Wednesday February 15, 2012

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    Alphaape

    I heard the speech. It sounds good, but I have to ask: Why bring up this now? If this plan has bipartisan items in it, why did it take so long to bring it out?

    Some of the things sound good, but I seem to have heard them before. If he would have come out this boldly say in 2010, I think he would be in a better position than he is in now.

    But I hope it works out. Now what he has to do is get rid of his healthcare plan. For all of the taxes he is saying that this plan will give, there will be new taxes that are required under Obamacare.

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    Alphaape

    @ sailwind: Great post!

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    Alphaape

    A key fact omitted from your story is the fact that the action by workers was not sanctioned by the union. However, the fact of grain being spilled out and that there was no physical violence done to any person reminds me of the original Boston Tea Party where a group of "wildcat" colonists dumped tea into Boston harbor.

    @yabits: Not sanctioned by the unions, but afterwards they go back to the Union Hall to meet. I did not see any union reps denounce their actions.

    Wrong. Many liberals want those who associate and identify with the tea party to unequivocally denounce their supporters' use of racist symbols and calls for physical violence -- NOT the tea party itself. You simply don't or won't grasp the significant difference, which is why you keep making these grossly wrong statements.

    So I guess you will be standing by for the Longshoremen to denounce the fact that the went onto private property (these were not workers at the docks but ones who believed that they should be working there) so the fact that they can go on private property with impunity and dump grain seems a bit odd for an organization that is supposed to be about the "workers."

    And might I suggest, drop the Tea Party and Klan reference. You are becoming as irrelevant as MSNBC. Just look at their ratings for yesterdays GOP debate. People tuned in (over 5 million viewers), but as soon as it was over, viewship dropped. People want to hear valid discussions and logical debate, not the tired played out stuff you keep screaming about.

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    Alphaape

    Words like "battle" and "fight" and such have been part of politics for centuries. They are analogies and not suggestive of actual physical violence. This is what the low-IQ, men-children of the Tea Party don't seem to understand. "Second-amendment remedies" and "bullets" -- as in "if ballots won't work, then bullets will" -- are not analogies: they are direct calls for physical violence.

    @yabits: And in a related story, members of the Longshoremen stormed the port of Longview, WA today overpowered and held security guards, damaged railroad cars, and dumped grain that is the center of a labor dispute. Six guards were held hostage for a couple of hours after 500 or more Longshoremen broke down gates about 4:30 a.m. and smashed windows in the guard shack. No one was hurt, and nobody has been arrested. Most of the protesters returned to their union hall after cutting brake lines and spilling grain from car at the EGT terminal. The International Longshore and Warehouse Union believes it has the right to work at the facility, but the company has hired a contractor that's staffing a workforce of other union laborers.

    So I guess you are going to say that this was done by agent provocateurs from the Tea Party who are working on the inside of the union to bring discredit to them. Or how about that these thugs know that they can get away with crap like this since they obviously have the strong backing of elected officials. I don't see any of the elected officials will come down hard on them since they will need the union support for their next election.

    I know these guys are not Teamsters and Hoffa doesn't represent them. But, you seem to come to the conclusion that all in the Tea Party are racist because supposedly some my have racist views, then can we by your logic say that unions are inspired by the words of Hoffa, and are using foreceful means from the words like "fight" and "battle" to get what they want.

    Since many of he left keep demanding that GOP candidates denounce the Tea Party, I can't wait to hear them ask Obama will he denounce the violence from the unions or ask Hoffa and the SEIU head (who was appointed by Obama for some Czar position) will they denounce the violent rhetoric and actions from their members.

    Funny thing though, this occured because the port was using members from another union as labor, since when did a private company have to hire from one union on a mandatory basis? And if the Tea Party is so full of violent racist lunatics, I haven't seen any rallies degenerate into taking hostages and destroying property.

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    Alphaape

    Since whatever "news" source is reporting that is completely dishonest, you must be in terrible denial. You have the ability to view for yourself the videos of racist signs and hate-filled rhetoric of many Tea Party supporters. Once you see them, you will stop saying that you "keep hearing" about them.

    @yabits: I know that he was not urging actual violence, yet again, when Palin made a map with cross hairs on it with Giffords district, the whole liberal media exploded. Also, it is nice to see the likes of Hoffa and Biden use such strong rhetoric as "fighting" yet will be very timid when describing the war on terror (oops we can't use that term now).

    So do me a favor, since you have done all the research, post a few links from reputable news sources that show these signs. I really want to see them. Until then, I think it is just more rhetoric that you can't back up.

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    Alphaape

    To repeat, a vote against Obama (Weimar) does not make one a racist. However, a vote for the Tea Party (Nazis) does. One can choose not to vote for Obama or anyone. Or for a non Tea-Party supporter, like a Huntsman. (I am pretty sure you still won't understand.)

    @yabits: Actually you have it backwards. It is Hoffa and the unions and the other SEIU "purple shirts" that are the ones that are going around stirring up the crowds with violent words, not the Tea Party. I keep hearing of the racist signs and rhetoric from the Tea Party, but the only group that I keep hearing speaking of violence are the unions and the CBC (Congressional Black Cacus).

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    Alphaape

    No. My logic is not that all whites hate Obama. That is your illogic. But the whites who do hate Obama because they believe he represents the worst of the black race will come up with "witch doctor" - "monkey see/monkey spend" - and "Lyin' African" signs to display at their Tea Party rallies. You can feel proud that they consider you "one of the good ones."

    @yabits: Wow and you say I am derranged. So I guess you know what is on the mind of every white person and why they don't like Obama. I have never seen such utter nonesense from a post, and you have thrown plenty out there. Do you really think that stating that I want to feel proud because I am considered "one of the good ones" is really brining anything to the discussion. Actually, it is that condescending attitude that is most displayed by you liberal types that has caused much of the problems in the minority areas. You should take a look around the web at some of the predominantely black blogs, and you will see that more blacks than you think so are saying that the greates harm to the black community is not the withes in the GOP and Tea Parties as you want people to believe, but those that are "there to help" by keeping giving out handouts and telling people how they should vote and feel about issues rather than make up their own minds.

    Bring someting solid to the discussion, and leave the childish rants out of it.

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    Alphaape

    Well, I see you've totally shifted gears (yet again) away from waivers from the Affordable Care Act.

    @yabits: I only shifted because you never gave me a reply to my question. I'm trying to play to the audience.

    The Tea Party has no plans whatsoever to benefit the United States as "one nation." They spout their narrow brand of "patriotism" and violence-laden rhetoric, and are only good at telling everyone what they are against.

    They conned enough people into voting for them in 2010, but that tide is over. They showed they have no game whatsoever except for trying to destroy a sitting president whom most Americans happen to respect and admire.

    So now the Nazi comments come out. Instead of supposed Tea Party use, you say now if you vote against Obama you are a Nazi.

    You still miss the point. If every white person who voted in 2008 against Obama were to vote again in 2012, he would still win, plain and simple.

    That is where your "math" is simply nuts. Most political independents despise the Tea Party. A Gallup poll taken last month showed that independent voters have an unfavorable view of the Republicans and Tea Party, by a margin of 64 to 25 percent.

    All they need to do (GOP) is to get that 25% of independents to switch votes from Dem to GOP in 2012, and Obama is out. If by your logic, all whites hate Obama (GOP voters), then a few percentage points more and a GOP could win. Look at the vote talleys I posted earlier. That margin of 25% would give a GOP candidate a huge gain over Obama, even if he carries the Black and Hispanic vote.

    What the Tea Party has done, is moved some of those independents and non-aligned voters who will vote either way, to lean more to the GOP, or not just stick with the Dems as we have seen done in 2010.

    So all of the name calling and trickery you can muster will not hide that point, the Tea Party has attracted more people who are undecided to probably vote against Obama.

    If the Dems are really serious about keeping the White House, and gaining back those white voters who may be thinking about not voting for Obama in 2012, then they need to nominate a different person. Because if you have to keep touting the race card, you are not going to get any where doing that.

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    Alphaape

    I wouldn't have had anything to do with the United Klans of America the first time they came around, and I won't have anything to do with them now in their latest regrouping as the Tea Party. Angry white people spouting pseudo-patriotism and calls for violence look an awful lot alike.

    @yabits: See my post above. To sum it up quickly, if every white person who voted for McCain in 2008, voted straight GOP again in 2012, Obama would win. However, it is not the Tea Party and the GOP that he is afraid of, it is those indpendent whites who voted for him last election, and now don't think he is up to the job of a second term.

    So what do the Dems do, trot out the race card and try to guilt trip those independent whites that not voting for Obama is racist, and the main opposition to him is from the GOP and it's subset, the Tea Party, so they try to "guilt trip" them into voting for Obama. His record to date doesn's support a second term, so they have to throw this out.

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    Alphaape

    On the contrary, my comments attempt to make the point that the Tea Party is a totally unacceptable alternative to political movements because of their tolerance of hatred for people of color.

    @yabits: Let's do a little election math. In 2008, Obama won the popular vote. 52% to McCain's 45%.

    Obama received 43% if the white vote. We can say that in the next election, Obama will receive over 90% of the Black vote and about 60% of the Hispanic vote, but that population is only 13% of the population (Black) and 14% of the population (Hispanic)

    If Obama can get that 43% white vote in 2012, he is assured a win. But, that 43% is probably not so happy with Obama's handling of the economy and other steps that he has taken since the election. He is losing that 43% (mostly independents) to the popular new groups like the Tea Party. Remember, in 2008 there was no Tea Party. So even if every white who voted against Obama in 2008 were to vote the same way, and if they were all "Tea Party" GOPers, Obama would still win.

    But it is that 43% that has started to show signs of not voting for Obama in 2012 that is what is causing the concern. So they are trying to "guilt trip" them into voting for Obama, since no one wants to be branded as a "racist" as is the case we see now with Axelrod and the rest of the Obama campaign is trying to forment.

    The mid-term elections in 2010 have proven that many of the independents who voted backed many of the Tea Party candidates that won elections. They have seen this, and can offer no proof positive that their plans are working, so that they have to go after the opposition using the Race Card.

    I don't see it as a hatred of people of color, it's just a ploy by the Dems to keep their jobs using dirty politics.

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    Alphaape

    Mr Romney......the mormom

    I see what you did there. You shortened his first name and used his middle name, which sounds more Muslim, to scare people. That's very clever. Where did you learn this extremely effective slander technique?

    @HumanTarget: Since you are the PC police, will you go after just-a-guy for going after Romney's religion, or are his comments acceptable? Can't have it both ways. If people say that people use Pres. Obama's middle name to drive a point, then aren't they doing the same thing about Romney and his religion?

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    Alphaape

    Hoffa has assessed the situation on the battlefield correctly. The working person did not want war, but war has been forced upon him. Those who want to wage war on the working person -- for example, the ones who want to strip him of his hard-fought right to collectively bargain -- have thrown down the gauntlet and fired the first shots. It is rather stupid and naive to presume that people like Hoffa who represent working people would have them bend over and take it.

    A war on workers? It seems that it is this administration that is going to war on workers. Case in point, Obamacare passed. So if it is so good for the country, why have there been so many waivers from supports of it (i.e. various unions) so that they don't have to have it applied to them? Afterall, it is supposed to be good for the country and the working class.

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    Alphaape

    Regarding Jimmy Hoffa's comments, there breitbart. That's called false equivalency. You throw up one example and you think that it equals the multitude of examples that can be brought forth regarding the tea party.

    So all of the talk about rage about Palin's crosshairs on the Ariz district that the Congresswoman was shot at and how the Pres asked for more civility in the public debate and not the rhetoric that he accused Palin and the others on the right of doing.

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    Alphaape

    Each time a candidate is linked to the movement, the Democratic National Committee gleefully works to brand the candidate, and the Republican Party in general, as outside the mainstream

    So I guess when Jimmy Hoffa Jr. spoke before introducing President Obama and said: "'Let's Take These Sons of Bitches Out': Union Boss Calls for War on Tea Party" and Obama then got up and spoke, I guess that is not extreme talking but rational conversation.

    So can we then brand the unions as outside the mainstream, or is it ok to use that kind of langauge for Dems.

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    Alphaape

    Also, I noticed when I brought up a point on the Tea Party's seeking a smaller government, on the case I cited on the ODL and the EEOC, DOT flap.

    My mistake, I didn't finish my point. But instead of discussing why the Tea Party wants smaller government, all we get is the race card thrown out.

    How about talking about the issues, instead of just saying people don't like him because he is black.

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    Alphaape

    @yabits: You just keep spouting out the racism card, so why don't you, in your enlightend mind, educate me on the progress this Administration has done so far, and why I should vote for them. No need to say, it was Bush's fault, since the war in Libya (yeah that one that no one is reporting, and oh by the way, the rebels have been rounding up the black Africans that were fighting for Khadafi, but that is another story on race), so tell me the things that have been done that is moving us ahead.

    Also, I noticed when I brought up a point on the Tea Party's seeking a smaller government, on the case I cited on the ODL and the EEOC, DOT flap.

    So, leave out all of the hype, and show me why I should vote for 4 more years.

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    Alphaape

    Again, you are way off base. I am saying that it takes a particular kind of hatred against the president's race to continue to defend the people who are portraying him as an African witch doctor with a bone through his nose.

    Those of us who are completely mystified as to why any person would give a pass to that kind of overt racism can gain some understanding from McGruder's character.

    @yabits: In this culture of "gotcha" politics, if there were signs such as you and others have said, then they would be all over the internet and the news. Everytime a tea party spokesperson would be on the air, the first thing the interviewer would do is have a reel of the protest with the supposed signs showing and asking about it. It would be all over the web. But I have not seen any. So if you have a specific link to show me, then please post it so I can see for myself.

    I am saying that it takes a particular kind of hatred against the president's race to continue to defend the people who are portraying him as an African witch doctor with a bone through his nose.

    You should take a look back in history and see how President Lincoln was portrayed. He was often ridiculed as having "black roots" and the cartoons and comments about him were pretty rampant.

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    Alphaape

    It is rather obvious that you hate some black people so much that you are willing to tolerate and defend how racist whites would portray them.

    If you want a decent liberal's representation of that kind of person, Aaron McGruder's Uncle Ruckus fits perfectly.

    @yabits: Now that is very telling. Here you are saying that Tea Party members are displaying racial signs against Obama, yet you call me an "Uncle Rukus" because I don't agree with Obama and i am Black. It seems to me that you liberals are the ones throwing race around.

    I just don't like him because of his politics. FYI, some of my relatives are pretty big in the Dem party, and pretty prominent too. So, I am not saying I don't like him because he has "made it." I've been around those types of people all of my life, both Dems and Reps, so I am not that easily made jealous if that is what you think.

    But I guess in typical white liberal manner, you know what's best for "us."

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    Alphaape

    Race has plenty to do with why an all-too-significant percentage of whites hate Obama. One has to wonder why you'd scrounge around for some phony evidence never to be seen at any gathering of Democrats

    @yabits: So you are telling me that the Dems are going to stick with Obama, even though there may be better candidates (Webb, Hillary, etc) just because they are afraid of chaning him out because of his race. If that is the case then the Dems deserve to loose. If they are really for wanting to help America, then theyh will go with the best qualified person, and not base it on just his race, or the fact that some in their party will feel guilt for at one time supporting him because he is black, and now not supporting him.

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    Alphaape

    Right-wing wackos have to look long and hard to find evidence of what you are talking about -- and it's not really evidence at all, since such signs would not be tolerated at a public rally of Democrats or liberals. That is what you cannot bring yourself to admit.

    What about when people like O'Reilley or Breitbart have asked that these signs are shown to them as proof by those in the media who make those claims, and so far not one has been able to be shown. Breitbart has even offered a reward and yet no one has shown him one.

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