Woman suicide bomber kills 15 in northern Iraq

Monday 23rd June, 06:41 AM JST

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sabiwabi at 05:56 PM JST - 23rd June

So all we have is one guy, who refuses to give his name, claiming he heard others saying they saw a woman blow herself up. I guess some people might consider that proof.

Anyway, until I am convinced by proof, real proof, I will not consider this a suicide bombing. But I am not yet assuming it to be a false flag either. I just don't know and I don't trust the news, especially from that region. There have been too many fishy stories from there.
Madverts at 06:01 PM JST - 23rd June

sabiwabi,

Who the hell would want to pass this off for aynthing other than the suicide bombing it was?
kinniku at 06:03 PM JST - 23rd June

There have been too many fishy stories from there.

For example? What you write is extremely vague. You have mentioned that you believe that many of the reports of suicide bombings are 'obviously false flags'. Then you wondered if this one was too. Again, what proof do you have of any false flags whatsoever?

By the way, are you somehow surprised by the fact the Iraqis would prefer not to give their names when they are interviewed. This is not that uncommon. I've even seen people in other countries refuse to give their names. That does not neccessarily mean that they are lying. It could also mean they are afraid.
Madverts at 06:19 PM JST - 23rd June

The only fishy story I can think of is the two British SAS agents, dressed as insurgents and armed to the teeth that were stopped by the Iraq police in a car full of explosives. Heh, an believe it or not, the British army then went on to break them out of jail.

That's fishy.

This is just another routine suicide bombing.
kinniku at 06:26 PM JST - 23rd June

Madverts,

That does sound fishy. When did this happen? Were they actually wearing masks and the whole deal as the drove along?
Madverts at 06:29 PM JST - 23rd June

Kinniku,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4264614.stm

Doesn't mention the explosives, but the initial reporting did, I'm sure.
kinniku at 06:32 PM JST - 23rd June

Madverts,

Thanks for that. It certainly would be even more interesting to see the article that does mention the explosives. According to the BBC, it seems the men were working under cover. That would certainly explain the 'fancy dress'.
Madverts at 07:04 PM JST - 23rd June

Kinnuki,

It's probably just another red-eyed conspiracy à la sabiwabi, but there was a lot of people claiming the CIA were behind the initial bombings post invasion to stir up trouble between the ethnic factions to easier take control.

That certainly looks ridiculous now. But who knows...
Madverts at 07:17 PM JST - 23rd June

Also Kinnuki,

The problems started in that case because the SAS bods actually shot at the Iraqi police rather than stop.
Madverts at 07:18 PM JST - 23rd June

And the UK denied storming the prison initially.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200509/s1463925.htm

Yup, it's definitely fishy to me, un-like this story.

sabiwabi?
ca1ic0cat at 09:11 PM JST - 23rd June

What is interesting is that the al-quaida #2 (what's his name) insists that they would never use women in such a way, that women should be home raising future terrorists.

Of course this also means that al quaida is also going to kill more of their fellow Muslims, which they said they shouldn't be doing....

Of course this might mean that in the future moderate Islam might go against the "billowing black robes" as being a sign of fanaticism rather than religious modesty. So al quaida might be undermining the very thing they say they support.
Sarge at 10:52 PM JST - 23rd June

"Grand Ayatollah"

How different is that from the Grand Wizard?
Madverts at 11:29 PM JST - 23rd June

"How different is that from the Grand Wizard?"

It's a costume design thing. Though the wizard always wins...
Sarge at 07:13 AM JST - 24th June

Madverts - Good one.
kinniku at 10:43 AM JST - 24th June

Madverts,

Thank you for your comments and your links. I guess it depends on what you mean by 'fishy'. Certainly the actions of the SAS soldiers should be under question. However, sadly undercover work and a disregard for the local community tend to be a very tragic part of most wars and occupations. I have seen footage of humvees in Iraqi traffic ramming the vehicles in front of them rather than be stopped in traffic and risk being shot or blown up. At first look, they seem to be very insensitive to the local people. Yet, it seems they just don't want to be killed. However, it does not make these actions acceptable either.

The continued problems in Iraq stem from absolutely horrible planning and implementation after the 'war' finished. The reason these incidents happen is because the US and British forces did not and still do not have control of the country in the way they should. That creates an environment in which you get British soldiers preferring to shoot at Iraqi police rather than stop.

As far as the CIA theory you mentioned goes, I think the Allied forces (or whatever they are calling themselves these days) managed to make a mess of things without needing such distablization plans. Unfortunately, a complete lack of Middle Eastern culture and politics was demonstrated in the inability of the US forces to take complete control of Iraq in the initial days after the war.