U.N. assembly hits out at Security Council failure on Syria

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Elbuda MexicanoAug. 04, 2012 - 07:26AM JST

Ah, yes, and who says the UN is a useless, corrupt international organization??
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NeverSubmitAug. 04, 2012 - 09:13AM JST

The US, UK and the UN all siding with Al Qaeda in Syria.

Never thought I'd see the day.
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SuperLibAug. 04, 2012 - 01:08PM JST

NeverSubmit: The US, UK and the UN all siding with Al Qaeda in Syria.

If you say so.
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nandakandamandaAug. 04, 2012 - 01:17PM JST

Quote: NeverSubmit, "Never thought I'd see the day." Oh, yes you did!
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kimikuAug. 04, 2012 - 03:28PM JST

Abdallah al-Mouallimi, told the assembly the Russia-China vetoes gave "the impression that the Security Council was turning a blind eye to the painful reality." He said there was "a consensus that does not support the paralysis of the Security Council, a consensus that says the United Nations cannot be oblivious to the suffering of the Syrian people, a consensus that demands action."

The resolution, which condemned President Bashar al-Assad's use of "heavy weapons" in the civil war, was passed by 133 votes with 12 countries against and 31 abstaining.

Wow, that is almost as much of a consensus as the UN General Assembly resolutions presented every year for over a decade on the Palestine question (the two-state solution, the illegality of settlements, East Jerusalem as Palestinian land, refugees' right of return, pre-1967 border). But for some reason, we never get to hear about this one, despite it achieving greater consensus, year after year.

Russia's U.N. ambassador Vitaly Churkin blasted the resolution, saying it gave "blatant" support to Syrian rebels and that its backers were the countries providing "mercenaries and arms" to the opposition.

On numerous occasions we had Ben stating that NeverSubmit was wrong about the Russian FM saying there were foreigners among the rebels. Seems NeverSubmit was right after all.
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NeverSubmitAug. 04, 2012 - 05:04PM JST

Thanks Kimiku,

Larvov has been noting foreign involvement and support of the rebels almost a year now. It's widely publicized in Russia, Europe and the Middle East. I couldn't even believe that people were doubting it as it was widely known.

Some people seem to live in a mental box as a result of perusing only their own country's media. Over time an inherent bias sets in and a particular mentality develops, whereby the our team is good and the other team is bad becomes the mantra. No matter how much evidence points to the contrary.
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MadvertsAug. 04, 2012 - 05:43PM JST

"No matter how much evidence points to the contrary."

What evidence? You have provided not one scrap of evidence merely baseless accusations and you've been called upon it with your past citations time and time again.
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kimikuAug. 04, 2012 - 06:40PM JST

Ben, is it the word "mostly" you are objecting to? Because everything else in the quote has been confirmed by today's article.

Larvov has been noting foreign involvement and support of the rebels almost a year now.

Yes, I have heard him say it a few times too, probably on RT. I guess some get upset when you do not obey when ordered to provide a link, or when you POSSIBLY make a small error when paraphrasing someone you heard.

Anyway, what is becoming harder and harder to deny (although some will continue to deny the obvious) is that this crisis is NOT a homegrown rebellion.
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YGHome3Aug. 04, 2012 - 07:06PM JST

It is not good when a superpower organizes a regime change operation in a foreign country, as part of its effort to grab lands and colonize the pertinent region, and most of the countries around the globe cheer such exploits.
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NeverSubmitAug. 04, 2012 - 07:29PM JST

I'm at least glad that the dialog has moved forward significantly. Check the posts from 4 months ago and you'll see many of the posters who are commenting now totally denying the possibility of any foreign involvement in this conflict.

Since then Turkey, Saudi Arabia, the UK and the US have begrudgingly admitted what Russia has been asserting all along, that the rebels are supplied, manned and financed by interests outside of Syria.

Interesting to see how the Three Amigos have altered to their stance to suit the news of the day. Honestly, now I can't figure out what their position is? Is it support for the Jihadist rebels or support for a Turkish invasion or are they just try to spam the board with inflammatory comments.
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SuperLibAug. 04, 2012 - 08:16PM JST

Check the posts from 4 months ago and you'll see many of the posters who are commenting now totally denying the possibility of any foreign involvement in this conflict.

Care to show us?
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MadvertsAug. 04, 2012 - 08:39PM JST

I will...

*NeverSubmitAPR. 08, 2012 - 09:38AM JST The Syrian Army is fighting Western backed foreign mercenaries. Most of the civilian deaths are caused by the NATO sponsored foreign fighters. The Western media is feeding us BS on this whole situation, just like they did with Libya and Iraq. Posted in: 74 killed in ongoing Syria offensives

NeverSubmitAPR. 10, 2012 - 03:52PM JST We're not getting the whole story here. **Most likely what is happening is that the insurgents that the Syrian government is fighting are slipping back and forth across the border, essentially using Turkey and Lebanon as safe haven staging grounds for attacks on Syria. **I wonder if the AP is giving us the complete truth on what is really happening over there. Posted in: Syria fires over borders with Lebanon, Turkey

NeverSubmitAPR. 13, 2012 - 11:57PM JST Syria was next on the list after Libya. The reason that Syria really fired up after Libya was finished was all the experience mercenaries (Blackwater et al) were transfered from Libya to Syria. Now Blackwater is inside Syria playing the same game they did in Libya. They target civilians and government positions forcing the government to respond. **Then they hide amongst the people to ensure that there are civilian casualties in the firefight. Those casualties are then plastered on your nightly news for the consumption of the masses. Ofcourse the tag line reads that Syria is randomly killing their own civilians. **Blackwater (Xe Services) are leading this insurgency and NATO is supplying the ammunition while the EU are providing the funds. If these insurgents really were a ragtag group of army deserters they would have run out of ammo months ago. They seem to have an endless supply though don't they. Posted in: Western nations want tough Syria warning in U.N. resolution

NeverSubmitAPR. 14, 2012 - 08:11AM JST Western sponsored rent a crowd. Just like those 5 guys who were dancing around the toppled Saddam statue in Baghdad that were later to revealed to be CIA agents. Most Syrians are overwhelmingly against foreign intervention in their country, especially American intervention. Posted in: Syrians demonstrate to test ceasefire; 8 killed

NeverSubmitAPR. 26, 2012 - 11:18AM JST Most of the 'rebel' fighters are Blackwater (now called Xe services) mercenaries, paid for by NATO. Where do you think the 'rebels' are getting their seemingly endless supply of ammo from? Posted in: France raises prospect of military action in Syria

NeverSubmitAPR. 28, 2012 - 09:34PM JST Madverts- if for you the truth comes in the form a link then you're in a sad state indeed. The truth doesn't come in links. If had followed the news during the Libya situation and your memory works you'll notice that the exact same process is playing itself out. Albeit slower since Syria is a much larger country population-wise, it's harder for Blackwater (Xe services) to do it's dirty work undermining the Syrian government. Posted in: Thousands protest as bombs rock Damascus *
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NeverSubmitAug. 04, 2012 - 10:01PM JST

Madverts, thanks for the summary. That's a nice outline describing the situation in Syria in a nutshell.
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Ben JackAug. 04, 2012 - 10:09PM JST

Madverts, thanks for the summary. That's a nice outline describing theNever Submit's posts that he has never backed up in a nutshell.
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Ben JackAug. 04, 2012 - 10:10PM JST

It is not good when a superpower organizes a regime change operation in a foreign country, as part of its effort to grab lands and colonize the pertinent region, and most of the countries around the globe cheer such exploits.

Perhaps not. However, since that does not appear to be what is happening at all, your comment does not seem to have much merit.
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Ben JackAug. 04, 2012 - 10:13PM JST

On numerous occasions we had Ben stating that NeverSubmit was wrong about the Russian FM saying there were foreigners among the rebels. Seems NeverSubmit was right after all.

So far, he still appears to be wrong. After all, I have not seen anything to show me that the Russian FM said the rebels were mostly foreigners on or anywhere near the 2nd of June? Have you? Please show me.
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Ben JackAug. 04, 2012 - 10:27PM JST

Ben, is it the word "mostly" you are objecting to? Because everything else in the quote has been confirmed by today's article.

Never Submit made a claim on June 2nd that the Russian FM said the rebels were mostly foreigners. As far as I have seen, the Russian FM never said anything like that. Certainly, NS never showed any proof of it. Neither have you, Ciao.
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SuperLibAug. 04, 2012 - 11:35PM JST

Hey what ever happened to e 120 French soldiers Never was duped into believing? :)
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OlegekAug. 04, 2012 - 11:44PM JST

Ben Jack It is not good when a superpower organizes a regime change operation in a foreign country, as part of its effort to grab lands and colonize the pertinent region, and most of the countries around the globe cheer such exploits.

Perhaps not. However, since that does not appear to be what is happening at all, your comment does not seem to have much merit.

Does anytime West acting in another manner than " organizes a regime change operation in a foreign country, as part of its effort to grab lands and colonize " ? or recolonise ?? Christianize europeanize democratize colonize re colonize....
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OlegekAug. 04, 2012 - 11:54PM JST
After all, I have not seen anything to show me that the Russian FM said the rebels were mostly foreigners on or anywhere near the 2nd of June?
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for this "revolution" coming from outside (money , weapons, ammo ...)
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YGHome3Aug. 05, 2012 - 12:07AM JST

Perhaps not. However, since that does not appear to be what is happening at all, your comment does not seem to have much merit.

You acknowledge the moral aspect of my assertion, then, but reject the factual aspect. I am glad about the first part, at least. By the way, it is interesting that India (More than 1,000,000,000 people) abstained. After all, the world is not totally blind (even if it is mostly blind).
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Ben JackAug. 05, 2012 - 12:19AM JST

Does anytime West acting in another manner than

Heh, Russia has its bases in Syria. In the form of the Soviet Union, Russia invaded and failed to keep control over Afghanistan. In fact, Russia, has invaded lots of places. Russia is attempting to exert control over the Middle East through Syria. The phrase about being in a glass house and not throwing stones comes to mind.
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Ben JackAug. 05, 2012 - 12:20AM JST

You acknowledge the moral aspect of my assertion

I acknowledge the prospect of your assertion. I believe you are incorrect. I believe this is a homegrown movement. Just because it has outside backing does not make it any less homegrown.
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Ben JackAug. 05, 2012 - 12:22AM JST

We can discuss endlessly nationality of these guys, but I think it is obvious that whole support for this "revolution" coming from outside (money , weapons, ammo ...)

I think the reason we can endlessly discuss it is because you cannot prove what their nationalities are, or more importantly, you cannot prove they are not Syrian. As I wrote right above here: Just because it has outside backing does not make it any less homegrown.
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MadvertsAug. 05, 2012 - 12:39AM JST

"Madverts, thanks for the summary. That's a nice outline describing theNever Submit's posts that he has never backed up in a nutshell."

Actually Ben, I only focused on ONE of Never Submit's bogus claims.

That poster is a charlatan, probably one of JT's own trolls hence the strange deletions. I'm not sure why posting under multiple handles is allowed, it used to be against the rules. Perhaps the moderator could answer to the community?
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OlegekAug. 05, 2012 - 01:19AM JST

Heh, Russia has its bases in Syria.

Only ONE

USA - about 800 all around the " FREE WORLD"

Russia invaded and failed to keep control over Afghanistan.

Today USA invaded Afganistan. Big difference : USSR had common border with Afganistan USA located a thousand miles from Afganistan

In fact, Russia, has invaded lots of places.

Serbia ? Iraq ? Libya?

Foir example ?

Russia is attempting to exert control over the Middle East through Syria.

And NOT forget 'bout FREE Iraq occupied by .... surprise USA !

The phrase about being in a glass house and not throwing stones comes to mind.

Exactly !!
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MadvertsAug. 05, 2012 - 01:29AM JST

"USA - about 800 all around the " FREE WORLD""

Yawn wake me up when they have a dictatorship masquerading as a "democracy", down to the point where we're locking up young single mothers for peaceful dissent.

Actually, no wonder Russians like yourself and NeverSubmit love Assad's brutal dictatorship so much, you've much in common!
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OlegekAug. 05, 2012 - 01:36AM JST

I think the reason we can endlessly discuss it is because you cannot prove what their nationalities are, or more importantly, you cannot prove they are not Syrian.

We have discuss this problem - remember ? - to fight against regular army - and Siryan Army is a good one you need a lot of modern military equipment a lot of ammo a lot of food and medicine

And the main course - you need a lot of well trained soldiers NOW !!

You can't wait for months - you need well organaized army now ! right here right now !

Demonsrators who taking up hunting rifles and going to fight against professional soldiers - fairy tale !
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OlegekAug. 05, 2012 - 01:43AM JST

Just because it has outside backing does not make it any less homegrown.

SO for example - UK in big troubles : economy come down and so on... political crisis and angry / hungry mobs...

So some Islamic counries/ organisations will supply ammo + weapons + money to muslim freedom fighters

Homegrown movement ? Yeah ?

Will you support ? Why not ?
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bass4funkAug. 05, 2012 - 01:44AM JST

Madverts, thanks for the summary. That's a nice outline describing the situation in Syria in a nutshell.

Well, now you feel happy when someone believes your Assad talking points? I'm still waiting for you to share with all of us your embodiment of what happened
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OlegekAug. 05, 2012 - 01:51AM JST

Madverts "USA - about 800 all around the " FREE WORLD""

Yawn wake me up when they have a dictatorship masquerading as a "democracy", down to the point where we're locking up young single mothers for peaceful dissent

Sorry do not leave the topic (I personally took part in the discussion of young mothers on JT , ...Russian female punk band Pussy Riot on trial for anti-Putin protest..)

What about 800 USA military bases ? What does it means ? Who is warmonger ?
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MadvertsAug. 05, 2012 - 02:21AM JST

"What about 800 USA military bases ? What does it means ? Who is warmonger ?"

The only military base in Syria is Russian, therefore it is you who is off topic.
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OlegekAug. 05, 2012 - 02:35AM JST

Madverts

The only military base in Syria is Russian, therefore it is you who is off topic.

And how many US military bases located on Middle East ? Why ?

They can't be used against Syria ? Shure ?
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MadvertsAug. 05, 2012 - 02:52AM JST

In fact the Russian base in Syria, plus sweetheart deals with the Assad regime to sell him inferior Russian arms to quell protests against his regime is the only reason Russia is propping up the dictator.

The UN vote condemning the abuse of the security council veto 133 votes to 12 shows not only who the money-grubbers are, but also who has the blood of the Syrian revolution on their hands.

Assad's removal and probably violent death are inevitable - my only hope is that a democratic regime will rise from the ashes and refuse to deal with both Russia and China who have done everything to keep the brutal dictator in power.

I hear Asma Assad is nearly out of Chanel. It won't be long now.
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NeverSubmitAug. 05, 2012 - 06:32AM JST

It won't be long now.

Right on cue Madverts, every week for the since this beginning of this you've been predicting the defeat of Syria but you've been consistently wrong. The Syrians aren't the pushover that you think they are. Care to give us a timeline instead of vague prophecy.

Indeed the vote count at the UN is surprising. A lot of countries actually voted against the resolution and a significant number of major countries abstained. The "Coalition of the Willing" is not as big as Hillary claims it is and either Syria has a lot of friends or countries are being fed up with the self-righteous posturing of NATO countries who claim to bring peace and democracy at the barrel of a gun.

Your point about Alma Assad is fair. She lives in luxury. But then again, is there a first lady on Earth who doesn't? I wonder how Alma's expenditures compare to Obama's wife's weekly expense report.

Assad's place in Syrian politics is way overblown by the media anyways. Syria has an elected parliament and even a Prime Minister, who is actually the head of Government. Like France, Syria has a President and Prime Minister and there are regular elections. Until last year, Syria was a relatively peaceful and stable country where Christians, Jews and Muslims lived together. Syria actually enjoyed good relations with neighbor Turkey traded regularly with Israel.

The Jihadist Muslims have a much different vision of Syria and NATO no doubt is salivating over Syria's rich resources and strategic location. For the rebel footsoldier this fight is about religion and for their paymasters it's access to Syria's wealth and location, as well as the denial of a base to Russia.

Syria is being used a proxy location for major powers to fight it out. Each party has it's own particular agenda. If anyone beliefs that the NATO powers have the best interests of the Syrian people at heart they are truly delusional and living in a political fairytale.

Hillary, Turkey and Saudi Arabia care nothing for the average Syrian family. Of course they have their own agendas, their own interests in mind. The rebels are the cannon fodder for that agenda and the Syrian people are the victimized bystanders in this turf war.

The moral thing to do is to for all outside interests to stop supplying weapons to the hooligans and crazed jihadists who compromise the loose band of thugs called the rebel army.
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SuperLibAug. 05, 2012 - 11:36AM JST

I thought Aleppo was supposed to be a quick and easy rout of the rebels? Remember when you told us to si back and enjoy the show? When was that post? Heh
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OlegekAug. 05, 2012 - 02:08PM JST

Madverts In fact the Russian base in Syria, plus sweetheart deals with the Assad regime to sell him inferior Russian arms to quell protests against his regime is the only reason Russia is propping up the dictator.

SO one more time 'bout this famous naval base...

You have not give some little remarks 'bout USA military bases all around the world - 800 !!

A little bit ashamed ? Yeah - some of them situated in VERY democratic lands such as

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia !! Kingdom ! The Saudi Arabian government, which has been an absolute monarchy since its inception, refers to its system of government as being Islamic

Qatar has been ruled as an absolute monarchy by Al Thani family since the mid-19th century Qatar has built intimate military ties with the United States, and is now the location of U.S. Central Command's Forward Headquarters and the Combined Air Operations Center.

Bahrain officially the Kingdom of Bahrain Since 2011, the government of Bahrain has faced a series of massive demonstrations, amounting to a sustained campaign of civil unrest, also known as the 2011-2012 Bahraini uprising, and has faced widespread criticism for its crackdown on protestors which has resulted in about 95 deaths.

Long live the king !! (pro-american and de-emocratic of cause) !!

Assad's removal and probably violent death are inevitable - my only hope is that a democratic regime will rise from the ashes

Like in Iraq ???

and refuse to deal with both Russia and China who have done everything to keep the brutal dictator in power.

brutal dictator can't be compared with gentle democrators from Saudi Arabia Bahrain Qatar ....

chorus of the U.S. State Department :

They are monsters

our beautiful monsters

but we don't care

..... sounds pumped oil....
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MadvertsAug. 05, 2012 - 05:22PM JST

"Right on cue Madverts, every week for the since this beginning of this you've been predicting the defeat of Syria but you've been consistently wrong. "

I'd ask you to do be honest and prove this latest falsehood of yours, but we both know that writing things that aren't true and then failing to back them up is your hallmark.

Just a week ago you posted that the citizens of Aleppo were "cheering on their army" and that the rebels were burning in their tanks.

What happened?
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MadvertsAug. 05, 2012 - 05:24PM JST

"You have not give some little remarks 'bout USA military bases all around the world - 800 !!"

I don't have too. It isn't on topic and I'm not American so I really, really don't understand why it is you're even bringing it up.
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OlegekAug. 05, 2012 - 08:27PM JST

It isn't on topic and I'm not American so I really, really don't understand why it is you're even bringing it up.

Sorry why in this case Russian base in topic ? As far as i know in this region US has about 35 bases.. They can be used against Syria US constantly threatening to Syrian government ....

The only one reason because "rebels" are not defeated at the moment - support from US and this support coming from these bases ...

Madverts

In fact the Russian base in Syria, ...

Sorry -from your point of view - US bases - it's like rain or snow....quite normal ...

an integral part of the landscape... but one Russian base - something special...
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OlegekAug. 05, 2012 - 08:34PM JST

Madverts

and I'm not American so I really, really don't understand why it is you're even bringing it up.

And do you have American bases in your country ?

And if YES - and I think yes - how can it possible to live without US troops ?

why you are so boring about one Russian base ?
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MadvertsAug. 06, 2012 - 03:00AM JST

"And if YES - and I think yes - how can it possible to live without US troops ?"

Nah, de Gaulle heaved them out in the fifties like the pompous ass that he was, but this still has nothing to do with the topic.

If the US or NATO really wanted to get involved (which they clearly don't), Assad would be dead or have been shown to his cell in the Hague months ago.
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mrmaliceAug. 06, 2012 - 05:18AM JST

they just keep condemning don't they ... it's like a broken record skipping back