Suspected Russian plane violates Japanese airspace

This is somewhat important ?

Hokkaido is not glowing in the dark yet, they should count themselves lucky instead of trying to play the big boys...

 

You seem to have a very angry temperament and react hostile to just about anything and everything. Countries around the world do not allow foreign planes into their airspace without permission. Those who violate sovereign airspace can face potentially fatal consequences. US guys in a Cessna in Cuban airspace few years back? Korean airliner in Russian airspace further back from that? If a Chinese bomber flew into US airspace would that also get the veins in your neck bulging if it was reported?

 

The point is the russian are violating the japanese airspace quite often.

 

a "mystery plane" until they asked the americans to check it out for them

 

It was a mystery plane because it didn't identify ifself as belonging to any country, americans aren't going to help the plane indentify itself. I live next to the Chitose(Hokkaido) JASDF airbase and they almost always fly an interception mission once a week.

 

able to play with the big boys. However one might realize with little effort that Japan has money, technology and the manpower to do what they please. One may also guess that IF the gov decides to invest heavily in the military they could easily equal the US. If you were working for gov intel you would probably know that it would take Japan under 2 hours to arm an H2 rocket with a nuclear warhead. I'm sure you also realize Japan is the most heavlily nuclear powered country which I hope they will get rid of soon. I truly hope Japan will never have a full powered military and I hope you do as well!! I also wish Japan would stop funding the US weapons program, working together to make even more weapons of mass distruction and basically developing most of the hightech weapons for the US.

 

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=17&ItemID=9249

U.S. Trade with Japan in Advanced Technology Products - Monthly and Cumulative Data
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/pro...

The Science and Technology Resources of Japan: A Comparison with the United States
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf97324/chp6.htm#trade

 

"I truly hope Japan will never have a full powered military and I hope you do as well!"

No one who knows anything about Japan's military and capabilities is going to argue with you in that respect.
But pray tell why Japan's military potential, a country that hasn't harmed a fly in 60 years, and still denounces war as a means of diplomacy, is somehow a bigger concern to you than the PROCs current existing military capabilities. China has fought numerous times in the last 50 years, maintains a nuclear arsenal and poses a threat to US and other Asian nations? Has it occured to you that it is the threat posed by the communist dictatorships of the PROC and the DPRK that causes free democratic nations to be prepared?

 

You want people to be sitting ducks for the communist china and N.K. to run over?

Japan has every freaking right to be prepared.

You anti-nuke people are stupid.

 

What's wrong with nuclear power? Japan can't afford to shut down its existing reactors.

As for the military capabilies of the JSDF, you over estimate them. Hi-tech helps but isn't the deciding factor not does it win conflicts, and you'd be surprised how deficient the JSDF are here, lacking basics that we in the US military take for granted. It takes actual people willing to take up arms and to serve in the military and Japan simply doesn't have citizens lining wanting to defend their country. The JSDF are well equipped, strictly for a defensive mission, but is not much more than a thin line of defense. Without the US presence in Japan, it would take the PRC a whole day or two to overcome the JSDF defenses. Unfortunately the ships steaming into Tokyo Bay won't be Black Ships but Red Ships.

 

Totally!, JASDF,JMSDF,JSDF, You name it, I work with these guys on a daily basis. They are not ready for an attack by the PROC, or the DPRK, by far. They only have a defensive posture in place now. Pre-emptive strikes are out of the question! If the Japanese went offensive then we could just go home and watch them rip each other apart. There's a rason for having the Cowboys in town. One Shot one Kill! They knew where to fly and basically they were tesing the Japanese. Do you think they would have pulled that stunt around Atsugi or Okinawa even Misawa...Don't think so.

 

I did say thay have the means to do so. It may take 5 years to get prepared from today, but it can be done, but of course I hope they don't even consider it. I find that many Westeners underestimate the Japanese, but I can assure you Japan citizens are easily motivated just like any other country to do stupid things were faced with propaganda.

 

No, you said:

Little effort? Invest heavily, five years of preps? Well, which is it? Easy or Hard? 5 years is a very optimistic outlook, particularly when it would take that many years just to ammend the constitution to make the transition possible. You obviously don't know first-hand how "capable" the JSDF are. New equipment and flashy recruitment commercials aren't what make a force battle ready.

You've said everal times that you're against the idea of Japan empowering itself militarily and hope against it ever happening. Out of curiosity, does this mean that you support the existing Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between Japan and the US, and the resulting US military presence in Japan?

 

I never said Hard either. I said if the WANT to!! they could easily built a strategic defense force becuase they already have the resources. I am not taking into account any laws, constitutions, public outbreaks, protests, world bashing, etc. Likewise Japan has found it rather easy WHEN comparing to other countries when making Nuke power stations, launching rockets & satellites, advanced robotics, cybernetics, biotech, even religious cult groups making sarin & VXgas. I am also saying when put in a tight spot humans do stupid things. If it came to it every man and woman would fight some N.K soldier who marches through Tokyo broke in to their house and tried to abduct their child. Unrealistic as it may seem, if any other country in the world would retaliate what makes you think only Japan would just sit and wait to be killed? Humans do tend to put up a fight unless they have already given up. Yes, Japan is a peacefull country compared to most, but it has it's share of horific crimes, the average guy/gals watches action/horror/war movies, play tactical/shooting/combat games, listen to disturbing music, shout and threaten wifes & husbands and all the other things we wish humans didn't enojoy, but do.

The pros and cons of nuclear power is another topic, but I fail to see why anyone would want to support it. Japan could easily affort to buy every house hold in the country to have solar power roof tiles than importing oil, natual gas and building nuke stations. Mass production would put the price below 1millionYen (I don't even want to know how much Japan spends on just keeping the Middle East happy, just so they have a right to oil, sounds like blackmail to me)

My view of how Japan should be is actually stupid. You wouldn't understand. But, I'll give it a try. Japan should be the first neutral country in the world to have no military. Unlike Switzerland or Norway they should globally announce (or denounce) all use of weapons, to not take sides in disputes, not intervene in any International military exercise, etc... Basically, to be the first country in the world to take a stand and make a point. We all know that the US is not going to back out of the arms race, they profit from war. Japan however as a super power is in a unique possition becuase they are the only country in the world that does not have a military agenda. What I am saying is go that one more step that you would not risk. Kind of like giving up your shotgun when you decide to move from the US to the UK becuase your not allowed to own a gun, but on a global level.

The consequeces of this action? N.K may shoot a few missiles in to central Tokyo... ummm China will invade Japan... something tells me just becuase Japan is defenceless not many countries would actually wage war. I mean if they wanted to distroy Japan they would anyway. We only imagine that we need to have more fire power than the enemy, but the reality is it's just a vicious circle. Even in the US many most citizens choose not to carry an armed gun on them. Why? We know why. Somethings just take longer to happen and sometimes it happen over just when we least expect it. Japan could change world history, just maybe not this year :-)