McCain, Clinton, Obama bicker over Iraq policy
WASHINGTON —
The three leading U.S. White House hopefuls were heading back to the campaign trail Wednesday after revealing differences over the war in Iraq during Senate hearings in which they had a chance to audition for the role of commander-in-chief by questioning the top U.S. commander about the pace of troop withdrawals.
Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain and Democratic contender Hillary Rodham Clinton bickered during Senate hearings about bringing troops home, while Clinton’s rival Barack Obama asked top U.S. officials if a “messy, sloppy status quo” was not better than more bloodshed.
The three presidential contenders took a break from campaigning so they could all attend Senate hearings Tuesday with appearances by commanding Gen David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker.
On Wednesday, Obama and Clinton were returning to the campaign trail in Pennsylvania, which holds the next primary contest on April 22, offering the largest remaining prize of 158 delegates. Clinton also hopes to replenish her campaign coffers with a fund-raising concert in New York featuring pop star Elton John. McCain had a town hall meeting scheduled in Connecticut.
Petraeus and Crocker faced largely deferential questioning from Republican nominee McCain, who backs a continued U.S. presence in Iraq, and Democratic rivals Clinton and Obama, both advocates of getting out of the oil-rich country after five years of war.
Petraeus and Crocker, both highly respected for their conduct of the conflict since taking over last year, responded gingerly, knowing one the three senators was likely to be the next commander in chief.
In the Foreign Relations Committee, McCain said promises to withdraw forces “would constitute a failure of political and moral leadership.”
“I fundamentally disagree,” Clinton said later, when it was her turn to speak. “Rather, I think it could be fair to say that it might well be irresponsible to continue the policy that has not produced the results that have been promised time and time again.”
From his seat on the Foreign Relations panel, Obama prodded the two officials to redefine success as a means of closing down the conflict.
The Illinois senator and Democratic front-runner said he worried that the goals—completely eliminating al-Qaida and Iranian influences—might be impossible to meet and troops could be there for 20 or 30 years in a fruitless effort.
“If, on the other hand, our criteria is a messy, sloppy status quo but there’s not huge outbreaks of violence, there’s still corruption, but the country is struggling along, but it’s not a threat to its neighbors and it’s not an al-Qaida base, that seems to me an achievable goal within a measurable time frame,” he said.
Both Democrats contend the five-year-old war has made the United States less safe and is a crippling drain on the American economy. McCain said U.S. forces are succeeding.
Petraeus also acknowledged in questioning from McCain and committee chairman Sen Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, that the Iraqi military operation against militia forces in Basra late last month was poorly planned. He said Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who ordered the assault, did not consult sufficiently with American forces.
“Suffice to say it was a disappointment,” McCain asked.
Petraeus responded: “It was. Although it is not over yet, senator.”
In opening remarks, Petraeus said he would recommend to U.S. President George W Bush that the current drawdown of troops be put on hold for 45 days after July, when the so-called “surge” force is to have left the country. He refused to commit to a date for restarting the withdrawal.
While McCain is virtually guaranteed the Republican spot in the race, Clinton and Obama continue battling in a close and historic battle for their party’s nomination. She is seeking to become the first woman president; he aims to be the first black president.
Obama has accumulated more delegates, won more primary and caucus contests and leads in the popular vote against Clinton. The latest AP tally of delegates showed Obama with 1,638 to Clinton’s 1,501, including superdelegates—party leaders and elected officials who are free to vote for whichever Democrat they want.
A new Quinnipiac University poll of Pennsylvania voters showed Clinton’s previously large lead over Obama had shrunk to 50-44%. Clinton’s lead has dropped from a 9-point advantage a week ago and 12 percentage points in mid-March.
Seeking to assure a victory in the upcoming balloting, Clinton is targeting Pennsylvania media markets with five new television ads that deliver specific messages to different regional and ethnic audiences.
Her campaign began airing the ads Tuesday, three in the expensive Philadelphia market where polls show rival Obama has been gaining support.
The ads come as Obama has been outspending Clinton in Pennsylvania. As of Sunday, Obama had spent $3.6 million in the state to Clinton’s $1.3 million, according to data compiled by TNS Media Intelligence/Campaign Media Analysis Group.
Obama updated his ad mix in the state as well. A new ad features some of the women in his life—his half sister, his grandmother and his wife—in what is an obvious outreach to women voters who form a core of Clinton’s support.
As the ads began airing, the Clinton campaign also issued a fund-raising appeal to counter Obama’s spending advantage in the state.
“They’re trying to end the race for the White House with an unyielding media blitz,” an e-mail to supporters says. “Don’t let a sea of Obama ads overwhelm our powerful message in Pennsylvania. Contribute now.”
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Sarge
I wonder if a President Obama or Clinton would heed the advice of the top U.S. commander in Iraq as I'm sure President Bush will, or would they ignore him and go ahead and do what they've promised?
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GrouchyGaijin
“External actors, like Iran, could stoke violence within Iraq and actions by other neighbors could undermine the security situation as well,” he added. OK General Betray-us, what would Amerika have done if Iran had invaded Mexico? Continue to watch American Idol as if nothing had happened? T A L K to I R A N! No victory without it!
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SushiSake3
Sarge, Bush only listens to his commanders on the ground when they tell him what he wants to hear.
Otherwise he ignores them.
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smithinjapan
Meanwhile, in fantasy-land, McCain claims the Iraq war is going well.... hahahaha. Now Petreus is being grilled for telling people what anyone with a brain in their heads has known all along -- the Iraq war is in fact going very poorly, and they CANNOT withdrawal because things are only getting worse (president threatening militias with ultimatums, etc.).
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skipthesong
sushi is correct, but he fails short in pointing out only Bush. If the General had come in and said things are improving, democrats would have been just as guilty..
quit putting faith in a party.
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SuperLib
Anyone who advocates removing troops earlier than necessary is advocating more bloodshed in Iraq.
Why do they want that?
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skipthesong
superlib: more bloodshed in Iraq." If they did leave, who can they blame? There are people there that have been looking for that chance for a long time.
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SushiSake3
Superlib - probably because advocating keeping the troops in Iraq will only sink the world's biggest economy even further into debt.
And why would any thinking American want their taxes spent on building schools, roads and hospitals in Iraq over building the same facilities at home?
Bottom line is that the tanking U.S. economy is going to have far, far greater and more dire ramifications than a tanking Iraq.
But some people just keep the blinders on.
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skipthesong
And why would any thinking American want their taxes spent on building schools, roads and hospitals in Iraq over building the same facilities at home?" good point but why does that concern you? Actually, I don't even like paying taxes to the states as I am not driving on those roads, my kid won't be going to any of those schools, but then again, we never get the chance to yell about our how our taxes are spent so your point is moot.
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SuperLib
"Superlib - probably because advocating keeping the troops in Iraq will only sink the world's biggest economy even further into debt."
I understand. You're saying that the US should take action that would increase death in Iraq in order to save some cash.
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SushiSake2
SuperLib - staying there only causes more death and destruction.
It's time to call time.
Not doing so is a dereliction of duty on the part of your president and is doing nothing for the people who are funding this war.
And it's 6 years too late to be saying that the US should take action that would increase death in Iraq....your support helped lead to this disaster.
The horse has already bolted.
It woul dbe great if the supporters of this war had some creative ideas for how to end it.
Sadly they don't.
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SushiSake2
Superlib, I couldn't help notice how you criticize me - someone who has never supported the Iraq war - for the debacle we now see in Iraq that was caused by the support of yourself and many others who were blindsided and told what to think by President Bush.
I'd call that sheer desperation, :-)
By the way, do you or any other war supporters have any ideas regarding where future funds for this war are going to come from?
I keep on asking this question because war supporters like your good self never have any answers.
Sen. McCain has not addressed this fundamental question either. It is like he and the supporters of this war think money grows on trees or falls from the heavens.
Sen. McCain has also completely failed to address the ever growing connection between the war in Iraq and the rapidly sinking U.S. economy.
Why is Sen. McCain retreating from this issue?
He seems to be of the mind that everything will come up roses if he just wraps himself in the flag and "supports the troops" for however long it takes until "the enemy" is "defeated."
Which he doesn't know.
Just as he doesn't know or have any sensible ideas regarding how to reinvigorate the tanking U.S. economy that his support for the war has helped create.
Superlib, do YOU have any ideas, or are you going to dodge the question and hope no one notices?
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SushiSake3
Interesting - it doesn't look like SuperLib or any of the war supporters on JT can come up with any sensible suggestions regarding where future funding for the Iraq war is going to come from.
Looks like McCain is out of luck - he doesn't have a clue either.....hmmm.....
Republicans - out of ideas, out of luck.
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Sarge
"the tanking U.S. economy"
Dream on, SushiSake3.
"staying there only causes more death and destruction"
Pffft! Staying there has prevented the Islamic extremists from taking over Iraq, SushiSake2.
SuperLib ( to SushiSake 2 or was it 3? ) - "You're saying that the US should take action that would cause more death in Iraq to save some cash."
That's what he won't admit.
Sushi 2/3, we're going to fund this war without your support. Don't worry about it, you don't pay U.S. taxes.
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SuperLib
Sorry Sushi I didn't really have anything more to add. I just wanted to confirm that you want the US to leave Iraq while knowing it will most likely increase the death and destruction if it's done too early.
The only surprise was that you feel this way because you want the US to save money.
Your other comments are mostly trying to just rehash the same debate from 2003, something I'm not interested in doing since we've been over it already and you've nothing new to add. But please, if you feel you need a distraction from your comments above then by all means go ahead. Others are reading.
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Betzee
John McCain's problem is that he's hasn't clearly articulated who we're fighting in Iraq (never mind he has no road map to victory). Al Qaeda is thrown around but the uptick in violence is due to Shia militia infighting:
[Yesterday] Senator John Warner asked the essential question — the one that makes it clear that W. and Cheney hurt the national interest: Is the war making us safer here at home?
General Petraeus avoided answering. But he acknowledged that the “fragile” gains there are “reversible.” [Translation: Despite progress the whole thing could go down the commode at any moment.] “The Champagne bottle,” he told Senator Bayh, “has been pushed to the back of the refrigerator.”
You know you’re in trouble when Barbara Boxer is the voice of reason.
“Why is it,” she asked, “after all we have given — 4,024 American lives, gone; more than half-a-billion dollars spent; all this for the Iraqi people, but it’s the Iranian president who is greeted with kisses and flowers?”
She warmed to: “He got a red-carpet treatment, and we are losing our sons and daughters every single day for the Iraqis to be free. It is irritating is my point.”
Ambassador Crocker dryly assured the senator from California that he believed that Dick Cheney had also gotten kissed on his visit to Iraq.*
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/09/opinion/09dowd.html?hp
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SezWho2
If we are talking about advocating more bloodshed in Iraq we should talk about keeping the troops in Iraq. That is the sure path to more bloodshed. What is in question is whether there is a bloodshed-less Iraq at the end of that path.
A call to remove the troops is not an advocacy for more bloodshed although that might be the result. It is not certain, however, whether the bloodshed due to a removal of troops would be any greater or any longer in duration than their continued presence.
I think it will be difficult for any President to immediately draw down the troops. It makes no difference whether it is McCain, Obama or Clinton. What makes the difference is their individual commitments.
Some are committed to keeping our troops in Iraq as long as it takes to create an ill-defined result. Others are committed to bringing them home. All will look for opportunities to keep their individual commitments.
To date, the results for the as-long-as-it-takes commitment do not look particularly good.
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SuperLib
I agree. But so far it's running in second place compared to what most people think will happen if we remove the troops now.
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DXXJP
Pffft! Staying there has prevented the Islamic extremists from taking over Iraq, SushiSake2. >
Yes sarge to bad they weren't there before. Its been 6 years and you still haven't figured this out.
So you really believe the US economy isn't tanking. What planet are you on. Hell its tanking the world economy. Then on top the US goverment will shore up big business but wont bother to step in and help the damn tax payer thats paying for it keep their damn home.
I really hate to ridicule you sarge but you need to step out of the funny pages and get back into reality.
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Sarge
DXXJP - "( too ) bad they ( Islamic extremists ) weren't there ( Iraq ) before ( the liberation of Iraq )"
What planet did you say you're from?
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SezWho2
SuperLib,
I believe your contention was that to advocate withdrawal is to advocate bloodshed. In that connection, what most people think will happen has little bearing.
Bloodshed will continue if we stay the course. It's duration is unknown and unknowable but there does not seem to be any immediate end to it. Withdrawal may result in increased bloodshed. It may also be the catalyst that is needed to restore something resembling peace.
In any event, those who advocate withdrawal do not perforce have sanguinary motives. And if we governed our actions by what most people think, we would never have invaded Iraq in the first place.
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SushiSake3
Superlib, "Sorry Sushi I didn't really have anything more to add."
That's what I thought - it's very clear now that neither you nor the other war supporters have any idea where funding for the war will come from.
Thanks very much for making that clear.
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RomeoRamenII
When not surrounded by cheering groupies and reading from a teleprompter barack's just ordinary...painfully slow in fact.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/videolog/2008/04/obamaquestionspetraeusand_c.html
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