groundwork for an attempt - noble I still believe - at offering the Iraqis some chance at self-determination (you can call it democracy if u want) and a fair shot at the epochal but possibly fleeting opportunities offered by "globalization", something which surely the Brits here have to admit - when discussing former colonies and protectorates - should hardly be limited to India. Right?
We have been over this a hundred times. The president, the Congress and the American public sent our military to war. The president had overwhelming support for the decision. I can believe a lot of things about Dumbya but that he hoodwinked the Senate and talked the public into an "unjust and illegal war - to steal all a duh oil!" is not one of them.
Once that decision was made to send in US troops I was behind it completely.As I have also pointed out here before the military is the most respected institution in the country. (It also the most "color-blind" ,a fact which I notice is never brought up on the disproportionately large number of threads in the World section focusing exclusively on "racism in America.") I believe it is in the best interests of the US - and by extension the free world - that the almost sacred bond of trust between the American people and our men and women in uniform be as strong as possible.
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Madverts
"The president, the Congress and the American public sent our military to war. The president had overwhelming support for the decision."
After the government created a climate of fear, mostly through bold-faced lies, back when people like yourself were completely depleting New Yorks' stocks of chemical suits and duct taping your windows.
"We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud over New York City" - Geroge W Bush
The closest we got to the above quote was a collection of Inox nuts and bolts that had been buried in a back garden for ten years.
Some people I'll admit supported the invasion for noble reasons. They are the one's that have the courage to admit they were lied to for ulterior motives, but hoped to see huanitarian benefit come from the back-up "justification" after the "WMD" scare-mongering failed to convince a whole lot of people.
Moderator: Readers, please stay on topic. Do not rehash the tired old arguments about whether or not Saddam had WMDs, what life in Iraq was like under Saddam and so on. They are not relevant. Please discuss what is in the story.
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SushiSake3
Superlib - "I'm sure he supported the invasion but not the violence after"
That's the height of irresponsibility.
That's like saying you want to get married to a person but you don't want to be held responsible if anything goes wrong, even if it's your fault.
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Madverts
sushi - I disagree with 99% of everything with Superlib in regards to the invasion of Iraq.
Still, he is one of the few posters that I believe genuinely supported the invasion for humanitarian reasons, in the storming into other counties and telling 'em how to live way, as only idealistic Americans can do. He's stuck to his guns over the years and I'll back him up on that.
Big.
Difference.
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teleprompter
Wow - looks like certain developments in Iran have the anti-liberation crowd really worried...
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nandakandamanda
This is great. Al Qaida can set off a bomb, and get Westerners arguing about legitimacy of past actions. Every single time. Rhetoric forever! "Bush"... "Lefties"... "WMD"... "Righties", "Obama"! Within seconds, we all plunge into accusations, forgetting the pain and suffering of the victims. "Hehehehe, this is easy. Let's set off another ..." has to be the rallying cry of Al Qaida's political masters.
"Drive the Americans out, but make them suffer first, and then we take over. Our agenda has never changed. Even Saddam Hussein was afraid of our influence."
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Informed
Al-Qaida = CIA
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nandakandamanda
Informed. Do you really believe that the CIA would do domething like that? I really, really hope and pray that you are wrong.
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Sarge
Informed: "Al-Qaida = CIA"
That is one mis-informed statement.
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SuperLib
...or it's kind of like keeping a dictator in power and pretending there are no consequences....
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Informed
Al-Qaida = CIA 911 = Inside Job
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Sarge
"al-Qaida"
What a bunch of deranged psychos.
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Den Den
Documented civilian deaths from violence since the invasion...92,392 – 100,867.
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JoeBigs
Glad to see the crack trained Iraqi police force is doing real well.....I wonder if this would have happened under a Saddam regime?
Oh wait, he is dead and we are trying to get out of this Republican mess......BTW I am still waiting to see the Iraqis throwing flowers as Cheney once said!LOL
Cheney, a true visionary!LOL
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