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© Copyright 2014 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.Ukraine defiant on national day; rebels parade captives
By EFREM LUKATSKY and LAURA MILLS KIEV, Ukraine©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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alex rockstone
They bombed cities. Now people yell obscenities and throw eggs and bottles in their faces. It would be strange to see hugs and kisses instead of.
lostrune2
Parading military in Kiev may be in bad taste (though Moscow too), but can't parade POWs
Thunderbird2
Parading POWs shows how far down the ladder the rebels have gone in terms of civilised behaviour. You want global sympathy and support? Then act like human beings - don't parade POWs and shoot down airliners!
Olegek
Old Russian tradition : in year 1944 in summer campaign Red Army reported about huge amount of POW
Group Armies Center was totally destroyed
But Allies have SOME doubts about quantity of POW in the East Front
So July 17 1944 it was a big "Parade" in Moscow 57 thousands of Nazi passed by Moscow streets
19 Nazi generals goes ahead
alex rockstone
Thunderbird2AUG. 25, 2014 - 05:29PM JST
Sure they need neither sympathy nor support from a side of liars who keep accusing them of downing the airliner.
Thunderbird2
So everyone here thinks that the Ukrainians shot the liner down? US say they have proof of a launch from within rebel held territory. A rebel leader said he knew which rebel group had shot it down.
Hey, I don't think shelling innocent civilians is civilised behaviour either, but if the rebels want to be taken seriously then parading POWs like Islamist terrorists isn't the way to do it. As far as I'm concerned Ukraine has more in common with the middle east then Europe. Ukraine = Israel, rebels = Hamas.
As for the airliner - until there is proof the rebels didn't shoot it down I'll believe the other side of the argument... after all a BUK launcher was seen rushing for the border not long after the plane came down... with a missile missing. It was filmed and shown on TV around the world.
You believe what you want, I'll believe what I want.
night knight
@Thunderbird2AUG. 25, 2014 - 10:34PM JS
U.S. tell us a plain lie (as usual) covering arses of their Ukranian puppets.
Aviation experts from Europe has already pointed out that traces on wreckage of MH17 had been caused by either air-to-air missile or aircraft's automated gun. The BUK's shrapnel could cause a different kind of damage to hull of airplane.
Thunderbird2
Oh well... proven wrong again.
As for the damage... I remember seeing an expert saying the shrapnel pattern was consistent with a SAM rather than an Air to Air missile, but no doubt someone will provide a link to the official aviation experts' evaluation with the smoking gun pointing directly at Kiev... which no-one else except the Russians (and this forum) thinks is the case.
Oh, and if you read some more, you'll see that there was a report from a Russian news agency about the rebels nicking a BUK launcher... Daily Mail July 18:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/video-shows-missile-launcher-leaving-3880198
SuperLib
So the MSM is in on MH17. And a dozen western countries.
That makes it what....a few thousand people who are now officially "in on it"?
FizzBit
Nope, just 6 which control 90% of US media. Or didn't you know that? The same 6 that had 41% of Americans believing that Saddam Hussein was directly connected to 9/11. Or didn't you remember that. Put down the play station son.
tokyodoumo
This goes to show you to never trust the Russians.
lostrune2
Well, the Russians believed "those are not Russian troops in Crimea" Putin
Olegek
This goes to show NEVER attack Russian
in 4 months Regular Ukrainian Army was stopped and defeated by Russian militia of South East
President Poroshenko have promised parade in Donetsk ( Like Hitler promised parade in Moscow)
So here this parade
It's a special Russian humor
night knight
@Thunderbird2AUG. 25, 2014 - 11:56PM JST
Some people prefer to believe in rubbish delivered by mainstream media. Other people prefer to think and make conclusions, based on evidence and solid facts. Americans (and americanized europeans) are known in their natural naivety and therefore they are easily manipulated by various TV Puppet Masters from mainstream media. For example, more than hundred years ago Americans believed that Maine battleship was destroyed by Spanish saboteurs . Because they were told about by authorities through newspapers. No evidences of Spanish involvement has been found yet. Later American accused vietnamese of attack in Gulf of Tonkin and quickly started aggression against Vietnam. Later it has been revealed that attack in Gulf of Tonkin was an example of desinformation and plain lie. Need I say about false pretexts of last invasion of Americans in Iraq ? Today they accuse Putin or Russians and pro-Russian rebels in downing of Malaysian civil jet and you believe. Tomorrow they accuse smurfs and you will believe them too.
In 2001 Ukranian military personnel shot down a Russian civil jet over Black Sea due to poorest military skills of Ukranians. The warhead of that missile was similar to BUK's by mechanism of damage to its target. High-density cloud of high-speed shrapnel literally rip the airplane off to tiniest pieces. Traces on wing of downed MH17 and holes in wreckage of cockpit were definitely caused bu bullets of aircraft-mounted gun or continuous rod of Air-to-Air missile. The last link in chain of evidence is to find bullets or ffragments of continuous rods among pieces of the wreckage. Nowadays pro-Russian rebels are cleaning off Ukranians a wide territory,that surrounds the crash site of airplane. If Dutch or Australian air crash investigators refuse to work, that's only their problem. Various experts are welcomed to come and carefully search the wreckage. Sooner or later the last link of chain of evidence will be found and revealed to wide public.