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Violent clashes in Jerusalem, West Bank

World Mar. 06, 2010 - 04:58AM JST ( 10 )

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sabiwabiMar. 06, 2010 - 02:52PM JST

The Palestinians have been reluctant, arguing that talks are futile as long as Israel keeps expanding Jewish settlements on land they want for a state.

Its not a question of wanting the land, its Palestinian land NOW. The International Court of Justice clearly stated that all of Gaza, all of the West Bank, and Eastern Jerusalem is Palestinian. So what are Israeli troops and police doing there?
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Wasabi67Mar. 06, 2010 - 03:59PM JST

The LAND .has never belonged to the palestinians... there is no palestine history or language.. they are nothing more than nomads from saudia arabia, jordan, assyria etc... the land belongs to Israel and always will
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Wasabi67Mar. 06, 2010 - 04:00PM JST

Who is the International court of Justice???.. hahah.. what a stupid remark by sabiwabi...LOL
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stevecpfcMar. 06, 2010 - 05:23PM JST

I hope this will not give Israel another excuse to re start the ethnic cleansing policy.
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LIBERTASMar. 06, 2010 - 07:38PM JST

Wasabi67: The LAND .has never belonged to the palestinians... there is no palestine history or language.. they are nothing more than nomads from saudia arabia, jordan, assyria etc... the land belongs to Israel and always will.

Your ignorance of history is only compounded by your willingness to advertise the fact. Considering "israel" just celebrated its 60th "birthday" how can you make the declaration that it always was, when it is patently obvious that it is an artificial construct, and an offensive one at that.
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kinnikuMar. 07, 2010 - 12:18AM JST

The International Court of Justice was merely ruling on the legitimacy of the wall that Israel put up in the territories and saying that it was illegitimate to put up on wall on occupied territory and it says no such thing about 100% belonging to the Palestinians. Now, that is what might result from negotiations, but it does not say that. That is not quite the same as you are saying.

I believe in a Palestinian state made from the West Bank and Gaza created through land for peace negotiations. The reality is that, although it will become the Palestinians state, it has not been Palestinian controlled for hundreds of years. It was controlled by the Ottoman Empire, the British Empire, Jordan and Egypt and now Israel. So, this talk of giving it back to the Palestinians as if it were taken from a Palestinian country is incorrect. BTW, there is no debate that it did belong to Egypt and Jordan. In fact, Jordan even officially annexed it. Funny, did not hear anyone in the international community complaining about that or the Gazans rotting under Egyptian rule. Now that Israel is in control, the Palestinians finally have a chance at getting their nation for the first time in hundreds of years. How is that for irony? It would be nice if both sides took advantage of this irony and made peace through land for peace negotiations as described in the UN and the ICJ and to which all logical and reasonable subscribe instead of this nonsensical fighting over symbols and what have you. Stop fighting and start talking.

What I don't accept is any notion that Israel does not have a right to exist side by side in peace with Palestine. Both sides need to accept this and stop fighting. This idiocy with symbols and violence over basically nothing that we can see in this article should be replaced by the two sides talking until all the disagreements are settled and the two sides can live in peace. That is what I want and what most, if not all, Palestinians and Israelis really want.
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stevecpfcMar. 07, 2010 - 12:25AM JST

kinniku, according to your argument then Israel has no right to the lands as most of its population was shipped in and the country was not formed until last century.
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kinnikuMar. 07, 2010 - 12:48AM JST

stevecpfc,

No, as I wrote, what I don't accept is any notion that Israel does not have a right to exist side by side in peace with Palestine. Both sides need to accept this and stop fighting. This idiocy with symbols and violence over basically nothing that we can see in this article should be replaced by the two sides talking until all the disagreements are settled and the two sides can live in peace. That is what I want and what most, if not all, Palestinians and Israelis really want.

If you cannot see I am saying both the Israeli and Palestinian nations have a right exist, possibly you need to get your eyes examined.
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sabiwabiMar. 07, 2010 - 05:42PM JST

The International Court of Justice was merely ruling on the legitimacy of the wall that Israel put up in the territories and saying that it was illegitimate to put up on wall on occupied territory and it says no such thing about 100% belonging to the Palestinians.

I'm surprised you're still having difficulties with this one. I explained it many times, and I recommended to you to check out Norman Finkelstein's explanation. Before ruling on the legality of the wall, they had to determine who had the legal right to that land, and they found that Israel had no right what so ever to that land, they unanimously ruled that the land belonged to the Palestinians. The International Court of Justice clearly stated that all of Gaza, all of the West Bank, and Eastern Jerusalem is Palestinian.

Israeli troops and police have no business being there. All the settlements on Occupied Palestinian Territories are illegal.

This is not something that needs to be negotiated.