White-supremacist fringe party invited to take part in BBC program

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kinniku at 11:53 PM JST - 24th October

Everyone grows tired of BS after a while.

Well, about one fifth are not tired yet.

One in five 'would consider voting BNP' after Nick Griffin Question Time appearance More than a fifth of the public would consider voting for the British National Party, according to the first opinion poll taken since the appearance of its leader, Nick Griffin, on Question Time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6417906/One-in-four-would-consider-voting-BNP.html#
JoeBigs at 02:00 PM JST - 25th October

I see the Republican party does have a British version. Nice to know that the Brits have the same problem America has with racist political parties....
tanglewood at 03:20 PM JST - 25th October

Once again, failed "liberalism" seems to lead directly to rise of fascist elements:

'The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett. (Telegraph reports)

'He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".'

The rise of angry losers like Nick Griffin is actually quite predictable.
kinniku at 04:03 PM JST - 25th October

JoeBigs,

While there may be Republicans who are racists, I think it is inaccurate to call the US Republican Party a racist political party. Unless you can point to otherwise, I do not believe the Republican party has a constitution/charter that specifically states they will not allow non-whites to be members of the party or to run for the party.

Again, although there may be comparisons with a member or members of the Us Republican Party and the BNP, comparisons on the party level fail. In fact, they tend to detract from how seriously racist the BNP is.
tanglewood at 05:04 PM JST - 25th October

re "I see the Republican party does have a British version."

I see "JoeBigs" has no original thoughts on the matter and is hopelessly ignorant of not only UK politics but also the political landscape of his own country. How sad and embarrassing.
SiouxGirl at 08:29 AM JST - 26th October

Wait a minute. "Indigenous" Britons? There aren't any, are there? Wasn't a lot of Europe settled by Middle Easterns migrating up from the south? I think the British isles have also been settled by scandinavians and Germans. Not only that, but when the flesh and skin comes off a skeleton you can't tell the difference between a Black person and a White person. Meanwhile, my ancestors also fought against immigration for about 400 years. It's a losing battle, especially now that it's easier for people to travel. Me, I'm hoping to be the first Japanese citizen of Native American ancestry, and not just for the awesome Hello Kitty stuff I can get my mitts on. But I'm French and Scottish, too. So many of us are such a mix of everything, it would be best if the supremacists would just get over it and get onto something more productive. Another tip from the Girl - once you start thinking you're superior to someone else, that's 10 demerits. Once you start telling other people you're superior - you've just proven you're not. Now, about those Japanese papers ...
JoeBigs at 09:03 AM JST - 26th October

tanglewood at 05:04 PM JST - 25th October re "I see the Republican party does have a British version." I see "JoeBigs" has no original thoughts on the matter and is hopelessly ignorant of not only UK politics but also the political landscape of his own country. How sad and embarrassing.

How interesting that you did not refute my statement but instead tried to belittle it. By your statement you must be one of the BNP's supporters then? Or am I mistaken?

Actually the present U.S. Republican party is a bit racist and too far to the right for my likings.

Case in point, take the Republican party during the 80's. The Republican's were very conservative and less nationalistic. I considered them (the Republican's) to be Center Right and I was a member. They were closer related to your Tory's than to the BNP.

While today the Republican party has changed and become more nationalistic and less conservative. Their ideals have become more far right and less tolerant. Now they resemble the BNP more than the Troy's.

Take a look at their party policies and see how close they are...

As I said it before "I see the Republican party does have a British version"
WilliB at 06:53 PM JST - 26th October

" The BNP, which opposes immigration and says it fights for “indigenous” Britons "

I wonder how the writer gets from there to "white supremacist". If this was a party of, say, Canadian Eskimos or American Indians, wouldn´t it be lavished with praise?

Who is protection of indigenous culture sometimes good and sometimes bad?
JoeBigs at 10:24 PM JST - 26th October

WilliB at 06:53 PM JST - 26th October " The BNP, which opposes immigration and says it fights for “indigenous” Britons "I wonder how the writer gets from there to "white supremacist". If this was a party of, say, Canadian Eskimos or American Indians, wouldn´t it be lavished with praise? Who is protection of indigenous culture sometimes good and sometimes bad?

Point proven, clear example of why I say the Republican's and the BNP are brothers in tow.

They have the same vision no ifs ands or whats......

tanglewood at 05:04 PM JST - 25th October re "I see the Republican party does have a British version." I see "JoeBigs" has no original thoughts on the matter and is hopelessly ignorant of not only UK politics but also the political landscape of his own country. How sad and embarrassing.

tanglewood..aka teleprompter; I think my point has been proven by the statements of WilliB.....

Again, thank you for the help in proving my point WilliB.....

The Republican Party and the BNP, 2 pigs in a race hate filled pot....
WilliB at 11:54 PM JST - 26th October

JoeBigs:

" Point proven, clear example of why I say the Republican's and the BNP are brothers in tow. "

Huh? I was simply asking a question on principle. If you have an answer, how about giving that, instead of posting personal insults.

Fwiw, I am neither US nor UK citizen and obviously not member of any of their parties.
tigermoth at 12:12 AM JST - 27th October

I traveled to London from the States a few months ago and was surprised at how few people in the city were indigenous or even spoke English. But I live in NYC and the same is true there. It's a double-edges sword. With an influx of immigration that has moved away from white northern Europeans (at least for the States) to more from Asia, the Middle-East, etc where customs and tradtions are so vastly different from our own, it's only natural that friction would occur. And when it goes relatively unchecked it leads to things like the BNP.

But the other edge of the sword could be a rightious and beautiful thing if people on both sides weren't so close-minded and ethnocentric. I love the ethnicity of NYC and it's what makes a sometimes dirty sh*thole tolerable. If you get past appearances and ideologies, people are just people. The idea that some people 'own' or are entitled to certain parts of land in the world is a purley territorial animal thing, and a shame we can't get over that. As Americans we stole our land anyway, but given that (depending upon your belief here - science or hocus-pocus) all the land masses were once one, our exclusive claim to turf is silly. We should as people assimilate and grow rather than quarrel and destory. But that's some Star Trek-like world we don't have.

In my view the BNP are racists, but they are also scary. Why if they are only a 'fringe group'? Well, the NSDAP (that Nazis folks) was a fringe party within Germany as well. And they preyed upon the fact that 'normal' Germans were fed up with the economic collapse and political chaos and ineffectiveness of post-WWI Germany. Sound familiar? They didn't sound so bad, so radical or that racist. They didn't like Jews, but basically they were for Germany for the Germans, and helping their own get back on track financially and politically. They won a few seats here and there without too much notice. We all know what happened. Could it happen again? Certainly.

More to the article, I think that despite this groups obious (well to most) racism - no matter how 'well-disguised' as the view of the common Briton - they should be allowed on the program and to have their say. Discredit them by showing their stupidity rather than ignoring them and hoping they'll go away. Don't give them the chance to say 'see, they're afraid of us because we show them what you're all thinking'. They didn't go away in the 1930's and they won't go away by ignoring them now.

Zucronium you crack me up. It's never a thought out argument with you but just a jab about how whole-heartedly you hate the Republican party. Do you wake up and jab pins in your GB doll?
Patrick Smash at 12:36 AM JST - 27th October
I don't know why anyone's really concerned about the BNP. There's no one-man-one-vote system in the UK. It's all first past the post. Labour and Conservative cannot be challenged regardless of how useless they both are because British democracy forbids proportional representation. So the status quo will not be challenged. I have a few questions:
1. Who voted for the Queen?
2. Who voted for Gordon Brown to be PM?
3. Who voted for the UK to join Europe and hand over 70% of its law-making ability to Brussels?
4. Who voted for the House of Lords and its make up?
5. How is Mandy involved in politics at all?
6. Why does an elected Prime Minister need the permission of an unelected monarch to form a government?
7. Why must any elected politician swear an oath of loyalty to an unelected monarch to take a seat in parliament, even a Republican?
The entire British system is fixed to swing between two main parties, like many other places we could mention. It doesn't matter if 10% support BNP, or 22% even, it makes not an ounce of difference to anything. The system ensures smaller parties have little or no representation, so the opinions of minority parties remain essentially unheard. This is what we Brits mean by democracy.

Quit worrying about Nick Griffin's pack of idiots; Brits don't go in for extremism (or democracy) in a big way, and we never have and never will. Nick Griffin's a total fool anyway, as well as a racist bigot; he'll never really get anywhere.
kinniku at 06:36 AM JST - 27th October

Huh? I was simply asking a question on principle. If you have an answer, how about giving that, instead of posting personal insults.

Is there any particular reason why you have not clicked 'show all' above? The questio has been asked and answered by myself and others numerous times. Please read the responses. The term supremacist group fits perfectly. This has been proven over and over again in this very thread and the other BNP thread.
WilliB at 11:55 AM JST - 27th October

tigermoth:

" If you get past appearances and ideologies, people are just people. The idea that some people 'own' or are entitled to certain parts of land in the world is a purley territorial animal thing, and a shame we can't get over that. "

So, there is no argument to be made to protect the ingenious cultures all around the world? As you say, double-edged sword.
tigermoth at 12:30 AM JST - 28th October

Well certainly there is. My statement is not to mean that people have no right to claims of land per say. But I see what you mean. On the one hand it seems silly that we don't want people to immigrate to 'our lands' because it messes about with our established ways of life - when in fact no one person or group of persons 'own' any land in the existential sense. But at the same time without territorial claims that might be construed as saying it's okay for something like our shameful taking of land from native Americans - which I don't believe to be the case; it's not okay. I suppose it's a compromised medium. The land doesn't belong to any one group to monopolize, but at the same time no group should be forced from an area that they have made as home.

Okay, it all gets too complicated and somewhat impossible in the sense of reality!