Trump accuses Cruz of fraud in Iowa caucuses; Rand Paul out

(snort) So the complaint is that Cruz's team told Carson voters that Carson was going to drop out - then the Carson voters supposedly then voted for... Cruz rather than Trump. Carson STILL got 9.3% of the vote, so the Cruz workers couldn't have been very persuasive. Trump's grasping at straws because he can no longer claim he's a "winner" and everyone else is "losers".

He never caught on with voters beyond the small group of libertarian-leaning Republicans

He should've threw in the towel a long before, Rand Paul did terribly in Iowa. I knew it!

Chris Christe said Trump needs to admit he lost.

a Trump tweet on Wednesday accused the Cruz campaign of telling Iowa voters that Ben Carson was quitting the race so he could steal Carson votes.

I can't stand Trump, but he has a good point here. Cruz and Carson are the two top evangelicals, so Carson leaving the race would mean a significant number of new votes for Cruz.

Cruz's team spreading a false rumor that Carson should certainly constitute election fraud. That was definitely crossing the line in a GOP race where many lines have already been crossed.

Trump goes from winning, to whining.

Loser.

accused Ted Cruz of fraud

I don't know about fraud, but he out and out lied with his recent comments that the Australian gun (rifle mainly) buyback scheme led to a dramatic increase in rape in that country because women could not defend themselves.

He never stepped back from or retracted those remarks and to many Americans it became the truth.

Is that fraud or deceit?

Or is that just the " anything to win" mentality?

Now Carson--and every voter who is paying attention--knows why everyone who has worked with Cruz can't stand him. He's a nasty, manipulative, egotistical and deceitful politician who successfully played the irrational evangelicals in Iowa, but hopefully the rest of America is smarter than that.

Cruz came up with a term for the "fits" that The Donald throws every so often. He called them "Trumpertantrums" ! Good one, Ted !

Polls show well over half of Republican voters have yet to make up their minds.

Yeah, well, not entirely true. From the same polls we know over half of Republicans find Trump as odious as the rest of us find him.

Make no mistake: the posters here who defend Trump are fringe, uneducated, nativist wing and un-American.

He wants a do-over? Is he in kindergarten? Next he'll be calling no tagbacks and accusing Cruz of having cooties.

Is he in kindergarten?

Let us just say he knows his constituency...

I actually liked Rand Paul. Too bad he's not more popular.

What a lovely group of people on the GOP side.

Cruz is a slimeball who will do and say anything to win. Innuendo about Carson is simply added to equally slimy innuendo that voters are being watched. http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/ted-cruzs-iowa-mailers-are-more-fraudulent-than-everyone-thinks

FernGullyFEB. 04, 2016 - 08:37AM JST I actually liked Rand Paul. Too bad he's not more popular.

Rand Paul is easy to like. The problem is his ties to Libertarianism. In a party whose DNA was built on slow, careful deliberation and opposition to dangerous changes like communist revolution, Libertarianism is radical, untested social experimentation. There has never been even a single successful modern libertarian state. So that means all of his principles are not based on rational experimentation or careful observation of social trends, but casual speculation and wishful thinking. The very group he's trying to appeal to - young college students - is the very group most likely to see through that kind of malarkey.

Too bad about Rand Paul - he was the sanest member of the clown show.

Poor Carson. That was really hitting below the belt bad scummy politics.

Other media quoted Carson as saying he wanted to go back to Florida to change clothes, which must be hard to get in IA.

The Carson stuff is minor compared to the voter violation mailings that could still result in criminal charges against the Cruz campaign. Betcha he doesn't risk sending those out anymore.

What a lovely group of people on the GOP side.

Beats having candidates that lie or brag about stealing other people's money.

Too bad about Rand Paul - he was the sanest member of the clown show.

ROFL

The problem is his ties to Libertarianism. In a party whose DNA was built on slow, careful deliberation and opposition to dangerous changes like communist revolution, Libertarianism is radical, untested social experimentation. There has never been even a single successful modern libertarian state. So that means all of his principles are not based on rational experimentation or careful observation of social trends, but casual speculation and wishful thinking. The very group he's trying to appeal to - young college students - is the very group most likely to see through that kind of malarkey

BINGO!

CNN didn't report accurately and eluded Carson was not continuing. The Cruz Crew picked it up and used it to his advantage.

Trump will fade as I said months ago.

Cruz won't be the nominee.

I think Rubio may be the nominee. Jeb is/was, and will continue to flounder. Carson lost many supporters with the uber religious stance.

It's often said the clown car of republicans and the narrow minded will never see the light of day. Their are a few very respectful and honerable candidates in the Republican bus. Can't say the same for for the opponent micro car. Hillary is in deep doo-doo with her breaches of national security. Sanders is a good man, just misguided in his direction.

Cruz lying to get ahead of his candidates, what a joke. I shudder to think that Cruz could potentially be the leader of the free world

In a party whose DNA was built on slow, careful deliberation

Note the past tense. What is missing now is deliberation of any kind.

Rand was the most forward looking of the candidates. People simply aren't ready to see what a sham their current system is.

There has never been even a single successful modern libertarian state.

Name one that has failed then. You can't because there hasn't been one. Yet, we are watching the early death throes of large intrusive governments. They are dinosaurs. No idea what will replace them, but they need replacing - and will be after things get bad enough, people respond by voting in tyrants and demagogues, and maybe, eventually, come to their senses. If anyone is left.

Enjoy your coffee!

Cruz lying to get ahead of his candidates, what a joke. I shudder to think that Cruz could potentially be the leader of the free world.

Trust me, many of us feel the same if Hillary gets into the WH.

"Too bad about Rand Paul - he was the sanest member of the clown show."

Yes. His ideas about not involving the US in wars in which they keep getting hidings and have people coming home in body bags were very sane.

Alternatively, his ideas about not involving the US in wars in which they keep getting hidings and have people coming home in body bags were very insane to the Hillary/Benghazi/Obama is the antichrist, atheist, possible Muslim/ROFLing Fox News crowd.

Yes. His ideas about not involving the US in wars in which they keep getting hidings and have people coming home in body bags were very sane.

A Very nice in a dream state theoretical world, I agree. There is a reason why Rand and his father are way, way out in the stratosphere.

Alternatively, his ideas about not involving the US in wars in which they keep getting hidings and have people coming home in body bags were very insane to the Hillary/Benghazi/Obama is the antichrist, atheist, possible Muslim/ROFLing Fox News crowd.

You and your FNC tirade. ROFL

"A Very nice in a dream state theoretical world, I agree. There is a reason why Rand and his father are way, way out in the stratosphere"

Wars of choice. I know you find it unthinkable to choose not to send people to die in another bloodbath/hiding, but it is actually possible.

Doesn't Fox consider this? Where do they want to see the US military get a spanking these days?

From Foxnews.com:

Perkins, who has endorsed Cruz, told me the voters are not interested in a moderate candidate. "They don’t want someone in the 'middle.' There’s nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead animals."

Iowa might be a nice place to visit but the fact that they picked their winner based on how much they wave a bible tells you they need to think a little more. The bible won`t fix the problems. What a waste.

Trump is probably cheesed off because his team didn't think of this dirty trick first.

Cruz wil do anything to get elected , so no surprise there.

Sorry to see Rand Paul go.

I quote what Nick said to Gatsby " They're a rotten crowd. You are with the whole dam n bunch put together".

LagunaFEB. 04, 2016 - 10:53AM JST In a party whose DNA was built on slow, careful deliberation Note the past tense. What is missing now is deliberation of any kind.

You'll get no disagreement from me. Long ago the GOP sold off whatever shred of intellectual principle it had remaining and is now torn between two factions both involved in radical social experimentation - the neocon wing and the Tea Party wing. Ironically, either side is oblivious to the untested nature of their ideas while condeming democrats as radical social experimenters for trying to push policies like LGBT equality and universal health care, policies that actually have been tested in other countries and shown to work.

bass4funkFEB. 04, 2016 - 12:29PM JST Yes. His ideas about not involving the US in wars in which they keep getting hidings and have people coming home in body bags were very sane. A Very nice in a dream state theoretical world, I agree. There is a reason why Rand and his father are way, way out in the stratosphere.

Careful there, if you're going to "bingo" me for condemning ideologies for being untested, let's stick with that. Numerous countries around the world have tested a rejection of military interventionism in the modern world and shown it to be a very successful approach, countries from Switzerland to Japan to arguably modern China, which has not been involved militarily in other countries post-CW and has arguably seen a tremendous resource boom as a result. Not getting into wars is one of the few robust and well-tested ideas in the libertarian playbook. It certainly compares favorably to the Bush Doctrine and other recent Neo-Conservative playing with military adventurism abroad.

That should have been" They are a rotten crowd. You are worth the whole dam n bunch put together."

Trump let actions speak louder in Hampshire next Tuesday.See you then!

Ultimately the US electorate has to choose between a deceitful lair, a populist socialist coward, and sociopath knuckle-dragging nightmare, any one could launch Armageddon, then there is Marco Rubio whose only claim to fame is being right side of 60.

Wars of choice. I know you find it unthinkable to choose not to send people to die in another bloodbath/hiding, but it is actually possible.

In order to root out and destroy radical Islam, I would and think we should do whatever it takes to get the job done.

Doesn't Fox consider this? Where do they want to see the US military get a spanking these days?

Under proper leadership and a strong will, you wouldn't have to worry about that. There's a reason why for the last 7 years we were spanked with a president that didn't care.

With Rand Paul leaving, it would be great to see his dad jump back in. Ron Paul is by far the greatest presidential candidate I have ever seen. His son was a disappointment.

Marco Rubio

True to form when he loses at something, Donald Trump whines and threatens to sue. Trump simply does not have the character or temperament of a President. And he is top of the polls. In the Republican party.

Moreover, the Republican party must be destroyed.

Moreover, the Republican party must be destroyed.

Finally. The incumbents will soon be destroyed too. "Poof" out of power, right out frm under their noses. Better Trump, Hillary, Cruz or Sanders than the present commander-in-retreat. Good lord!

Donald Trump accused Ted Cruz of fraud in the Iowa caucuses

Isn't this Trump's campaign? Why is Trump so delicate in demanding a ruling on Cruz's eligibility?

The only fraud is Trump.

If Trump is so rich and so smart, why doesn't he detonate planet Cruz with one fell filing. Trump, of all people, should be good at filing obstructionist challenges.

HEY! Just like Cruz! Is there a pattern here?

And he is top of the polls. In the Republican party.

A liberals deepest nightmare. This is 2007 all over again on the reverse. LOL

Moreover, the Republican party must be destroyed.

Along with the Democratic party fo' sho'!

Yes clean house and replace both parties which are equally at fault for the state of chaos within USA. The currrent democrats want freedom, freedom from personal responsibility. The current republicans want freedom from regulation. When each party mixes in congress and senate they accomplish little to nothing beneficial to the American public. Obama as a leader has not been able to make compromises to work together.

We read here daily on JT it the same division. I read "I hate republicans" "the Republican Party must be destroyed" "republican clown car" this is absurd! Is it totalitarianism what those comments ask for? Insane!

Does USA have a perfect system? Hell no! What nation does? We Americans do the best we can. Assets to society should be rewarded. Liabilities should be motivated. It's a balance, free stuff comes from somewhere, it doesn't magically appear. The backs of the taxpayers are stressed. The job market is the worste I have seen in my life. We need a cooperating nation again. Not the division of parties to the extent we see today. Even Hillary says "the republicans are our enemy". Is that constructive?

We read here daily on JT it the same division. I read "I hate republicans" "the Republican Party must be destroyed" "republican clown car" this is absurd! Is it totalitarianism what those comments ask for?

No, just a return to a Republican party that was focused on the the country, rather than on the extreme-right within the party. A Republican party that would work with the Democrats when the time called, rather than opposing them no matter what the issue.

Two parties can be a good thing. But right now they aren't, because one party has been taken hostage by the fringe within the party.

Strangerland: Two parties can be a good thing. But right now they aren't, because one party has been taken hostage by the fringe within the party.

I feel sad for the Democrats, too. And they used to be so bipartisan!

Trump congratulated Cruz on Monday night and told reporters on Tuesday he was “very happy with what happened in Iowa.” But then Trump found out that some Cruz subordinates (not all Cruz subordinates) had told caucus voters that Ben Carson had quit the race. That could have caused some caucus voters to change their vote to another GOP candidate, possibly Cruz. Cruz and Rubio received more votes than the polls indicated they would. Was this the reason why?

But a Trump tweet on Wednesday accused the Cruz campaign of telling Iowa voters that Ben Carson was quitting the race so he could steal Carson votes.

Earlier Wednesday, Cruz spokesman Rick Tyler told CNN the Texas senator had apologized personally to Carson. Tyler said the Cruz team “as a campaign” never alleged Carson was dropping out.

Carson said the Monday comment amounted to “dirty tricks.”

Carson, Cruz, and Trump know what occurred at some of the caucuses. Cruz supporters blame CNN for accidentally/deliberately mis-reporting the Carson story.

MarkG: Yes clean house and replace both parties which are equally at fault

The GOP has shifted to the far right. Surely you are aware of that.

And the RNC has shifted far left. And you are also aware of that. Cooperation is nearly impossible with that. Sanders has tremendous support, I like the man personally but his policies will never pass, or even work in USA for that matter. Yet the young love his plans, they are very inexperienced and liberally groomed their whole lives. Socialism could never work in USA. It will collapse in Europe as it has in other nations in the past. Yet, he is embraced.

@katsu,

Both parties are corrupt and a joke which is why Trump needs to get things cleaned up. Also, continuously increasing taxes wont fix all the problems. Canada has a social healthcare system and it isnt great. If you want an MRI get ready to wait for months. I waited 6 months for an MRI when I was living there.

@Superlib,

Define far right.

And the RNC has shifted far left.

Except it hasn't. Obama is a centrist. If he was far left, he'd be where Sanders is. You can't tell me they espouse the beliefs and ideas that originate from the same far left political stance.

Both parties are corrupt

This seems to be what Republicans are saying these days, when faced with the fact that their party is broken, because they don't want it to only be them that is broken.

There's nothing wrong with the Democrat party. They are just coming out of 8 years of a stellar presidency, with two solid prospects, one of which will almost definitely be the next president. They don't need restructuring, the GOP does.

The GOP's problem is competing interests that will not compromise with each other. They can't make a budget because the Tea Party won't agree to one with other Republicans. They can't create a healthcare plan because they can't get their party to agree on one. Immigration? Same thing. Remember shutting down the government? Ted Cruz literally stabbed his own party member in the back on that one. The just ousted Boehner and now the far, far right is targeting Paul Ryan.

This isn't agreeing with Democrats, this is literally agreeing with each other.

@Strangerland,

Because you are for Sanders so of course you think they don`t need any changing. Dems are turning the US into a mess.

@SuperLib,

Trump has and had nothing to do with the GOPs past failures. Thats why he`s the only one.

Both parties are corrupt and a joke which is why Trump needs to get things cleaned up. - comments

Really? Trump? Do you know who Trump is?

He's the one who wants to date his own daughter.

Get things cleaned up.

That's rich. (rich + sociopath = Trump, look it up!)

Because you are for Sanders so of course you think they don`t need any changing. Dems are turning the US into a mess.

Yeah, people keep saying that, yet when pushed for the problems with the DNC, all that is spoken is hyperbole without any specific examples.

@kcjapan,

You sound like the kind of person thats gets offended by any little joke or crack up. Date his own daughter? Once again throwing Trumps comments out of context.

@Strangerland,

You said it in a comment not me. If you ran your business like the Dems you`d have some trouble surviving.