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| Man, how I would like to eat dinner.... |  |
Derukugi (Jun 26 2007 - 10:56) | Rate | Report |
...with that man and teach him proper manners. What a creep.
| Zorro |  |
papasmurfinjapan (Jun 26 2007 - 11:35) | Rate | Report |
I think it is reflective of the same mentality of the child beater, only posters have not put their thoughts into action...yet.
I have to disagree with that. You may think it is the same mentality, but you don't have kids. With all due respect, you just don't understand a parents feelings of indignation towards a child abuser until you become a parent yourself. I used to think like you, until I became a parent myself.
I have never laid a hand on my child, or any other child. The thought has never occurred to me. But upon reading this I still have a natural desire to punch this loser for beating his child.
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papasmurfinjapan (Jun 26 2007 - 11:48) | Rate | Report |
It wasn't his child. But still a defenseless, innocent human being. The beating of which is inexcusable.
| Of course, I've just realized |  |
ptrek (Jun 26 2007 - 12:04) | Rate | Report |
It is the headline: "Man beats 1-year-old boy unconscious for not saying 'Itadakimasu' before meal" that is titilating.
It could just as easily have read: "child abuser beats toddler unconscious in kitchen", "Osaka man nearly kills 1 year old in fit of rage".
It is the use of the word "Itadakimasu" that is very interesting. Somehow now I don't feel quite so guilty for laughing.
I assume editors know what they are doing.
| Realist, I agree |  |
Ahmadinejad (Jun 26 2007 - 12:46) | Rate | Report |
I know an Anglican minister (Japanese) who is retired who says there is a dark part to the Japanese psyche that, while it may exist in other ethnic groups, is more likely to surface here. He also says most foreign people are not aware of this 'dark' side to Japanese people. I tend to agree, but realize it is easy to slip into stereotypes at a time like this. I just think that compassion is repressed here in the name of the group. Compassion, as many other ethnic groups express it, is more of a genuine heartfelt desire to help others. Without this actively switched on, if you will, lashing out may be something that is easier to do.
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urko (Jun 26 2007 - 12:57) | Rate | Report |
I've heard that before. What he means is that Japanese are non-aggressive but there is a dark part of the psyche that emerges once in a while. This is evident here. In other cultures, what you call compassion and also passion as in violence is much more out in the open and is expressed more openly. Hence not as newsworthy in these other cultures. When it emerges in Japan it is shocking, hence its on National news.
| Ahmadinejad papasmurfinjapan |  |
Zorro (Jun 26 2007 - 16:05) | Rate | Report |
there is a dark part to the Japanese psyche that, while it may exist in other ethnic groups, is more likely to surface here.
What an utter load of xenophobic hogwash. Anybody who thinks domestic violence or child abuse is more common here or worse here than, say, more than half of the world has got their heads way up their backside. They are also peddling their silly xenophobia. Abuse is just as likely to surface anywhere.
With all due respect, you just don't understand a parents feelings of indignation towards a child abuser until you become a parent yourself.
This is not about feelings. This is about voicing totally barbaric and irresponsible thoughts on a public forum.
Barbaric and mentally incompetent bf beats mentally incompetent boy into a coma for barbaric table manners, thinking the boy needs a good lesson. Barbaric and mentally incompetent posters suggest hanging and burning for said barbaric beating, knowing he needs a good lesson. Sorry, but I am seeing the same thinking here.
Nothing can change the fact that the boy was beaten. Barbaric punishment wont stop others from getting beaten. This guy needs to be removed from society until we are sure he has gotten himself under control. The punishment is merely for the sake of the lesson. You dont teach a 1 year old to say "itadakimasu" by beating him silly, and maybe you cant get him to at all. You dont teach a man not to beat 1 year olds via prison rape either. You give him appropriate punishment to curb his behaviour, or if not possible, hold him for life. Anything else is just not civilized.
Anger is irrelevant, as much as this crap makes my blood boil also. I may not have kids of my own, but I have had lots of students. I will not hesitate to use violence in direct defense of one, but beyond that its a good scolding or a call to the authorities, whichever is warranted. And I dont advocate violence either, save in direct self defense.
| Zorro |  |
papasmurfinjapan (Jun 26 2007 - 17:33) | Rate | Report |
I agree that taking on a lynch-mob mentality against the man is not very civilised, but your comment seemed to suggest that many posters are one foot shy of being guilty of the same type of crimes this man has been arrested for. At least that's the way it read to me and I apologise if I am distorting your original meaning.
Personally I don't think hitting a defenseless child who knows neither right or wrong is on the same level as hitting a man who does such deeds. First, the child is innocent, and deserves no beating. The man, however, is guilty of a crime. A person guilty of a crime, throughout all ages of history and in all societies, is punished for their deeds. In some countries that includes corporal punishment, in others it is mete out in the form of a jail sentence. Which is more cruel and barbaric is a matter of personal taste. I suspect many people in jail would much prefer a good beating and then be set free, rather than spending a few years of their life in a cell. Personally I don't think being relegated to a prison cell for the rest of one's natural life is much more civilised than being fed to the lions, but others may disagree. Civility to me, is sitting down with the chap and a cup of earl-grey and trying to get him to feel some remorse for what he did, a heartfelt apology to those he has wronged, and a promise never to do it again (with a clause that his rights to civility will be rescended upon a repeat crime), but that just doesn't happen in the modern world. We are really no more civilised with regards to punishment than the middle ages, we just think we are.
Besides the point of what is barbaric and what is civilised, sure posters may talk about hangings, disembowlement, gang rape and all forms of deprived torture as suitable punishment for this fiend, but I think they are just using these examples as metaphors for the level of disgust they feel towards this person. It doesn't mean they actually want to see these things happen to this man. I suspect most posters would be happy to see him locked up and punished according to the laws of the land, nothing more, nothing less. I like to think they are no more barbaric than you or I, just spirited in discussion and imagination.
Then again, maybe they are a bunch of thugs, who knows?? But I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
| zorro |  |
Ahmadinejad (Jun 26 2007 - 18:44) | Rate | Report |
Please read my post properly. I was referring to a Japanese Anglican minister's comments. Is he xenophobic, too? Might we have had a tad too much coffee, perchance?
| UNFORTUNATELY.... |  |
MaoTseTong (Jun 27 2007 - 06:17) | Rate | Report |
this is the truth about the Japanese society, like it or not. The guy thought the kid did not say that damn "itadakimasu" loud enough for whatever HE EARNED for the family and that was enough to kick the arse off the 1 Year old. Talking about Utsukushii Kuni Zukuri? Gotta think about it.....
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Zorro (Jun 27 2007 - 09:10) | Rate | Report |
Please read my post properly. I was referring to a Japanese Anglican minister's comments. Is he xenophobic, too?
I guess so. If he honestly thinks the dark side of the psyche is more likely to surface in Japan, I think he is misinformed to the point of being xenophobic, Japanese or not. No doubt if he gets caught up in a burglary overseas, he will be talking about dark psyche surfacing in that country. I think he should look at some stats and reports, and maybe travel more.
What is more, the Japanese have a thing for self depreciation, even in the face of ignorance of other countries.
Now I am not saying your minister is a dummy. The dark part of the psyche surfaces everywhere, but to think it surfaces so much more here is just not right, and very contrary to my experience, which is deep in this country. I also lament the lack of active compassion here, at least the way I think of active compassion (Japanese do give gifts easily and other things), but I dont think its related to a tendency to lash out.
| papasmurfinjapan |  |
Zorro (Jun 28 2007 - 10:23) | Rate | Report |
Then again, maybe they are a bunch of thugs, who knows?? But I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
People who advocate death, torture and tortuous death for crimes ARE thugs on the inside. As the severity of the crime goes down from outright brutal murder, you can see just how much of a thug they are.
Now we all have a thug in us, but it is the degree of control you have over the thug that determines how civilized you are IMHO. Loudly proclaiming your bloodthirstiness in public demonstrates a lack of control. Such a person most probably has more self control than the jerk who beat this kid, but their thinking is similar. The difference is that their thug has control of their mouth and not their hands.
| Zorro |  |
papasmurfinjapan (Jun 28 2007 - 13:44) | Rate | Report |
So if you advocate locking a person in a cage for the rest of their life, you are not a thug, but civilized, right? :)
| the thug in me |  |
Dr_Evil (Jun 28 2007 - 14:04) | Rate | Report |
says beat this prick about the head. 1 Effin year old didn't say itadakimasu? at that age I bet they could barely say anything. He needs a beating around his head to teach him to be the teacher and not the hangman.
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Zorro (Jun 28 2007 - 15:12) | Rate | Report |
So if you advocate locking a person in a cage for the rest of their life, you are not a thug, but civilized, right? :)
If that person is an unreformable danger to others, or has committed crimes so heinous that they must receive maximum punishment, then yes.
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