Japan eyes recognizing Kosovo, but to show 'consideration' to Serbia

Kosovo is a province of Serbia. It shouldn't be recognized. It's the same as Hokkaido would declare independance.

 

why don't you wait until the rest of the world recognizes Kosovo including Russia? Oh yes, Japan does not want to upset Britain, The USA etc....man. Both a rock and a hard place all right! Personally, recognize it.

 

The problem is, that the Kosovars won't return to Serbia, no matter what the UNSC will decide. So, if they remain independent and are supported accordingly, they will continue on their pro- Europe/Western course. If not, they might turn to a more radical form of Islam and Al-Quaida will open a branch office.
Therefore, the recognition of an independent Kosovo is probably the best solution for stability ono the Balkans and the inner security of Serbia.

 

How would they do that?
OK, I'll give it a go.

"Japan is pleased to announce that it supports Kosovo's declaration as an independent state. At the same time, we realize that Serbia is very pissed off, so would therefore like to offer our commiserations."

It seems pretty easy these days to declare independence. Just say you're "pro-West."
The flag book I bought my kid for xmas is already out of date.

 

Kosovo is a province of Serbia. It shouldn't be recognized. It's the same as Hokkaido would declare independance.

I'm not going to say whether I support recognization of Kosovo as an independent nation or not but what you stated I think in my own opinion is way off. When did the Japanese central government last try to commit genocide against the inhabitants of Hokkaido? It is now almost 100% ethnic Japanese the same as any other part of Japan. Kosovo on the other hand is about 90% ethnic Albanians while Serbia is mostly Serbian and very recently they tried ethnically cleanse various people of the former nation of Yugoslavia.

People of Kosovo have the rights for self determination but this may add legitamacy to seperatist movements all over the world:Baques of Spain and France, Kurds in the Middle East, Quebec in Canada, Chapas in Mexico, etc.

 

Why'd you by your kid a flag book for Christmas? I bet you're not very popular around the house.

 

Kosovo is a province of Serbia. It shouldn't be recognized. It's the same as Hokkaido would declare independance.

As edokko said, this is completely different to Japan/Hokkaido. Yugoslavia was an joining of a number of former nations and ethnic groups after the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian empire at the end of World War 1. With the end of the Yugoslav nation, the country has been reverting back to its member states. This bears no resemblance what-so-ever to Japan, which is a single entity (including Hokkaido).

Kosovo was taken by the Serbs from the Ottoman empire after the Balkan Wars in 1912, but the small state has no real links ethnically to Serbia. The grouds of Serbia's claim are rooted in the deep past, not in the modern era. Obviously if the nation of Serbia and region of Kosovo were to get along and work together, that would be the best solution, but there are definite grounds for independence. So, it is closer to an Indonesia/East Timor situation than a Japan/Hokkaido one.

Moderator: Readers, no more references to Hokkaido please. It is not relevant to this discussion.

 

I see.

 

As far as I understand, according to the Security Council Resolution 1244, Kosovo is recognised as an integral part of Serbia.

edokko said:


And when did Serbian central government last try to commit genocide against the inhabitants of Kosovo?

According to UN, this genocide never happened.

As stated here: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/PIL412A.html

By June 1999, with the bombardment over, international forensic teams began subjecting Kosovo to minute examination. The American FBI arrived to investigate what was called "the largest crime scene in the FBI's forensic history". Several weeks later, having not found a single mass grave, the FBI went home. The Spanish forensic team also returned home, its leader complaining angrily that he and his colleagues had become part of "a semantic pirouette by the war propaganda machines, because we did not find one - not one - mass grave".

In November 1999, the Wall Street Journal published the results of its own investigation, dismissing "the mass grave obsession". Instead of "the huge killing fields some investigators were led to expect . . . the pattern is of scattered killings [mostly] in areas where the separatist Kosovo Liberation Army has been active".
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Nato's clients were the Kosovo Liberation Army. Seven years earlier, the State Department had designated the KLA as a terrorist organisation in league with al-Qaeda. In 1999, KLA thugs were feted; Robin Cook, then foreign secretary, allowed them to call him on his mobile phone. "The Kosovar Albanians played us like a Stradivarius violin," wrote the former UN commander in Bosnia, Major General Lewis MacKenzie, last April. "We have subsidised and indirectly supported their violent campaign for an ethnically pure Kosovo. We have never blamed them for being the perpetrators of the violence in the early 1990s, and we continue to portray them as the designated victim today, in spite of evidence to the contrary."
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Erected on the foundation of this huge lie, Kosovo today is a violent, criminalised, UN-administered "free market" in drugs and prostitution; unemployment is 65 per cent. More than 200,000 Serbs, Roma, Bosniaks, Turks, Croats and Jews have been ethnically cleansed by the KLA, with Nato forces standing by. KLA hit squads have burned, looted or demolished 85 Orthodox churches and monasteries, according to the UN.

Apologies for the long post!

 

http://www.state.gov/www/global/human_rights/kosovoii/homepage.html

A central question is the number of Kosovar Albanian victims of Serbian forces in Kosovo. Many bodies were found when KFOR and the ICTY entered Kosovo in June 1999. The evidence is also now clear that Serbian forces conducted a systematic campaign to burn or destroy bodies, or to bury the bodies, then rebury them to conceal evidence of Serbian crimes.

On November 10, 1999, ICTY Chief Prosecutor Carla Del Ponte told the U.N. Security Council that her office had received reports of more than 11,000 killed in 529 reported mass grave and killing sites in Kosovo. The Prosecutor said her office had exhumed 2,108 bodies from 195 of the 529 known mass graves

Whether it happened in Kosovo or not it did occur in other parts of Yugoslavia/Serbia....Croats on Serbs, Serbs on Croats, Croats on Serbs, Serbs on Bosnians and Albanians on Serbs. So whether it happened in Kosovo or elsewhere there are hatred on both sides.

 

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/fry/

Violence on both sides.
http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/kosovo98/news.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1998/kosovo/307261.stm

 

As I see many points of view in this forum, mostly taken from web pages, let me explain some basic things because I am native Serbian (but spent years in Japan).

First, Serbians brought Christianity on Kosovo somewhere in 7th century, and our the the most important battle in history was there more than 600 years ago, so there is no dilemma did we live there or not. Breaking of Yugoslavia doesn't have any relation with this because Kosovo was just southern part of Serbia with a lot of Albanian people living there. It is true that Albanians raised up to 90% of population but it came to that number in last years, after NATO bombed Serbia and expelled military and police so terrorists could freely make troubles and of course people were running away.

I think the biggest problem to explain is about mass media manipulation power. I understand that if people look at for example at CNN, they will believe in contents. But I was witness of such manipulation at 1999. when Serbia was bombed and I saw the Tomahawk missiles flying on the sky, and saw refugees came from Kosovo but foreign TV stations were showing completely different picture. So should I believe to my own eyes and crying people or to some payed TV reporter? But it is understandable, because it would be weird if America is making war somewhere and their TV stations say opposite. The word for that is "controlled media" and it is the source of the most of the troubles in the world. Scenario is well known: first make some country "bad guys" and then have justification to do whatever, especially to "bring democracy". Yesterday Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan, tomorrow Iran? Why they didn't bring democracy in some poor village in African desert? Because there is nothing to take from there.

In 1999. the reason was "Serbia is breaking human rights at Kosovo" and some massacre where Serbians killed Albanian civilians, so 78 days and nights NATO air raids were destroying Serbia to "bring democracy". The name of the operation was "Angel of Mercy" but it killed many civilians on both sides and the most of the infrastructure in whole country was destroyed. A few years later, some NATO generals confessed: "it was mistake, there was no massacre from Serbians". This confession can't bring back many lives, they are already lost. In that time America was dropping forbidden bombs and especially missiles with some amount of radioactive materials Uranium and Plutonium but they didn't say. After many Italian soldiers from Kosovo died from cancer, doctor teams found radioactive materials and then the truth came. It was pretty cheap way to get rid of tons of nuclear waste, right? Is there any reason to believe in new American lies? The truth is that they attacked Serbia to make military base because it was the only country in that part of Europe without NATO bases, so they finally took Kosovo and made giant base. Now Albanians are getting their country and it was long term plan.

If we search for similar part of Japan, Kosovo for Serbia is historically same as Kyoto for Japan, just much bigger (15% of Serbian territory) and very rich in natural resources. Quiz question: can you guess who will take this resources...? Beside that, endless churches, some of them old 600 or 700 years and part of UNESCO world heritage sights were burn by terrorists in recent years. Can you imagine if there are many citizens of other nation living in Kyoto, and after many years they start making problems and don't obey to Japan's rules, and then burn old temples, foreign TV stations say "Japanese are breaking human rights by sending police on rebels" and one day they say "from today, this is our territory!". Exactly the same scenario we had.

I am not chauvinist and wish to live peacefully with all people, so I think all guests are welcome if they obey to the rules of the house. If they don't, there is a problem. In the wars all sides were killing each other, so I agree that all sides should take responsibility and become punished. But I am sick of situation that we are always on black list and that European Union and US are always making some additional conditions for us. Serbia is country with much longer tradition and history than many other, and it is well known fact that Albanian mafia is controlling almost whole European drugs market plus prostitution. It is also proved that Al Kaida fighters were trained at Kosovo and they supported Albanians, and that Albanian prime minister of Kosovo (Hashim Tachi) is former terrorist rewarded for dark past.

Nothing except western power is on the side of independent Kosovo, but I believe that everything will be settled calmly and truth will win. In opposite, United Nations could be closed because there is no sense to keep them if western countries can do anything without UN approval.

Just to mention important thing, I don't hate people from US or some western countries, on contrary I have many of them as good friends. All my attitudes were against governments.

Thank you for reading this.