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wuzzademcrat at 08:24 PM JST - 30th January

smithinjapan:"Israel has lost pretty much all world support."

Can you be specific, just once?
YangYong at 11:10 PM JST - 30th January

Nice one. Like any bully who doesn't know, a kick in the pants wakes them up. 'Oh, I see, THAT'S why I got it back'.
YuriOtani at 02:47 AM JST - 31st January

I suppose Israel was suppose to kill in direct proportion to their dead, etc? Have a few rockets fall well do the exact in return. Does this have to go down to the types of people killed? What would of the correct response to the Hamas attacks been?
gonemad at 02:48 AM JST - 31st January

Israel has the right to defend themselves from enemies that want to exterminate them.

Then Hamas does have the same right, doesn't it? Why do you make a difference?
kinniku at 10:45 AM JST - 31st January

sabiwabi,

June 2007 might be when the current blockade started, but severe restrictions were imposed immediately after Hamas won the election.

Again, incorrect. You can keep repeating that, however, what made things more severe (and in fact led to direct fighting between Israel and Hamas) was Qassam rockets being shot into Israel and the capture of the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. It was not "immediately after the election".

Might not have been as severe as it is now, but Israel immediately imposed restrictions to collectively punish the Gazans for having elected Hamas.

I believe those sanctions were US-led, not Israeli led (although they were definitely supported by Israel)...The US considered and still considers Hamas a "terrorist organization", as does the EU and many other parts of the world. Unfortunately, Hamas does not give people a chance to think otherwise...

You should be careful of the huge amount of information you constantly "forget" to include yourself before chastising others...
kinniku at 10:49 AM JST - 31st January

Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived together in Palestine in peace for a long time, until the zionist criminals set out to create a judeo-supremacist state on Palestinian land.

Yeah, it was smiles and happiness all around. All we need is another "empire" to come along and make things wonderful again...

What exactly do you ingest to see the fantasy world that you do? The Ottoman Empire finished a long time ago and its end had nothing to do with "Zionist criminals"...
kinniku at 12:33 PM JST - 31st January

sabiwabi,

But this is not a conflict between Jews and Muslims, its a conflict between zionist criminals and humanity.

It is kind of hard to take you seriously when you write things like this:

Maybe. But is it western? Can you name any western media that is not Zionist and/or Jewish controlled?

It seems to me that you see "Zionist Criminals" and "Jewish" as being the same thing...

That certainly explains a lot.
sabiwabi at 10:50 AM JST - 3rd February

Maybe. But is it western? Can you name any western media that is not Zionist and/or Jewish controlled?

Kinniku, amazing that you continue to paste old (very old) posts without the proper context. Also amazing that you haven't been able to provide an adequate answer. That certainly does explain a lot. And yes, most "Zionist Criminals" are "Jewish", but why are your implying that I believe that Jews are zionist criminals? Being deceptive again?
sabiwabi at 11:02 AM JST - 3rd February

Again, incorrect. You can keep repeating that, however, what made things more severe (and in fact led to direct fighting between Israel and Hamas) was Qassam rockets being shot into Israel and the capture of the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. It was not "immediately after the election".

You keep on doing the same thing. You write something that is probably correct but which does not refute what I wrote. So still haven't provided anything to explain why I was incorrect.

I'll try one more time. After the elections, Israel imposed severe restrictions on Gaza and they later became more severe (maybe in June 2007, as you wrote). Even Christiane Amanpour on CNN, which you trust, stated several times how Israel has had a stranglehold on Gaza ever since Hamas won the election. Just because the restrictions later became more severe does not mean, as you are implying, that they were not there immediately after the election.
sabiwabi at 11:09 AM JST - 3rd February

I believe those sanctions were US-led, not Israeli led.

Again, that might even be true, about who led the sanctions, but Israel certainly participated/contributed to them. Anyway, we can't really distinguish between the US government and Israeli government. Recall how Olmert told Bush how rice Rice should vote on a resolution.
kinniku at 06:59 PM JST - 3rd February

sabiwabi,

Thank you so much for your response...

Let me address your points:

You are still incorrect about supposed "Israeli" restriction immediately after the Hamas victory in the elections. I believe those sanctions were US-led, not Israeli led (although they were definitely supported by Israel)...The US considered and still considers Hamas a "terrorist organization", as does the EU and many other parts of the world.

Your claims of the US and Israeli governments being one and the same rings extremely hollow considering your demonstrated lack of perspective and balance, in addition to your demonstrated bias against Jews and/or "Zionists". Of course Israel participated in the sanctions. Why shouldn't they? They had every right to do so. You seem to have forgotten that in addition to the US, the EU also participated. Sorry, you are wrong again...

If you think I am wrong, perhaps you could specifically speak to the 'restrictions' you are referring to to clear things up. What specific 'severe restrictions' specifically came about immediately after the elections?

Maybe. But is it western? Can you name any western media that is not Zionist and/or Jewish controlled?

A post from October 2006 is not that "old". I see you really have not read what you wrote. You wrote "Zionist and/or Jewish controlled". In case you have forgotten what 'and/or' means, it means you are both claiming all Western media is Zionist or Jewish or both of the two and you are further suggesting this is a bad thing. No deception. By the way, what "context" is needed for what most people would consider a racist statement. If someone says they hate such and such a people and you come back with nahhh these other people are worse, you are being just as racist as the people to whom you are responding.

Besides, you still felt the same way about "Jews" in January 2007 when you wrote:

But most of those those who control the media are Jews.

You've written so much of this that it is still amazing that you would attempt to deny what you wrote...
sabiwabi at 12:23 PM JST - 4th February

Of course Israel participated in the sanctions.

Thank you for agreeing that Israel participated in the sanctions after Hamas won the elections. This is consistent with CNN's Christiane Amanpour's repeated comments that Israel has had a stranglehold on Gaza ever since Hamas won the election.
kinniku at 12:39 PM JST - 4th February

Thank you for agreeing that Israel participated in the sanctions after Hamas won the elections.

That is not what you wrote however, is it? You wrote it was 'immediately after' Hamas won the election. BTW, I will discount what you write about CNN as you constantly claim you do not trust them.
sabiwabi at 07:19 PM JST - 4th February

kinniku, yes it was immediately after Hamas won the elections, or maybe a few days after, stop splitting hairs again. It was definitely way before the June 2007 you were pushing.

BTW, I will discount what you write about CNN as you constantly claim you do not trust them.

Indeed, I don't trust western media, they have an obvious pro-Israeli bias. I bring up CNN because you specifically stated you do not have a problem with CNN. And Christiane Amanpour on CNN, which you seem to trust, stated a number of times that Israel has had a stranglehold on Gaza ever since Hamas won the election.
kinniku at 08:36 AM JST - 5th February

sabiwabi,

You are still incorrect. It was not immediately or even 'a few days' after Hamas won the elections. As I asked earlier: If you think I am wrong, perhaps you could specifically speak to the 'restrictions' you are referring to to clear things up. What specific 'severe restrictions' specifically came about immediately after the elections?

As to your comments about CNN, I am sorry but when you constantly discount a source of information, you cannot then choose to use that same source to attempt to support your argument. This is particularly true in this case for two reasons: One, your record of misquoting people is quite established. You even seem to have trouble quoting something I wrote a few posts ago. Two, while Ms. Amanpour might be an excellent reporter, she was offering an opinion and not neccessarily describing specific facts. Of course, since you are unable to provide specifics regarding the restrictions to which you are referring, I submit that it is possible that Ms. Amanpour was not referring specifically to Hamas winning elections and was referring to Hamas taking over Gaza. However, as I said, it does not matter what Ms. Amanpour meant as you have discounted her and her organization as a source too many times for you to now attempt to use it to attempt to support your argument.