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Woman suicide bomber kills 15 in northern Iraq

World Jun. 23, 2008 - 06:41AM JST ( 21 )

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rjd_jrJun. 23, 2008 - 10:39AM JST

No need to worry, things are under control. Fact that women bombers are increasing is proof of al qaeda of arabian peninsula's desperation and decline in influence.
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RedMeatKoolAidJun. 23, 2008 - 12:37PM JST

Was she mentally handicapped, like the female bombers AQ Iraq used last year? Was she a drug addict? Their next line of attack is comprised of children, from what I have been reading. Search Al Qaeda Iraq plus children to see what I mean. After Iraqi children AL Qaeda will have to hope that the international Left will step up and carry on the fight...
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japanyesterdayJun. 23, 2008 - 01:45PM JST

CRIME IS GOING DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i think the meant to say crime is "going down" in slang terms. im the dumbest guy on earth but if i know anything, its that you cant kill every terrorist in the middle east. if i know anything else, its that it only takes one person who's ready to die for whatever reason to carry out an attack.

there have been 21? attacks by females this year and not one female terrorist have been killed by the US or its allies, i would be scared.
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sabiwabiJun. 23, 2008 - 02:04PM JST

A woman suicide bomber concealing explosives beneath her black robe

How do they know this? I get very suspicious since so many of the reported attacks (suicide or not) are obvious false flags. I wonder if this is one too.
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kinnikuJun. 23, 2008 - 05:20PM JST

How do they know this? I get very suspicious since so many of the reported attacks (suicide or not) are obvious false flags. I wonder if this is one too.

That's funny. I get very suspicious when someone comments and obviously hasn't read the article about which they are commenting.

From the article right above:

I was trying to leave the court when the explosion took place,” said one witness, who was wounded by shrapnel but refused to give his name because of fears for his own safety.

“I heard some of the injured people saying they saw a woman wearing a black robe blow herself up.”

Al-Qaida has been increasingly using women because their black, billowing abaya robes easily conceal explosives. Iraqi police often lack enough policewomen to search women carefully.

So, you seem to be claiming many of the reported attacks are obvious false flags. How do you know this? Do you actually have any proof?
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kinnikuJun. 23, 2008 - 05:21PM JST

Obviously, the last line is from me, not from the article.
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sabiwabiJun. 23, 2008 - 05:56PM JST

So all we have is one guy, who refuses to give his name, claiming he heard others saying they saw a woman blow herself up. I guess some people might consider that proof.

Anyway, until I am convinced by proof, real proof, I will not consider this a suicide bombing. But I am not yet assuming it to be a false flag either. I just don't know and I don't trust the news, especially from that region. There have been too many fishy stories from there.
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MadvertsJun. 23, 2008 - 06:01PM JST

sabiwabi,

Who the hell would want to pass this off for aynthing other than the suicide bombing it was?
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kinnikuJun. 23, 2008 - 06:03PM JST

There have been too many fishy stories from there.

For example? What you write is extremely vague. You have mentioned that you believe that many of the reports of suicide bombings are 'obviously false flags'. Then you wondered if this one was too. Again, what proof do you have of any false flags whatsoever?

By the way, are you somehow surprised by the fact the Iraqis would prefer not to give their names when they are interviewed. This is not that uncommon. I've even seen people in other countries refuse to give their names. That does not neccessarily mean that they are lying. It could also mean they are afraid.
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MadvertsJun. 23, 2008 - 06:19PM JST

The only fishy story I can think of is the two British SAS agents, dressed as insurgents and armed to the teeth that were stopped by the Iraq police in a car full of explosives. Heh, an believe it or not, the British army then went on to break them out of jail.

That's fishy.

This is just another routine suicide bombing.
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kinnikuJun. 23, 2008 - 06:26PM JST

Madverts,

That does sound fishy. When did this happen? Were they actually wearing masks and the whole deal as the drove along?
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MadvertsJun. 23, 2008 - 06:29PM JST

Kinniku,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4264614.stm

Doesn't mention the explosives, but the initial reporting did, I'm sure.
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kinnikuJun. 23, 2008 - 06:32PM JST

Madverts,

Thanks for that. It certainly would be even more interesting to see the article that does mention the explosives. According to the BBC, it seems the men were working under cover. That would certainly explain the 'fancy dress'.
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MadvertsJun. 23, 2008 - 07:04PM JST

Kinnuki,

It's probably just another red-eyed conspiracy à la sabiwabi, but there was a lot of people claiming the CIA were behind the initial bombings post invasion to stir up trouble between the ethnic factions to easier take control.

That certainly looks ridiculous now. But who knows...
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MadvertsJun. 23, 2008 - 07:17PM JST

Also Kinnuki,

The problems started in that case because the SAS bods actually shot at the Iraqi police rather than stop.
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MadvertsJun. 23, 2008 - 07:18PM JST

And the UK denied storming the prison initially.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200509/s1463925.htm

Yup, it's definitely fishy to me, un-like this story.

sabiwabi?
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ca1ic0catJun. 23, 2008 - 09:11PM JST

What is interesting is that the al-quaida #2 (what's his name) insists that they would never use women in such a way, that women should be home raising future terrorists.

Of course this also means that al quaida is also going to kill more of their fellow Muslims, which they said they shouldn't be doing....

Of course this might mean that in the future moderate Islam might go against the "billowing black robes" as being a sign of fanaticism rather than religious modesty. So al quaida might be undermining the very thing they say they support.
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SargeJun. 23, 2008 - 10:52PM JST

"Grand Ayatollah"

How different is that from the Grand Wizard?
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MadvertsJun. 23, 2008 - 11:29PM JST

"How different is that from the Grand Wizard?"

It's a costume design thing. Though the wizard always wins...
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SargeJun. 24, 2008 - 07:13AM JST

Madverts - Good one.
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kinnikuJun. 24, 2008 - 10:43AM JST

Madverts,

Thank you for your comments and your links. I guess it depends on what you mean by 'fishy'. Certainly the actions of the SAS soldiers should be under question. However, sadly undercover work and a disregard for the local community tend to be a very tragic part of most wars and occupations. I have seen footage of humvees in Iraqi traffic ramming the vehicles in front of them rather than be stopped in traffic and risk being shot or blown up. At first look, they seem to be very insensitive to the local people. Yet, it seems they just don't want to be killed. However, it does not make these actions acceptable either.

The continued problems in Iraq stem from absolutely horrible planning and implementation after the 'war' finished. The reason these incidents happen is because the US and British forces did not and still do not have control of the country in the way they should. That creates an environment in which you get British soldiers preferring to shoot at Iraqi police rather than stop.

As far as the CIA theory you mentioned goes, I think the Allied forces (or whatever they are calling themselves these days) managed to make a mess of things without needing such distablization plans. Unfortunately, a complete lack of Middle Eastern culture and politics was demonstrated in the inability of the US forces to take complete control of Iraq in the initial days after the war.