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U.S. ship reaches Kenya minus kidnapped captain

World Apr. 12, 2009 - 06:42AM JST ( 22 )

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Den DenApr. 12, 2009 - 08:44AM JST

Ship reaches Kenya without a captain...Shipping firm can save money by not having captains on ships, and ransoms will be much lower as most crews are poor Philippinos.
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SargeApr. 12, 2009 - 08:55AM JST

Philippine Vice President Noli de Castro: "We hope that before launching any tactical operation against the pirates, the welfare of every hostage is guaranteed"

That would be great, if that was possible. Unfortunately, pirates/terrorists often don't give a rat's behind about their captors.

"any military action in best done in consultation with the United Nations to gain the support and cooperation of other countries"

Sounds good until you realize that by doing that, you greatly reduce the possibility of taking any military action. If the U.S. had waited for support and cooperation from other countries, you-know-who would STILL be in power in you-know-where.
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teleprompterApr. 12, 2009 - 09:37AM JST

"Capt Richard Phillips, 53, of Underhill, Vermont, was seized Wednesday when he thwarted the takeover of the 17,000-ton U.S.-flagged Maersk Alabama, which was carrying food aid for hungry people in Somalia, Rwanda and Uganda."

These big shipping firms care only about da profit!
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teleprompterApr. 12, 2009 - 11:18AM JST

Obama is waiting for the moderates among these pirates to make themselves known.

He will reach out to them.

The world will swoon at his awesomeness.
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likeitisApr. 12, 2009 - 01:28PM JST

Unfortunately, pirates/terrorists often don't give a rat's behind about their captors.

Any make-believe sort of statement to justify violent action, eh Sarge?

First of all, pirates and terrorists are hardly synonymous (that means they are not nearly the same). Terrorists do not have a set gameplan of taking captives for profit. Second, these particular pirates tend to take good care of their captives when they can expect a ransom.

You know, I don't know anything about this captain. But I wish some people with brave words about how some deaths cannot be avoided would go trade themselves for him so we can attack the pirates guilt free.
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Loki520Apr. 12, 2009 - 02:30PM JST

Negotiating with pirates? THIS is the "smart diplomacy" that the Obama administration promised us?

There should only be 1 set of negotiations. Do you prefer to die via aircraft strike, or would you rather have a missile launched at your dumb butt by a ship?
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SuperLibApr. 12, 2009 - 03:24PM JST

likeitis: these particular pirates tend to take good care of their captives when they can expect a ransom.

And when they don't expect a ransom, they don't do it anymore.
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likeitisApr. 12, 2009 - 03:36PM JST

SuperLib: And when they don't expect a ransom, they don't do it anymore.

I hope it did not take you too long to figure that out Super.

So which is more important: the money or the captian?
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MadvertsApr. 12, 2009 - 03:48PM JST

"So which is more important: the money or the captian?"

Neither - the most important is to see these bastards hanging from the yard-arm, whether the poor captain becomes unfortunate collateral damage or not.

This is a rare moment when I would have rather seen Bush deal with the pirates. The US needs to stop pussy-footing around and scuttle the boat - the sheer gall to take on the US Navy from a lifeboat with 4 AK47's truly shows how emboldened this scum have become.
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MadvertsApr. 12, 2009 - 04:07PM JST

"What would he have done?"

Refused to negotiate with pirates that have already shown, have no woird or honour.
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MadvertsApr. 12, 2009 - 04:52PM JST

Maybe afterall they should ask the French to deal with this....
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SuperLibApr. 12, 2009 - 10:11PM JST

Uh, likeitis.....what I was saying was that when they expect no ransom they stop kidnapping people...
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TexasAggieApr. 12, 2009 - 10:42PM JST

11 reporters worked on this story and not one of them could get a comment from Obama?

What's he doing to resolve this situation? Hoping that Capt. Jack Sparrow will rescue Phillips?

Someone needs to tell Obama that hiding under his desk doesn't make him look very presidential.
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Den DenApr. 13, 2009 - 12:20AM JST

Malverts, like all US military (mis)adventures...they fail in the end. 4 AKs an a couple of RPGs can defeat the US navy, as proven. How about the USS Cole? Black Hawk...
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Suzu1Apr. 13, 2009 - 02:37AM JST

A military operation has been carried out and Phillips has been rescued. Three of the pirates were killed; one is in custody.
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JoeBigsApr. 13, 2009 - 09:26AM JST

teleprompter at 11:18 AM JST - 12th April Obama is waiting for the moderates among these pirates to make themselves known. He will reach out to them. The world will swoon at his awesomeness.

As usual your prophecy did not come true. Not only were 3 out of 4 pirates killed, it was President Obama that gave the okay to use force if the Captain's life appeared to be in immediate danger.

Your far right visions need better insight...LOL
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JoeBigsApr. 13, 2009 - 09:30AM JST

TexasAggie at 10:42 PM JST - 12th April 11 reporters worked on this story and not one of them could get a comment from Obama? What's he doing to resolve this situation? Hoping that Capt. Jack Sparrow will rescue Phillips? Someone needs to tell Obama that hiding under his desk doesn't make him look very presidential.

So I do not think President Obama is hiding at all. What ya think? Hell why do I ask, you'll most likely try to give Bush credit for this. LOL

Another far right winger who could not say a darn thing good about President Obama.LOL
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Loki520Apr. 13, 2009 - 04:43PM JST

it was President Obama that gave the okay to use force if the Captain's life appeared to be in immediate danger.

It was Obama that allowed the military to be deployed, but NOT SPECIFICALLY to use force. It is STANDARD MILITARY RULES OF ENGAGEMENT that state a life in danger may be defended, and these do NOT require the concurrence of the CinC. The on-scene commander is the one that made the call to use force.

Obama was correct to deploy the military. Don't try and make it sound like anymore than it actually was.
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JoeBigsApr. 13, 2009 - 08:50PM JST

Loki520 at 04:43 PM JST - 13th April it was President Obama that gave the okay to use force if the Captain's life appeared to be in immediate danger. It was Obama that allowed the military to be deployed, but NOT SPECIFICALLY to use force. It is STANDARD MILITARY RULES OF ENGAGEMENT that state a life in danger may be defended, and these do NOT require the concurrence of the CinC. The on-scene commander is the one that made the call to use force.

Obama was correct to deploy the military. Don't try and make it sound like anymore than it actually was.

You would be correct is this was not an extremely sensitive situation. I know that in the world of the far right President Obama is a bad bad person and a terrible leader. But in this case, President trumps Captain...

Let me help you out a bit as to what happened and why President Obama was asked for permission to use force against the pirates.

Well it turns out that many there are a few ships and their crews being held captive. There is something called D.I.P.L.O.M.A.C.Y that he has been using to make sure that our actions do not cause more loss of life.

Now I know that that bad word (D.I.P.L.O.M.A.C.Y.) is not in the far right wing users handbook. But this President was hoping that his people could end this without getting our friends citizens killed off in retaliations against other hostages.

Let me help you get the big picture so that you may give our President a bit more credit than you have been told to. Following are websites that tell you a story, read them and be amazed....

You may even discover that A President can tell a Captain what to do. I know I know it is hard to believe but he can......

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25326715-5006301,00.html

President Barack Obama granted the Pentagon's request for standing authority to use appropriate force to save the life of the captain, Gortney said. ...

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN12491313

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/04/if_rightblogger.php

They were pointing the AK-47s at the captain,” said Vice-Admiral William Gortney. He added that Barack Obama had authorised the use of force to end the five-day standoff.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/three-pirates-killed-as-us-rescues-kidnapped-captain-1668025.html