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Jayel (Feb 15 2007 - 22:28) | Rate | Report |
The more I read your Mr Saka"s opinion of his own magazine the more my blood boils. He sounds xenophobic despite his appeal that he isn't. Why target a minority of criminals in Japan? I can only assume he wants to sensationalize the magazine by targeting foreigners. Perhaps it will appeal to the Japanese ideals of "them and us"? more sale more money!
If he had printed a magazine with both sides of the story, one half foreign criminals, butlook! the 2nd half of the magazine contains good things foreigners also do for the community in Japan, I would applaud the man.
So what if a black man gropes his girlfriend in public? perhaps they are a couple who like to show their affections. And why say that your magazine is not racist then back this up with arguments that during the war Japanese were called "Monkeys"? do I detect bitterness? anger? an inferiority complex? an attempt to retaliate?
Nothing good can come of publishing this type of magazine no matter how much good intention Mr Saka had when he thought up the idea.
| A very clever, but wrong justification. |  |
Ahmadinejad (Feb 15 2007 - 22:29) | Rate | Report |
What a warped mind, indeed. Very sad to see this in 2007.
| Y'know guys |  |
sandal (Feb 15 2007 - 22:30) | Rate | Report |
He has some points.
There is definitely a problem with crime by Chinese and Brazilians.
Immigration should be tighter on these nationalities.
But most crime in Japan is yakuza controlled.
In many cases they use the Chinese, Iranians or
whoever to do their stuff. But tackling the yakuza is something
only done when they really overstep themselves.
| Why I published 'Foreigner Underground Crime File:' Editor makes his case and responds to critics |  |
joffal (Feb 15 2007 - 22:33) | Rate | Report |
He gives himself away by saying
I would ask that they consider how quick their own culture is to view the Japanese as subhuman. In World War II you labeled us "monkeys," and in the bubble economy years, you considered us "economic predators."The army of bloggers who bullied FamilyMart convenience stores into removing "Gaijin Hanzai Ura Fairu" from their shelves have decided for everyone else that this book is so dangerous that it cannot be read Self pity
if we can manage to openly discuss the issue of foreign crime in Japan vs the higher quality domestic product
He should have said we thought that if it was dramatic it would sell better
| Why I published 'Foreigner Underground Crime File' |  |
smartacus (Feb 15 2007 - 22:33) | Rate | Report |
The guy's got guts writing this piece, but no sense. It's in Metropolis magazine this week, minus the usual face photo of the writer. I guess he figured he'd be attacked. He really should have left well enough alone and let the issue die down. He doesn't advance his cause one bit in this article. No doubt he will be reading all our comments and will respond sometime tomorrow.
Moderators, you're going to be kept busy on this one.
| The 'n' word |  |
Ahmadinejad (Feb 15 2007 - 22:35) | Rate | Report |
is just not acceptable and for this editor to try to make a case for it in an English editorial is sick. Again, what a truly sick mind. I just hope that he is not representative, but a part of mefears that he may well be just that.
| "Foreigner Underground Crime File" must be good. |  |
Suica (Feb 15 2007 - 22:36) | Rate | Report |
This book must be good to educate how japanese should look at foreigners. Needless to say, not all foreigners are criminals but it is certain, and the number is growing.
We must know them and prepare them.
| Whose mistake? |  |
sandal (Feb 15 2007 - 22:38) | Rate | Report |
>on June 19, 2003, three Chinese nationals murdered a Japanese family >— a mother, father and two children aged 8 and 11 — and dumped their >bodies into a canal in Fukushima.
This was surely in Fukuoka.
I remember at the time I thought there must have been yakuza involvement, but there wasn't. There have been cases where Chinese would kill for what we would consider a very small amount of money.
| Suica |  |
Ahmadinejad (Feb 15 2007 - 22:39) | Rate | Report |
SO, Suica, what percentage of foreigners do you think ARE criminals? 'not all' means 70%, 80%? WHat do you mean? As the foreign population rises, of course crime will increase. That's a statistical certainty. Is the Japanese rate also rising?
when are you publishing yr companion book on crime committed by japanese, certainly a lot of material available.....
Me, I dont criminals be they japanese or non-japanese, yr rag makes it look like foreigners are highly likely to be very dangerous people & thats simply a lie, going by the numbers japanese are more dangerous simply because there are many japanese in jpn, of course no surprise there, but again no expose mag from you on that crime which of course far far exceeds crime by non-japanese.
Again I reiterate I dont like any criminals whatever their nationality. If saka wants to start a healthy deabte about crime fine, no problem, but be sure to include the yakuza, LDP, beaurocrats & yr everyday local criminals as well then maybe you wud be takedn seriously instead of being seen as seriously racist & totally wrong in yr pov!
gw
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Ahmadinejad (Feb 15 2007 - 22:42) | Rate | Report |
apology from this editor AND this site for allowing this garbage to be printed. I assume one will be forthcoming when the error is realized. How insulting.
| self justification |  |
blue_monday (Feb 15 2007 - 22:47) | Rate | Report |
This statement is just an attempt at self justification, he didn't expect the reaction he got, probably thinks foreigners can't read kanji.
We didn't mention "keto" or "sankokujin", so spare us the "monkey" line.
If there was no advertising who financed the magazine ?
| maybe someone |  |
GW (Feb 15 2007 - 22:48) | Rate | Report |
shud send copies of this rag to the olympic committee seeing as tokyo wants the olympics, the committee might be interested in opinions such as saka`s
gw
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Ahmadinejad (Feb 15 2007 - 22:50) | Rate | Report |
I suggest pulling this article or writing some kind of disclaimer regarding the contents as there are aspects that may be deeply hurtful to some of your readers. Why hurt readers of African origin unnessarily?
| Why I published 'Foreigner Underground Crime File:' Editor makes his case and responds to critics |  |
Motownboi (Feb 15 2007 - 22:55) | Rate | Report |
"Bloggers ....have blurred the faces of Japanese people but not those of foreigners. Let me respond by saying that, if we had covered up the foreigners' faces, the reader wouldn't be able to recognize them as foreign, and the illustrative power of the image would be lost."The illustrative power of the image to evoke anger among the Japanese society is how I interpret the editor's justification.
"It's true that American guys grope their Japanese girlfriends daily on the streets of Tokyo."
We all know some of the Japanese girls are so obsessed with dating "White" or "Black" people and treating them like rock stars. I am actually interested in the topic of why Japanese girls are so fond of dating foreigners, how about some psychological analysis of Japanese girls from the editor? By the way, in N. America it's not rare to see guys groping their girlfriends and girls groping their boyfriends on the streets. Just because Japanese men aren't doing it that does not give the editor the right to criticize foreigners who are doing it.
"In World War II you labeled us monkeys"If Japanese army did not go out there killing and raping, would they be labeled as monkeys?
| Why I published 'Foreigner Underground Crime File:' Editor makes his case and responds to critics |  |
peeping_tom (Feb 15 2007 - 22:56) | Rate | Report |
Go on Shigeki, keep them coming; I’m with you 110%. Glad to hear from a Japanese with enough guts to state the obvious! One thing is a crime committed by a national, quite differently by a foreigner. Just like a patricide/matricide is more severely punished, so it should be with foreign criminals. Don’t feel intimidated by the “Oh, but Japanese commit crimes as well” type of argument! Japanese criminals don’t terrorise our people here in Britain! Why should the Japanese have to put up with foreign malefactors? Foreigners should not commit crimes when living in somebody else’s country; that’s the bottom line! Too much liberalism is the root cause of our abysmally high crime rate. Don’t allow this to happen to Japan.
| The editor's reply is welcome |  |
Ah_so (Feb 15 2007 - 22:56) | Rate | Report |
I must welcome the editor's decision to submit a reply to give balance to this controversy. I think it is fair to admit that some foreigners do behave badly in public by Japanese (and often Western) standards. There is also a lot of crime committed by some sections of the foreign community.
However, there are large parts of the article and the original piece that many will have problems and I was struck by a couple:
The use of the term "niga" (clearly derived from "nigger"). The claim that it is not an offensive term in Japanese is hardly valid. It is clearly used in a derogatory and emotional context and refers to the skin colour of the individual. How could this not be racist?
Furthermore, the term "nigger" in English was also once quite respectable in the early 20th century (at least in Britain). You could buy a shade of paint "nigger brown" and dogs were often named that after their colour. See Evelyn Waugh's "Decline and Fall" for example, in which an African American plays a role. These terms fell from use because they are deeply offensive to those whom they are used.
The cartoon charicatures of foreigners are also offensive, although you may argue that the same approach would have been taken had they been Japanese criminals. However, it draws attention to the difference in appearance between Japanese and foreigners in a negative way.
Lastly I would ask how this would affect a reader's opinion of foreigners generally after reading this? What would a mother think on hearing that her daughter had started dating a Brazilian - would she be less enthusiastic about a union? I suggest she would be, and by increasing her tendency to pre-judge, this marks the work out as racist.
Of course we should (heavy sarcasm). Along with all the literature from the KKK, or other similar groups that are in almost all countries.
The result of getting it dragged from the shops has been very successful. The only way I can see it could have come out better is if it brought a balanced conversation into the Japanese press who seem to have ignored the issue so far.
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whatsgood (Feb 15 2007 - 23:03) | Rate | Report |
isn't everyone in the world of African origin?
isn't the N-work KKK slang?
| Why I published 'Foreigner Underground Crime File:' Editor makes his case and responds to critics |  |
backlash_wave (Feb 15 2007 - 23:12) | Rate | Report |
The N word does not have the same meaning for all people of African descent, and he should not place all people of African descent in the same category seeing as many Black Americans really don't consider themselves African.
| Why I published 'Foreigner Underground Crime File:' Editor makes his case and responds to critics |  |
joffal (Feb 15 2007 - 23:13) | Rate | Report |
SEND A COPY TO JESSE JACKSON
HE CAN ASK TOYOTA , SONY, NINTENDO, HONDA, MITSUBISHI, PANASONIC, SHARP...ect if it is ok if BLACKS buy their products.
He might mention it on his radio program.
| Why I published 'Foreigner Underground Crime File:' Editor makes his case and responds to critics |  |
joffal (Feb 15 2007 - 23:16) | Rate | Report |
The pressure he can generate can squish by asking questions like that to those companies can squish a rotten guy flatter than a toad on a desert highway
| Content vs. Presentation |  |
sk4ek (Feb 15 2007 - 23:17) | Rate | Report |
Anyone honestly intent on "opening a conversation" about the issue of crime by foreigners, in the interest of helping the average Japanese confront the realities of an increasingly multicultural society, would not do it in this sensationalist, muckraking style. Sure, they assure themselves of attracting attention to the issue, but they also immediately discredit their effort because the point of the content--however factual--is lost in the extremity of the presentation.
It clearly doesn't occur to the writer/editor that his publication would possibly be seen, read, and even purchased by non-Japanese consumers in Japan (I'm still waiting for my copy from Amazon, it sounds like they are having trouble keeping up with demand), that they might find it offensive, or that they would object to the content in any way. His tone of indignation and surprise at the virulence of the backlash says a great deal about his lack of real understanding about the
With people like this taking the initiative in "helping" Japan into a more diverse era, such efforts are certain to fail. Emphasizing the positive aspects of multiculturalism does not have to mean ignoring the pitfalls, or neglecting to prepare for the issues that inevitably arise. It does mean doing these things in an inclusive way that really does encourage constructive dialog (something always in short supply here) rather than mud-slinging, and that incorporates the strengths and potential contributions of a diverse population.
Knee-jerk reactions are seldom constructive or productive.
That said, I wonder if there is a Japanese version of this letter available somewhere?
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farty (Feb 15 2007 - 23:18) | Rate | Report |
Mr. Saka's made it all worse, which must have been his intention. Forms like "teme" are not used except as extreme insult, and the Japanese language used was equally as bad as that in the English translations we all read. He thinks the Japanese can get more used to living in an increasingly globalized society by treating all foreigners with suspicion, and labelling them potential criminals. And he can use the fact that the Japanese government is racist (thus no laws on racial discrimination) to publish the kind of filth the Nazis were going in for in the late 1930s. I personally don't like DPAs either (that's displays of public affection for non-native speakers), and would prefer people to not get off with each other in public places, but it tend to be young Japanese doing this where I am. Granted I would never go to a dump like Roppongi at night, and perhaps it goes on more with foreigners there, but this was not crime. His disgusting message of send them back if they pull a J-girl was racist, pure and simple. He has not stimulated any real discussion at all, and the only thing he has done is use Japan's lack of any law on racial discrimination to portray foreigners as disgusting criminals.
I did my own survey last week about foreign crime. I went to a station, and asked Japanese people a few questions about foreigners and crime, dressed up as a Japanese homework project. Most believe that around 20-30% of crime in Japan is caused by foreigners, but no one said more than 50%. Most did not count white people as foreigners in these statistics, only Asians and blacks (of the 20 people I asked). My own little survey in my own back yard only reinforces my dislike of the way crime figures are reported. The attempt is to make it more difficult for poorer people from Asian and African societies/ racial groups to live here, and it's working. One crime by any foreigner is one crime too many, but Mr. Saka is a little racist, and can't help himself.
It's true that Brazilians and Chinese account for over half of the crimes committed by foreigners in Japan. It's true that American guys grope their Japanese girlfriends daily on the streets of Tokyo.
How does this guy know that these men are Americans? And if the touching is consensual, they are both adults, then how is this a crime? Why is a public display of affection a crime to this man because its a white guy and J girl? Grow up.
| Very relative arguments... |  |
Ignatius (Feb 15 2007 - 23:22) | Rate | Report |
Japanese may have been labelled as "monkeys" during the war, but making the enemy subhuman is nothing exclusive to any one country. Perhaps he should consider what his own countrymen called prisoners that they performed vivisection and horrific tortures on; "maruta" or "log". At least a monkey is a living being, and a primate at that. The maruta were viewed as objects that weren't even alive or capable of feeling pain. So, to the Japanese during the war you were either an enemy combatant or an object...neither necessarily human. Poor argument indeed by the author.
Concerning the connotation of the Japlish "niga"...wonder how he would feel if foreigners become confortable with referring to Japanese people as "Japs"?
| Qualifications and Definitions |  |
talento (Feb 15 2007 - 23:36) | Rate | Report |
The author needs to define exactly what he means by, how he uses, and his bases for using the word "crime." For under the new immigration law, overstaying your visa is now considered a 'crime.' I haven't seen the magazine, but perhaps a tighter and more prudent use of the word could have avoided all the misunderstanding. In addition, Saka-san would need to explain his methodology,on what criteria and purposes he chose to highlight some "crimes" (heinous ones, or offenses, indecent acts -- whatever you might call it) over other cases perpetuated by foreigners in Japan.
I agree with him that there too are bad foreigners who don't deserve to be here nor in any place inasmuch as there are bad Japanese who should perhaps give up their passports and give them who deserve them better. A comparative study between the gravity, nature, styles of crimes committed by the two groups of people would have been a more interesting and productive approach with optimum result.
Otherwise, this is nothing but a sensational journalistic work trying to attrach attention that won't stand the test of credible research.
| Clueless twit. |  |
chuchan (Feb 15 2007 - 23:36) | Rate | Report |
Let's try this on for size:
Another criticism I have heard involves our use of the term "nip" which appears in the caption of a photo showing a Japanese man feeling up his Chinese girlfriend on the street. I would like to stress that this term has none of the emotive power in Chinese that the N-word does in Japanese — and to translate it as such is unfair. Instead, "nip" is Chinese street slang, just like the language used in the other captions on the same page.
Feels great, doesn't it!
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hokutonototoro (Feb 15 2007 - 23:46) | Rate | Report |
If this guy speaks about Roppongi, he is not totally wrong.
| More racist comments... |  |
nothisrealname (Feb 15 2007 - 23:47) | Rate | Report |