U.S. Embassy urges China to release American activists

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SezWho2 at 06:51 AM JST - 29th August

Alinsky4prez,

Good! It's always great to find someone else who supports China's right to detain and even imprison people who break its laws on its territory.
DanManjt at 09:55 AM JST - 29th August

My point is clear:

Its not about forgiveness. Its about power.

Your use of forgiveness is sloppy, and ultimately dangerous.

You should be more precise in your language.

Moderator: Back on topic please.
Alinsky4prez at 11:58 AM JST - 29th August

It's always great to find someone else who supports China's right to detain and even imprison people who break its laws on its territory.

And the great thing is laws are arbitrary in China. Barack is right. China is looking good these days!
SezWho2 at 06:48 PM JST - 29th August

DanManjt,

Your point about power isn't clear to me. I have no idea whether you are saying that America asked China to bend to American power or whether you are saying something else. It is somewhat clear that you want to get into a p&ss&ng contest about this, however, and that would seem to account for the escalation of your hostility. Where is that coming from?

It seems to me that both countries are exercising power, China more so than the US. I don't see that there is much that the US could do had China been determined to continue the detention of these American (and other) nationals. You might see that differently, but I don't think you've stated so.
SezWho2 at 06:53 PM JST - 29th August

Alinsky4prez,

A little more sincerity, if you please. I think you knew that we were not "on the same side" when you posted. Your bluff was called and you respond with another insincere post.

I don't think laws are "arbitrary" in China. I think they are probably few and far between in comparison with laws in the US. The lack of detail in China leads to arbitrary enforcement. Arbitrary enforcement, however, is not a uniquely Chinese problem.
DanManjt at 08:36 AM JST - 30th August

I have no idea whether you are saying that America asked China to bend to American power

Not bend. Respect.
SezWho2 at 11:25 AM JST - 30th August

DanManjt,

Why should China respect American power? What do you imagine the consequences would have been of China continuing her prosecution of lawbreakers? I don't really see that there is much that the US could have done.
TheNewZen at 11:36 AM JST - 30th August

IMO, the US has been proven as a "paper tiger".

Let them growl but recent events have shown they can't be the police of the world, no　matter how much posters here say otherwise.

US forces are stretched and it is hurting their economy, nothing new to people in europe/asia as we seen it before. Empires across the globe and ages fell to those same things.

Right now the US don't have the strenght(both military and political) to dictate anything to China or Russia(even without iraq, etc) and don't give me the nukes that would be political/etc suicide and put the US lower than the Islamic fundies.

USA is still in top for now not so sure about 5 or 10yrs in the future.
FreedomOfSpeech at 11:44 AM JST - 30th August

TheNewZen; The US is not a "paper tiger". If we were an aggresive nation,w e would have destroyed Russia and China by now. We are incredibly strong, but we are also the worlds most respected diplomats.

In China we have used diplomacy first. It shall work, as you liberals shall see. The US economy is strong and we are using a small amount of troops in our liberations and peace keeping missions.

The US ensures it is always the world no1 powerhouse, and shall continue to do so. The activists will be ok, China will be admonished and life goes on.

FOS
TheNewZen at 12:01 PM JST - 30th August

Freedomofspeech.

Back up your talk with actions, nuke russia, china, iran, etc. Won't happen because you can't and even if you did you would be more isolated than cuba.

You got to see past the all the political talk. The real countries interactions are on a personal and economic level and NO goverment will interfere there much.

China has replaced the USA as the No.1 buyer from japan. Forget the political stuff chinese/japanese ties got stronger.

Rest is all talk.
TheNewZen at 12:05 PM JST - 30th August

You seem to have forgotten about the wheat shipments from the USA to Russia during the Cold war. Yeah, you fed your own enemy.

Economic ties are the strongest and if you attack the rest of the world those will be cut.

Moderator: You're on the wrong thread. Back on topic please.
TheNewZen at 12:26 PM JST - 30th August

Like I said.

Go ahead and show us your power crush the rest of the world. Come on show us your great power.

And who will you sell your goods to when the rest of the world is gone?
TheNewZen at 01:10 PM JST - 30th August

Ok, back on topic.

China no-longer recognizes the USA as a super-power so they won't listen. For the simple reason that the USA is no military thread to them.

The power game has shifted and China plus India will be the new super-powers soon.
moderateguy2008 at 01:25 PM JST - 30th August

I agree with the conservative guys.

I cannot see India and China reaching he potential of the USA. Their cultures are not as developed as ours regarding the work ethic.

We can work to the worlds highest quality and our employees are second to none.

China shall feel the effect of soft or hard power, if our orders are not complied with.

China is arepressive state, and must rerlease innocents, America will pressure for this, and will achieve it.
DanManjt at 02:12 AM JST - 31st August

Why should China respect American power?

Because that's the name of the game. Jeez, sometimes I really wonder about you...