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  SuperLib at 03:49 PM JST - 5th September

  if you are a true "patriot" you'd stick up for the people in your armed forces

  Ok front...please tell us the suicide rate of the armed services in your own country. And please tell us about the care they receive after they come home from combat in places like Afghanistan.

  Go for it, Mr. Patriot.

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  Taka313 at 03:54 PM JST - 5th September

  marforio,

  It's documented in Army Times for one.

  But...they're probably "leftie."

  Taka

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  mar4eO at 04:08 PM JST - 5th September

  It's documented in Army Times for one.

  But...they're probably "leftie."

  Good. Documentation always helps.

  Before the Walter Reed 'scandal' broke, the NY Times' own economist of (liberal) renown, Mr Paul Krugman, repeatedly tried to make the case that our VA hospitals were a model of how socialized medicine could work in America.

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  Taka313 at 04:39 PM JST - 5th September

  marforio,

  "Documentation always helps."

  Unfortunately, we have none (documentation) indicating you have any concern for the Soldiers other than as props for your anti-liberal rants.

  Support the troops....' mission.

  you patriot, you.

  Taka

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  Sarge at 04:40 PM JST - 5th September

  Taka313 - This is the terrible price you pay for going to war with the Army you have, and not with the Army you want."

  But you didn't want ANY army to liberate Iraq.

  "The last time the army's suicide rate exceeded the civilian rate was in the late 1960's"

  Gosh, the civilians should have been emulating the Army's lifestyle all these years.

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  Taka313 at 04:55 PM JST - 5th September

  sarge,

  condi rice, herself, went on the attack saying that no one said Iraq was an "imminent threat" to America. We attacked anyway, giving us a two-front war to fight, making logistics support more difficult, and putting us in a situation where we had more troops fighting than we had armored vehicles to support them.

  For a war against a country that was not an imminent threat. It's wonderful that saddam is gone. Even better that his sons won't take over the country, I'm not denying that, but because of the timing, Soldiers unnecessarily died due to insufficient logistics support in the form of armored vehicles.
  Also, by fighting a two-front war, the Army's medical commands and the VA could not keep up with the overflow of patients. The overflow being the part that pesky conveniently glosses over in his anti-liberal rant. Had the U.S. waited until the Afghanistan situation was taken care of and then went into Iraq, many of these problems wouldn't have occurred.

  Taka

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  Sarge at 05:06 PM JST - 5th September

  Taka313 : "we had more troops fighting than we had armored vehicles to supporr them."

  It would have been even worse if Rumsfeld had listened to General Shinseki then, wouldn't it? He was talking about deploying "several hundred thousand troops."

  War is hell. I wish to hell there weren't any.

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  rjd_jr at 08:56 PM JST - 5th September

  Not quite Sarge. How could it have been 'worse' deploying the proper numbers of troops to start with to stabilize and reconstruct post war Iraq? Even considering the fact that Bush and his administration treated post war Iraq and its myriad of problems like a joke, there simply was not enough manpower to stabilize and undo the damage done early on post invasion. And all these politicos claiming credit for le sourge, how can one wax lyrical about how effective 'le sourge' was when it's the exact same principle Shinseki proposed? And when you have people like General Abazaid now agreeing that plenty more coalition forces were need post occupation Iraq, that is pretty damning that things would have been BETTER if numbers close to what Shinseki proposed were done.

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  Sarge at 09:09 PM JST - 5th September

  rjd jr - AsTaka313 pointed out, we had more troops fighting than we had armored vehicles to support them, and we had only about 130,000 troops there. If we had deployed "hundreds of thousands of troops" there would have been many more suicides among them, no?

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  frontandcentre at 09:25 PM JST - 5th September

  Superlib - patriotism, the last refuge of the scoundrel, I think it was once called, with good reason.

  Funnily enough we are talking about the US Army here, not the British, French, Japanese, Canadian or any other army. The U.S. Army, whose casualties are being neglected. Happy about that?

  Well, of course you are - as long as they go and get turned into hamburgers to prove how 'tough' the US is and to make YOU proud, who cares, eh? Some patriot you are, defending policies that are harmful to you country.

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  rjd_jr at 11:37 PM JST - 5th September

  It doesn't work that way Sarge. The issue of inadequate armoured vehicles happened as the insurgency started to gain momentum with explosive attacks. Had Bush and company taken post occupation seriously, there would have been no need for additional armoured vehicles, troops would have been engaging in police action and other forms of rebuilding the country (one of the earliest documentaries about the Iraq War shows troops riding in open, unarmoured vehicles throughout the city). Again, even the likes of General Abizaid have stated that more troops would have been better. The majority of troops in Iraq are combat support and support, do they need armoured vehicles also when they spend most of their time on base?

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  adaydream at 11:41 PM JST - 5th September

  There are several kinds of patriotism.

  Patriotism for country. Patriotism of self. Patriotism of the military. Patriotism of.... the list can go on.

  But I'm just concerned with the warriors, that we rely on are receiving the best care available, no matter who president. < :-)

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  TheNewZen at 11:51 PM JST - 5th September

  I am with adaydream.

  The soldiers should get the adequate/care they need as should their families.

  Going back to WWII the german army was well fed during peace-times but during war-times they suffered/starved and moral, etc hit the bottom. This is one of the reason why they failed in the long run. In short look after your soldiers pre/during/post wars.

  Nothing to do with patriotism or jingoism(as shown often on JT).

  Same as a corporation if you want your workers to　perform the need to have access to the tools/materials/resources to do so.

  Right now the Vet situation is bad, I speak to many and get their stories. Guys being fired because they sustained a major injury, etc.

  If I as a non-american can get them so can US Citizens. Most of the vets are hurting badly right now.

  Also getting lots of updates from people in-country. This is not from　media outlets from the guys and their family direct.

  Just my view.

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  Taka313 at 01:04 AM JST - 6th September

  sarge, Good job completely missing the whole part about waiting until we had our situation in Afghanistan stabilized before invading Iraq. Wow. Really. It's almost like you TRY not to think.

  Taka

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  mar4eO at 01:26 AM JST - 6th September

  Superlib - patriotism, the last refuge of the scoundrel, I think it was once called, with good reason.

  Yes, by Samuel Johnson.

  But that was before America came into being...

  Europeon notions of patria are irrelevant in the New World.

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