Women protest as French cabinet gets veil ban bill
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goddog
Excellent law. Next law should be that everyone in France be able to speak French.
Am wondering...does she ever bathe?
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djuice
Wonder if any will get veil tattoos on their faces?
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LIBERTAS
My experience of citizenship in France is that it is often an experience of everything uncovered, especially this time of the year. But, Sarko has a point. The Republic is a secular establishment, lots of heads-a-rolling in the Place de la Concorde proved that. To France's credit it bans ALL religious symbols in public life, not just Islamic ones. Egalite for everyone, or not at all. Islam was founded in 610 AD, time for an update to the 21st century, especially when the Qur'an suggests modesty in public, not at the cost of social unrest . Folks can do what they like in the privacy of their own homes. In public you're either a citizen or you're not. Ya can't have it both ways.
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WilliB
"Women protest" is a totally misleading deadline.
Only muslim zealots protest against the ban, some of them women, and among those it is hard to tell how many are speaking for the men that own them.
And just as absurd is AI's expert, who declares that the sack is an expression of "identity". A world upside down.
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MistWizard
Well so much for liberty and egalitarianism in France. Will this law cover allergy masks, dust masks, SARS masks and Halloween masks too? How about motorcycle helmets? How about facial prostetics for people with missing parts and deformaties? What about make-up? Make-up is nothing but gel and powder masks, thin but effective. Will disguises also be illegal now? Can we still dye our hair? How about glasses? Can you grow a beard even though your ID pic does not contain one?
They want to pass a law to stop people forcing others to wear certain clothes? Fine, then prosecute the husband who forces his wife to cover her cleavage too. Because some women actually want to show their cleavage, but some actually want to cover both that and their face and its got nothing to do with orders from a man.
And this law will not stop anyone from wearing a mask and committing a crime if that is what you are thinking. Guys with panty hose over their faces will still appear. Give me a break! And don't even think about pre-empting a "possible" problem by tossing liberty down the drain. If and when France gets a crime wave of people wearing Islamic veils, I will be right here to agree with laws like this. Until then, I have to be against. Sheer paranoia is never a sound basis for law, sorry. Buck up princess, and dare to live with the uncertainties of freedom! Or go live in Saudi Arabia or China. There is no waiting for suspension of freedom in those places! You can enjoy a secure lack of freedom today! So what are you waiting for? Just get out of free countries before something bad happens!
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MistWizard
LIBERTAS, married Muslim men are often expected to grow beards. So does a beard now become a religious symbol, or is that only for Muslim men?
Does this mean a non-Muslim woman can wear a veil? Also, is a priest not allowed to wear his collar in public? Does a Franciscan monk have to cover his halo hair-do?
Frankly, I think most people for this just want to oppress Muslims, and everything else they say is just a front.
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Zenny11
Most companies I worked for had special rules for muslims regarding beards and extra long lunch-breaks on fridays to attend mosque.
They can be accomodated same as Jews(who don't travel after sundown on fridays, etc.)
But again those are sensitive things.
Lets say you allow a muslim woman to wear a veil, than you also need to allow christian to wear the cross, etc.
Most countries rules are NO visible signs of someones faith and that includes veils too.
Tricky subject I agree and gets muddled when certain religions insist on exceptions. Like christian prayer/cross in schools etc.
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WilliB
MistWizards:
All that is accounted for in the law and allowed. But to separate the islamic sack from the islamist ideology that underlies it is naive. Note that moderate muslims do NOT wear the thing, and secular muslim countries like Turkey actually outlaw it.
To insist that the islamist symbol of domination over women is just a fashion statement completely misses the point. By the same logic you could also argue that the KKK dress is just that.
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WilliB
Zenny:
That´s not true, and am sure nobody in France would object to muslim women wearing a crescent moon. The point is that wearable tent turns all women from indiduals into an amourphous black mass (or blue in case of the Taliban). And that is of course the point if radical islam, where a woman is always the property of a male, like a farm animal.
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LIBERTAS
Not quite, farm animals have assessable monetary value. In radical Islam women do not, they can't even be sold.
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Madverts
"In radical Islam women do not, they can't even be sold."
Everything is for sale.
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Madverts
Not seen any protests here....
12 years I've been here and I've plenty of complaints. Putting Islam and all other religions where they belong, however, is not one of them.
Vive la République!
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Zenny11
WilliB.
Knows little about Islam culture.
Yes women can do few things(in public) but at home they are the MASTER. Neither to they wait in queues at banks, etc.
Same way the view on multiple marriages(those are not mormons). Muslims got very strict rules as to when they can take a 2nd, etc wife and they need approval from current wifes.
Not a muslim myself but do know a fair bit of their religion and customs( as I do about christian, judaism, hindu, etc).
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OssanAmerica
Trash the veils. The freedom to wear what you want exists when that and other freedoms are not threatened. Wearing a veil, ie; inadvertently evading identification, is a security problem that threatens those freedoms. Wear your veil in your home or move to a veil wearing country.
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Bebert61
Not only outlaw the veils, outlaw the hoods and masks that those left-wing anarchists wear whenever they decide to pansy-riot by smashing store windows and throwing rocks and bottles at police and anyone else they disagree with.
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MistWizard
I can't think of anything comparable to the KKK costume, except maybe a kid's ghost costume. But things like veils and headscarves are hardly unique to Islam. Is she a lady in mourning, or a suicide bomber? http://www.flickr.com/photos/crimsongriffin/3165213685/ And some wedding veils are pretty thick too. Do you watch movies?
How do you know? And what is the difference? Like I said, the difference is what oppresses Islam and what does not. If everyone is going to shut their faces if Muslim women resort to wearing allergy masks, then they really ought to just shut their faces now.
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illsayit
Perhaps the confusion is where the words gender equality and secular are used together. Secular definitely doesnt mean gender equality. Maybe the French see the male and female as equal? And if that is the case, it surely is a small amount of people arguing for women's rights.
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