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SuperLib
Isn't Obama favored by 10-15 points by the population as a whole?
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Sarge
"What did he say? One hundred years or something," Ralph said of McCain."
An example of completely misunderstanding what McCain said. His 100 years comment referred to a possible peacekeeping force, not a century-long war.
"As for Obama, says Ziegler: "He's new and he's young. He's got what seem like new ideas."
But, actually, they're just the same old liberal ideas that have never worked.
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SuperLib
McCain shouldn't have said that, period. He should know that some people will misunderstand what he meant and that others will intentionally misrepresent what he said. The guy from the article sounds like he doesn't quite grasp what McCain's statement was. On this thread we will probably have some good examples of intentional misrepresentation. McCain's basically put himself in a bad position from those who are stupid and those who pretend to be stupid for political gain. He should know better than that.
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Kijimuna
The hundred years comment by McCain was a soundbite disaster. He was trying to say "we'll stay there as long as they need us" but he had no intention of suggesting that a presence would be any different than it is in Korea, Germany or Japan.
I'm enamored with Obama and have never voted for McCain but I am still waiting for him to show me that he is not America's second Jimmy Carter.
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adaydream
McCain's 100 year statement.
John McCain would be more than willing to put untold thousands of Americans again as a peace keeping force, being paid for in US tax dollars for a 100 years.
That's about as stupid as you can get. You republicans bitch and bitch about having to pay taxes, but you're more than willing to sacrifice others lives and untold $Trillions, when it's not our job.
Like Korea, why has the US taken up this calling. Almost 60 years of paying to keep a border enforced. It's not our border, but again you republicans want to pay these tax dollars, but cry when we want to pay for children's health for at risk kids.
And then there's Japan. Another economic super power and we're still occuping forces there? They need to pay for their own protection. But then you're more than willing to pay for their military protection. Let the Japanese pay for their own protection.
But, let's go back to John McCain's 100 years he's willing to dedicate US forces to. We've got a $2.3 Trillion dollar debt coming from the war george bush started by choice. Now John McCain wants us to pay for this occupation and the contractors till your great-grandchildren are long gone. < :-)
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Kijimuna
Gosh adaydream, I hope that vitriol wasn't pointed at me. I've never voted Republican, but I'm also starting to worry that Obama's got a pile of goodwill he seems intent on squandering while he continues the "all things to all people" campaign he's been on the last 2 weeks. McCain's favorite quote is about not mud wrestling with a pig. Obama's recent pandering is going to open him up to allegations of shape shifting and when he hits back, McCain's just going to laugh and point out how he's a politician just like everyone else, only less experienced. It's okay to worry about my party's candidate, I hope.
For the record, I offer McCain's quote, which as I noted was a soundbite disaster. This happened on Jan. 3rd and it's still making the rounds:
"Q: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years — (cut off by McCain)
McCAIN: Make it a hundred.
Q: Is that … (cut off)
McCAIN: We’ve been in South Korea … we’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea 50 years or so. That would be fine with me. As long as Americans …
Q: [tries to say something]
McCAIN: As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That’s fine with me, I hope that would be fine with you, if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Queada is training and equipping and recruiting and motivating people every single day."
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RomeoRamenII
Like Korea, why has the US taken up this calling. Almost 60 years of paying to keep a border enforced. It's not our border
Read a history book sometime. Everyone here realizes you never served in the military otherwise you would know that we are still at war in that part of the world. A peace treaty has yet to be signed. Hence, our continued presence in South Korea. (rolleyes)
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Kijimuna
adaydream, glad to see your clarification that the Japanese, Koreans and Germans are stupid. I'm watching how this thread evolves so I can figure out if your inclinations are toward code pink or ron paul. If you expound on your complaint about spending the nation's wealth by paying for it with printed money, I'll have a better indication...
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SuperLib
Wow, you've insulted Koreans, Japanese, Germans, Italians, et. al. Nice way to start the day. ;)
The "don't play babysitters for a bunch of stupid people that need to handle their own crap" was actually a US policy that started with George Washington and ended with Pearl Harbor. The US learned that stupid people and their stupid crap can sometimes lead to a military strike on your Pacific Fleet.
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adaydream
If I was a republican, I could do nothing but support Ron Paul. He's been the only true republican running for president. These RINOs who talk a good story are all talk.. But Ron Paul understands what's going on.
Ron Paul would be bringing the troops home, as I have advocated.
But, if you want to spend $Trillions of tax dollars on maintaining a force that continues to fund the military machine and contractors in Iraq, support your man. < :-)
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adaydream
The real insult is that we're being sucked dry to keep these troops in all these areas and they actually do nothing to protect the US anymore.
Our troops in Japan are keeping the Japanese from attacking us again?
The troops in Germany are keeping the East and West Germans apart. Oh yeah, the wall was removed.
The troops in Korea are keeping the North Koreans from attacking our western coast?
These troops are protecting us from? ______ Did they protect us against the attack on 9/11? NO!! And the continued troops in Iraq will protect us from? ________ If we wanted such protections to keep another 9/11 from happening again; maybe we need to keep the American people informed, maybe we need to listen to the FBI when they say they know who the terrorist are. Troops in Iraq won't keep our enemies in Iraq. But that's exactly what John McCain is trying to do in following the george bush's policies. < :-)
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Kijimuna
Which man is that? Obama won't be pulling the troops that quickly either. As pointed out, Obama's trying to walk both rails--the war is terrible and the troops should come home, but we should also ensure that the US preserve stability in the Middle East. If anything, I think the North Korea settlement is a signal that the next president may spend day one dealing with fallout over military action engaged against Iran. Most assume that presidents' foreign policies are top-down. Most of the time they're reactionary. The primary difference between a President McCain and a President Obama will be posturing to different core constituencies while trying to achieve the same rough ends.
For the record, you know Code Pink's methods are idiotic when Nancy Pelosi yells at them and the Daily Show openly mocks them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_cV15mipeg
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Taka313
Well...be it Sen. Obama or Sen. McCain that takes over in January, the military will benefit from the fact that both are smart enough to ensure donald rumsfeld never holds a position at the DoD ever again. Now, who will do a better job un-screwing what rummie screwed-up is debatable. Personally, I don't think anyone is smart enough to accomplish that feat in only 8 years.
Taka
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RedMeatKoolAid
“What did he say? One hundred years or something,” Ralph said of McCain. “We’ve got five down and 95 more years to go.”
Sounds really informed. Great catch there, MSM.
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Madverts
meat,
Sounds about as informed a "nearly over"...
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Taka313
'Verts,
Let alone this:
"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
Taka
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nethanyahubush
The best shot the Republicans have for presidency is a new 9/11. In order for Mc Cain to win they will need a 9/11. Do not take my word for it take the Republican word for it.
McCain Campaign Hopes For Terror Attack To Swing Vote
Top McCain strategist Charlie Black tells Fortune Magazine that a terrorist attack on U.S. soil would aid the Arizona Senator to overturn Barack Obama’s lead and be a “big advantage” in helping him become President.
http://visibility911.com/blog/?cat=122
Mc Cain is also the person who wanted to stay in Iraq for 100 years. Where will he get that money from I wonder...
USA millitary is useless. Not only are they criminals but useless too. They need to borrow money from China, Japan to be able to support the unsustainable economy. Their debt is growing faster than Ben Johnson on very strong drugs. US Millitary is the big virus of the century. As USA is trying hard to play the role of a world police man and are not impressing too many people these days apart from not being able to do the job they can not afford it either and they are slowing down the economy in the world too.
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RomeoRamenII
From obama's own website:
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.
To make such rigid campaign promise shows he has no business being CinC. He doesn't take into account circumstances change. He is lost and learning foreign policy on the fly.
The democrats could have done way better than backing obama. They just got suckered into 'image is everything'.
Heh, democrat Lemming Day fast appraches.
RR
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Betzee
Translation: Stupid people are the ones who don't agree with me.
I have little sympathy for those who whine "I was misunderstood." Express yourself clearly and, well, you won't have any problems.
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nethanyahubush
This sounds better than Mc Cain who is hoping for a new 9/11 and wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years and do what he can to make the country go bankrrupt.
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rajakumar
Out of iraq in 16 months, way to go Obama. War presidency will end in 16 months with Obama's rule, real happy news.
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USNinJapan2
Since this article is about which candidate members of the US military are supporting, I'd like to know for whom the other service members here plan on voting come November. Personally I've run into so few pro-Obama service members in uniform that I just don't know where they're hiding. Can they all be in the Air Force or something? : )
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Betzee
2) Sounds really informed.
Two valiant keyboard warriors question the intelligence of someone who's putting his life on the line for an effort they continue to believe in but he has ceased to.
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RomeoRamenII
USN,
When I stop into The New Sanno I ask the active duty folks at the Fairwinds who they think their CinC will be on this day next year. I have yet to hear any of them say it will be obama. When asked why, most of them point out that he shows no loyalty to anyone and they are concerned that they, too, will be thrown under the obama bus in a heartbeat.
RR
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Taka313
I would wager that ramen's unofficial poll is HEAVILY influenced by his own personal politics. When ramen is talking to strangers at a bar about politics, I'd wager most agree with him right off the bat so as not to get him started (just a guess, mind you).
As for me, I wouldn't talk about politics with anyone whom I don't know well. As with religion, it's a very touchy subject and one where people could become easily offended. So, obviously, the people I talk to about politics are more liberal in nature as a whole and therefore, favor Sen. Obama. over Sen. McCain.
For a totally unbiased observation, I offer you this: I've seen 1 Sen. McCain bumper sticker and 2 for Ron Paul but none for Sen. Obama onboard CFAY.
Taka
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LFRAgain
adaydream,
Umm... I understand your frustration with Bush and the self-absorbed, self-righteous a-holes who supported his march into Iraq, but you're waaaaay off base with your comments about American troops stationed in Japan, Germany, and South Korea.
No, our troops are in Japan to keep nations still angry about WWII from attacking Japan.
No, our troops in Germany are fulfilling their treaty obligations as members of NATO and protecting Europe from potential Russian aggression, which isn't something imaginary, given the history between Europe and Russia after WWII.
No, our troops are in South Korea to keep North Korea from attacking Japan and incorporating South Korea by force. If you'll recall, there was a civil war this past century in which North Korean forces were fought to a stalemate at the 38th Parallel. If you'll recall, North Korea and South Korea are still technically in a state of war, having conducted no peace negotiations for the better part of 50 years.
Again, I understand your frustrations, but don't muddy the issue with misunderstandings and misinformation.
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Kijimuna
RomeoRamen, as mentioned before, the line on Obama's website is the posturing he is doing for his base. The overall picture is dramatically different. To wit: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-iraq-minefield/
I think if he doesn't get ahead of this and starts taking a genuinely executive hold of his image and message, his aides will have him shadowboxing every 527 and McCain supporter that talks to the press. All that glow will be forgotten by November. What I'm hoping is that he's got more substance that an empty suit. If he doesn't he shouldn't be president. Photos of the inauguration of the first president of color will be a hugely cathartic moment for the country. The only problem is that from day two on, Obama's true color could show, with that color being green.
I'm no McCain supporter, but the vacuum of leadership in the United States has been and is a danger to global stability. How Israel--3 million people in a country with fewer square miles and world-class universities than New Jersey--can produce more senior statesmen and women, including female heads of state, than the US is more a slap to the US than it is a triumph for the Israelis. The US has some national sh*t to get together.
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RedMeatKoolAid
"Two valiant keyboard warriors question the intelligence of someone who's putting his life on the line for an effort they continue to believe in but he has ceased to."
Ooowwhhhh. Yes, it still amuses after all these years how the Chicken Hawk 'argument' is supposed to be incontrovertible proof of the moral superiority of a group of people who like to call themselves "liberal" when it is about as liberal as the demand that anyone who disagrees with you be sent to the front.
I question not Sgt. Ralph's intelligence, patriotism, or valor, but how well-informed he is on McCain's policies. And I find his narrative a little too convenient for the mainstream media, now openly partisan and even willing to admit it.
Voted twice for Bush! But it turns out he lives in San Diego. What a rare bird in those parts, eh.
I seriously doubt McCain (2 sons been to Iraq) and Obama are viewed equally by those in the armed forces.
Any candidate who wants to cut military spending as drastically as Obama can hardly inspire confidence.
Any candidate who launched his political career from the home of a former terrorist (seen the latest Obama - Bill Ayers vid?) who tried to bomb the Pentagon probably doesn't inspire a whole lot of loyalty.
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Sarge
Taka313 - For a totally unbiased opinion I offer you this: I've seen one McCain T-shirt and zero Ron Paul or Obama T-shirts at the Bangkok Express Snack Bar at the Tomodachi Lanes at Yokota.
Just Secret Sarge
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Sarge
Actually another major successful terrorist attack in the U.S. might get Obama more votes. It would be seen as a failure by many by the current Republican administration to protect us. Of course the fact that the current administration, along with the military, has prevented another attack for nearly 7 years wouldn't count in their minds...
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Kijimuna
MarieDevine, obviously the biggest problem with the syncretic world view in your post is that it only works from a God's-eye view of the world--from thousands of miles up. Down here on earth, we mortals have been bickering about what exactly if anything God has been telling us to do. By word of God in government, I assume you mean Sharia law. Or is it some top ten you've picked from the Quran, New Testament and Tanakh? You should just say so rather than wrapping it in all this fluff.
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