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    Alphaape

    as if we're all supposed to say "Well done!" over that, while killing an unarmed 18-year old kid who had surrendered.

    Right now it is looking like your assessment will be proven to be wrong. Even the Lt Gov of MO is saying that the Gov is out of line with his assumptions, and the evidence is pointing towards that facts that the cop was attacked first and that it was self defense.

    You don't seem to get the Boondocks point at all. Yes they characterize Uncle Ruckus, but if you look closely at all the characters and the issues brought up, you woud see that if this case is made into an episode, it would show the futility and stupidity of black people burning down and destroying their own businesses, following charlatans like Sharpton (whom he did an excellent lampooning in an episode).

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    Alphaape

    Just when I think it can't be done, you outdo Uncle Ruckus

    @ yabits: Why are you so concerned about Uncle Ruckus and me? the truth hurts, and though it may not be the "PC" thing to say, if this cop would have shot someone who had nothing to do with the incident, this whole issue woud really be over the top. As it is now, nothing is being sad about what the cop faced, and how he got off shots that like it or not hit the target.

    I heard a few looters comments on interviews, and one struck me as shameful saying that they deserved the right to loot and take to show their frustration. This was a fellow black like myself. So if you think my speaking the truth is an example of me wanting to be an "uncle Ruckus" I guess the ramblings of some of the looters and their justification for stealing anothers property is akin to King and his speeches.

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    Alphaape

    Sorry - I can't understand one thing - why six shooting ?

    I think he had a 9 mm, which holds more than 6 rounds. Shooting a gun is not all like you see on TV, if you keep squeexing, multiple rounds will be fired. One thing you have to admit, i fhe did receive a beating in the face that resulted in an eye injury and still was able to fire off shots and hit his target, that is good shooting. Good shooting from the standpoint that he was not just shooting blindly and hitting innocent bystanders who were in the area. He had hits wits about him enough to keep aim and shoot.

    Rather you agree with the shooting or not, you have to admit that at least he didn't hit any bystanders. But that point will not be brought up, I say that becuase in CA during a bank robbery and shoot out, a hostage/bystander was kiled by gunfire from the police, and these cops were taking aim and had not been hit in the face. But, you can imagine that if a bystander was hit in this case, there would be more riots.

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    And if you protest the 6 shots into Brown, look into Police and defensive training methods. You try for a good shot placement and you stop the threat. 1 shot or 100! Whatever it takes to defend your perceived threat.

    Latest info out of the area is that now the cop has eye injuries consistent with a beating. Again, people are going to say why didn't the cop use less than lethal methods and that is why we have inquiry boards. But to put it in perspective, just because someone is "unarmed" doesn't mean that they are not dangerous even if you have a gun. Case in point, last Friday, an LA county sheriff deputy was savagely beaten and kicked in the head by an unarmed assailant.

    The deputy didn't get a chance to use his gun and as a result he was severly stomped in the head and is suffereing major wounds and may not be the same again. Luckily bystanders were able to pull the guy off the deputy and rescue him. So, if any of you on here were police officers, and knew things like this could happen to you would you be more concerned about the public "perception" of what would happen if you used deadly force, or would you want to be able to come home at the end of your shift alive and in good health? I would take the second choice.

    So many times when police are involved we get the same,old drill on why was a gun used. In this case we will probably see that the cop took some of a beating and as I stated a case where a cop didn't use his gun and is in serous condition, you get a new perspective on this whole issue, and maybe those outside protestors need to go somewhere else and find something more to protest and loot.

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    Alphaape

    Ferguson police dept has 50 white cops but only 3 black ones in an area which is 67% black! or 94% of the cops are white, 6% black. But the city's population of 21,000, 67% are black.

    @ zichi: The reason for the disparity in Ferguson and the fact that the mayor is white in a majority black town is because only 5% of the blacks vote. The last election showed terrible numbers for black voter participation. If this case were to go to a trial in Ferguson, then the jury pool would be mostly white since they come from registered voters.

    As I have said in different posts on this topic, if Brown had a criminal record in the past, then it would not be an issue if he were just a person walking down a sidewalk and randomly shot. but his prior actions of strong arming a store, and walking inhte middle of the street and his actions against the cop can bring into the discussion the state of his intent and his prior actions could be looked at as part of the whole.

    The same for the cop. So in the past the Ferguson PD may have been heavy handed when dealing with blacks. But was this cop invoved in any of those cases? What if he was a "good cop" and treated persons fairly and had a clean record that should be taken into consideration as well as if he was one of the cops who had previous charges of abuse.

    The backgrounds of both individuals may have to come to play in this case. Just a simple fact.

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    Q Silvafan: If the police held back the video from the store showing Brown, that would make the protestors seem me rightous than the cops. Why should they release anything before they have had a chance to thoroughly go through and sift all the evidence. Wouldn't that be fair to do if you are going to send someone to trial over this? One would want to make sure that the is "beyond a reasonable doubt" that evidence suggested that the cop did wrong.

    But in this case, they held on, and the evidence will show that they cop may (I say may) have been justified and the rioters and looters are wrong. Why rush to judgement without the facts.

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    I have noticed. You probably will not talk about the other article about the Ferguson Police force lying or the statistics about their arrest record. Very convenient, right?

    @ Silvafan: You are making my point. I said that for a cop shooting, the first thing people will do is look into the background of the cop, to see if he had a history of excessive force. They did with the cop in this case, and with the Ferguson PD. I have no problems with that. But what I have a problem with is that when wants to apply the same scrutinty to the victime, it is taboo. If Brown was as pure as the driven snow, then of course his past would be brought up and used by the media as an outrageous act by the police to kill a truly innocent person. But looking at the past and incident leading up to the shooting, it appears that he was not what they were reporting him to be. Still no cause for him to be shot, unless he was doing something that would do harm to the officer, and that is what a board of inquiry will determine.

    People need to understand that sometimes the truth will not be what you want it to be. If it comes out that the cop had a history of excessive force and was not justified in the shooting, then he should be held accountable. If not, then people need to face up to the fact, brown was shot due to his own actions, and that the rioting and looting was just an act put on by people who really had no interest in the welll being of the area and just out to cause mayhem.

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    Alphaape

    In fact, the person in the picture is not Michael Brown but Joba Cain who was arrested in 2013. Did you even look at the link provided above?

    @ biglittleman: Not talking about that picture. If the media made a mistake they need to own up to it. But the family of Brown has said that it was him in the store video.

    The witness's video has finally been released not with the help of the police. 1.) Notice how the police had the video but refused to release it at the same time as the Michael Brown video and officer's name.

    At least the Ferguson PD waited and released it dur to FOI requests. The video shows Brown doing a wrong act. If they would have just put that out at first, it would seem like that it would have been a smear tactic to shift focus. But delaying, they had time to verify with family and in fact announce that it is him. Seems like good police work in trying to get the right evidence out.

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    Alphaape

    Personally, I'm not even sure that was Brown because the guy in the store was wearing shorts but the photo of Brown dead face down shows him wearing longer pants?

    @ zichi: Brown's family has admitted that it was him in the video. It has been reported.

    Of course Brown was a criminal, if he were not, then he would have paid for those cigars.

    @ bass4funk:Earlier in this thread, yabits mentioned to me I need to seek mental help since I could not stand behind the likes of Brown to protest police brutality. Obviously he needs to do a bit of reading on the Civil Rights movment, specfically with the Rosa Parks incident. Rosa Parks was not the first person who was "sick and tired of being sick and tired" when she made her actions of sitting in the whites only section of the bus, but she was someone Rev. King and the movement could get behind. An upstading citizen, no problems with the police in the past, and she presented a clean image. Seeing that type of person as well as seeing children having dogs and fire hoses turned on them helped them to win the image war.

    Looking at this case, a young man, who is caught on video stealing a box of cigars to use in the smoking of pot (still illegal in MO) is not what I would call a poster image of fighting the cuase for police brutality. Not saying he should be just guned down in the street, no one deserves that, but he is not a role model. I can understand that when this all started, tempers were hot and some protests could be justiied (not the lootin) but now that we have seen more evidence and have a better understanding, I think that it is time for these trouble makers to leave and let due process occur.

    A tragedy that a young man lost his life, but this is not a case of just some rouge cops shooting at a black person.

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    Alphaape

    Are they trying to ruin his image? Why would they need to if he is guilty?

    I don't think any conservative media is trying to ruin his image, but to bring out what may have caused his actions. Let's look at the cop in this case. What is the first thing that was asked whenever a cop is involved in a shooting? What was his past service record like? Did he have a histroy of excessive violence towards minorities and were charges filed against him and had he been suspended for brutality? Those are legitimate questions to ask, that could lead to some conclusions on his actions and character.

    So why is it wrong to bring into question Brown's character. At first, the media narrative was that he was just an innocent bystander, on his way to start technical school the next week and he was gunned down in the street by the cops. Now we are finding out that he did have some issues in his past that may have caused some question to his intentions. That's not smearing him, just bringing up facts on his life. Could they be related to this case, possibly. But it is not out of bounds to bringit up as to trying to determine his chracter at the time. After alll, they are doing it with going into this cops background.

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    Alphaape

    Listening to the latest news, The Brown family has admitted that it was Brown in the store video stealing the cigars. This is very key for a few reasons.

    Up until then, he was shoplifting and under MO law, a crime but not a felony. However, once he shoved the shop keeper, it became in effect a "strong armed robbery" and a felony. The responding cop, may not have known this at the time and he was only reacting to the situation that he was confronted with. But, Brown knew what he had done and probably knew if caught, he would face tougher charges.

    Hypothetical I admit, but it does cause some concern. We will never know if that is what he thought of at the time, but it does raise some doubts.

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    Alphaape

    It would not matter one bit. If I saw a cop getting ready to fire upon someone from 10 feet away, if that someone is on his knees with his hands raised, and I have the power to stop him, that's it

    @ yabts: There is a report that among the bystander videos, a conversation was captured between two people on the shooting. To sum it up, the witnesses state that Brown was running away and then turned back on the cop (after the altercation in the car). So if he was hit and kept coming, then it would be reasonable for the cop to continue to shoot for self defense. Just take a look at the case in FL where a man was so high on bath salts that he withstood multiple shots and tazers before being taken down. I admit that the cop in question had no way to determine if this was the case with Brown, and that is up to a board of inqury to find out, but if I were a cop in that situation, I would want to make sure that I came home and not wound up dead if someone was coming after me after they had been shot.

    You and others (not only here but in the US media) are trying to change the narrative and make this shooting fit a certain agenda. Black kid vs.white cop. However, facts are starting to come out that shows that there is more to the story than would fit the original story and the more we find out, the more it may look like it could be ruled justifiable. Where are the riots when there is black on black, or brown on black (i.e. the war not reported in LA among the black and latino gangs that have seen many innocent blacks killed for just being in an area)? But let a white cop shoot a minority, and a city burns.

    Again, many on here will be quick to blast the US cops as being too agressive, and say that they should be more like the J-cops, but they are the same ones who will berate the J-cops when they do nothing to stop a stalker and he kills a victim. Criminals don't play by the rules. Not saying that this guy (Brown) was a criminal, he may have just had a wrong "moment" to go off the rails but it cost him. Sad to say, that is what happens. In the USA as a black man I am fully aware of the hazards even I face if stopped by the police. Is it right, probably not but you learn to deal with it just like the foreigners here in Japan do. Case in point, I have seen many Japanese men take a "whizz" in public, accepted behavior. On the other hand, I have seen Sailors arrested by J-cops and turned over for doing the same thing. Is that fair, probably not, but that's just how the game is played here and there, and it is wise to learn how to play the game.

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    Alphaape

    @yabits: Then you would be charged with murder. But this was not the case the officer was responding to an APB something you would not know in your scenario. It is conjecture like yours that has brought about the rioting and looting we see now. Using emotion vice logic in this case will only incite rash actions. I find it equally interesting that you would make such a conjecture based on your previous posts on JT on how you are opposed to guns and those who have them and how they should be banned.

    This was not a case as you described, but a police incident that got out of hand. Interesting how when the facts start to come out, therightous indignation tends to shift from the local case to the overall relationship between police and blacks. Nevermind that a young man made a foolish decision and it cost him his life, and some responsibility needs to be placed on his actions as well as the cops.

    Equally interesting is how now some are saying J-cops are not all bad and "gung ho" as US cops yet these are the same who say that they didn't do enough to stop a crazed stalker but only gave them a chat before they wind up killing their victim.

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    Alphaape

    Wow, somebody doing that must really tick you off. If there's no traffic on the street, who is he hurting, or who's rights is he violating? Sounds as though you despise someone taking a little harmless liberty in his own neighborhood.

    Doesn't bother me one bit. If a person gets hit by a car then that's on them. As far as not getting behind the cause of "social justice" in this case, the guy as admitted by his friend in the police report, was part of a strong arm robbery of cigars. If you say it is not a big deal, then bully for you. But if you are a store owner, I would like to be able to come in your store and just take what I want and not worry about it. How long would you be in business. Oh, and the store owner is in fear for his life and had to go out and make a statement that he didn't call the police. the same store was boarded up and looted.

    So no, I am not going to demand marches for this case. Did the poice have a right to gun down someone in the street? No. Did the police have the right to stop someone and ask a few questions based on a radio call, I can live with that. But if things got out of hand, the cop may have acted out of line. Did the two act suspicous and cause the cop to get nervous, we will not know until a full report and trial (if needed) is had.

    But to just try to go off and say that I need some mental help is not answering the questions, and adds nothing to this case. When the facts come out, I imagine that the looters will look more bad.

    And as a Black man, I can say this, don't go for a cops gun period. That is good advice rather you are black or white.

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    Alphaape

    What does his character have to do with his being shot and executed while unarmed? Absolutely nothing.

    No it does not, he should not have been shot. But, it leads to question the motives of those who use his stooting to riot. I am for making sure that police are not corrupt, but I am not going to stand behind a cause for someone who is at least partly responsible for their demise.

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    At the moment the police officer saw Brown and Johnson walking in the street, did he display any behavior that conveyed respect and concern for their safety? (Brown and Johnson lived in the neighborhood -- it was their street.) Or did he treat them with profanities and contempt, seeking a confrontation?

    You do know that Johnson, the person with Brown did admit that they were in the QT Stop store and did steal the cigars, and shove the store clerk. But the poice didn't at first tell this. By the way, Johnson will not be charged since it was determined that he was not the actual person who took the cigars. The family knew this and now they come up with the comments as the police trying to smear his character. Johnson's story about what happened doesn't go with the idea that is trying to be placed in the media.

    Not saying he should be executed in the streets for petty crimes, but Brown's display of arrogance at just taking the cigars and fighting with the store clerk because he was bigger than he was, and then to feel entitled to just walk down the middle of the street because you can, doesn't present him in the best light and calls into question Brown's character.

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    Alphaape

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    Are you claiming that white members of the "public" who live elsewhere have more say about who walks down the middle of Canfield Street than the Canfield residents do? (To the extent that someone should get killed for it?)

    @ yabits: Following your logic, then those people who actually paid the taxes have more to say on what goes on in the streets than those who do not. Just becuase someone lives on a street, doesn't mean that they have the inherit right to block off traffic and do whatever they want. If I didn't live in the area, but was to drive through, I would expect the streets to be used for normaly use, not just an "anything goes" atmosphere. Keeping with your logic, I can assume that from all the reports relating to this youth, he had just finished high school, and didn't have a job, so that makes him a "non taxpayer" so wouldn't the people who pay the taxes, that go to fix the roads have more to say how they would be used, going along the lines of your argument that if you live there, you can do with it as you want.

    I am ok with the people protesting, and I hope that if anything, more will want to become more civic minded, and vote more to get elected representatives who would care for their area. But the vagabonds who come in to loot and burn, serve no purpose. Ok what if the cop was wrong to shoot the kid. Does setting fire to the stores in your neighborhood, looting and rioting solve anything? How well did Watts and Newark and other areas hit by riots do afterwards? Nothing changed but only got worse.

    The worst mass murder in the city's history. Nobody out of the ethnic neighborhood came forth -- at first

    Let's see if this will be the same here. Will the honest protestors come forth and tell who is doing the looting and ritoing and burning of businessess in their neighborhood, or will they keep silent. If they keep silent, what's the difference between them and the police? Especially if you lost a business, and know people knew who did it but do nothing. .

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    Alphaape

    Every dutiful and conscientious citizen is a part of the system. We are all on the case. At least we have to ensure that the cases are being handled properly

    @ yabits, I agree and if you have done work for such projects as the innocence project, then answer this honestly. How many cases have you seen where local eyewitness testimony was supressed, not by law enforcement, but by the people themselves who didn't want to get involved? People who knew something to the cases but for their reasons just didn't come forth. That is what the police have to face sometimes, and sadly it gets to a point where some may cut corners to get the conviction, knowing that people who may have seen the actual crime may not come forth.

    A very good friend of mine is a lawyer, who was a criminal defense attorney. She has given up that practice the main reason was burnout. Tired of trying to coax the truth out of people, tired of facing family members of criminals who can see no wrong in their family members actions and tired of people who think it is fine to take from others what they think they deserve.

    The kid doesn't deserve to be shot no matter what even if he did strong arm a store clerk, but at the same time, people need to be aware that police have to do their jobs.

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    Alphaape

    people have very good reason to attempt to gather the facts for themselves and gain the ability to hold the justice system accountable. With the many people freed from death row by the Innocence Project, we should not put a lot of faith in the criminal justice system.

    That goes both ways. One of the reasons cops may feel a bit frustrated when dealing with some communities is the lack of help they receive when trying to solve crimes. How many people who are doing the rioting and looting are the types that will actually offer up assistance to the police and bear witness in court to crimes comitted by black on black? The "wall of blue" that people like to talk about when police protect each other is also rampant in some communities that do not trust the police.

    I bet there are some who know what may have actually went down, but will not speak up. Whatever the case, if the cops over reacted sad for someone to lose their life, but in the same manner, why would you walk in the middle of a street, or possibley steal a box of cigars to make a fe "blunts" and then complain when the cops pull you over. The cop doesn't have the right to be judge, jury and executioner, but if one fights with the cops, then you get what you could expect to happen.

    How many here, if they were cops and had to wrestle someone down and during that melee they grabbed your gun honestly think that the person would give it back to you following the "Queensberry" rules and give you your gun back and continue to fight fair and honest? If you answer yes, then you will not be on the force for long.

    Let's let the trial begin, gather the evidence and if needed a trial be had to determing guilt or innocence. But I can tell you this, if the trial is held in Ferguson, and the cop is found not guilty and one of the complaints about the trial being that the jury was made mostly of whites, sad to say the people have only themselves to blame. The town is 65% black, but only 5% vote. Jurors are pulled from voting registrations, and they have pretty much assured that if they go to trial in this town, the lack of black participation in the voting process will come back to bite them if a trial is had.

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    Alphaape

    From your previous posts on JT, I got the impression you are in the military. The US government is more understanding about the people exercising their right to vote and. Low-income employees don't have that luxury or convenience to vote.

    @ Silvafan: Yes I was in the military and still in Japan working. Funny thing, I just mailed my absentee ballot for a local school board election. If people want to vote, there is a way to do so. You are correct, the US government bends over backwards to get people to vote, and there are many organizations that will help people to get registered, yet they don't want to do it. People can absentee and many places have early voting. Just as simple as going to the county regisra's office to get it done. As a matter of fact, I got my ballot online and I am half a world away from my hometown, and yet I can still find the time to vote.

    I think it is more condescending to say that lower income people can't manage their time to get the important things in life done unless someone "helps" them out.

    I bring up the comment on booze and smokes because it takes an ID to get them,and I understand people don't check ID all the time. But it also takes an ID to get an EBT card or any of the social welfare programs that people need, and yet they can find time to get them. If people can't, then those so called "community organizers" ahve failed since I can think of many ways that people can get the proper ID and documents necessary to register to vote.

    One of my relatives is a leading activist. I have personally seen her photos with some of the biggest names in US politics and see her mentioned in the papers where I am from often. She will admit to you, that it is frustrating at times trying to get people to do something simple as to register or go vote. People expect a quick "hand out" without any effort. And she's a die hard liberal Dem.

    Go to a place like Ferguson, and you will see a different world from what some facts may state, and what actually is going on.

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