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Aussieooo
davidattokyo at 05:56 PM JST - 23rd January
Aussieooo, Cooeebobber, reports in Australia suggest that the Yushin Maru #2 was repaired and returned to sea. Even your cult-idol, Paul Watson, recognises this on his website. The Japanese media doesn't get so excited as Aussies about every operational issue of the whaling fleet - nor do I... You guys really do love this for the drama don't you?
Lol....ok, grasping at straws now.
I cant be sure, but i would asume the japanese public dont get excited cause other nations are not in japans leagally sanctioned "santuary" brutally slaughtering whales...for NO REASON!
Id really, love to hear your point of view on the questions i put forth!
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Aussieooo
OOOPs sorry, your a bit confused there buddy.
Whales are not fish, yup...totally different. But if you want to start of fish...wow, i have a HUGE stack of PEeR reviwed papers here, showing the extent japan will go to to get tuna, and anything else that moves in the ocean. Mind you japan is not alone, but they are the largest consumer of seafood in the world and the major driver of the seafood black market. But yep, thats a whole other story..
i am waiting for your answers....not the deflection ploy.
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Aussieooo
David tokoyo, No it is you who are constantly contrdicting your self, read back on your posts. Your answer to nit and tuck, was that if the people knew the Whaling was government subsided, it would not have been able to maintain its policy on whaling.
WELL IT IS, you didnt even know that so, that proves nipandtucks point, the japanese public as a whole are unaware. And of course there not gunna hide that fact when confronted by the international community, because the facts are there! And you didnt know it....!
You said..
Again you are unaware of the realities, japan is again targetting 50 FIn whales along with the minke whales this year. FIN WHALES ARE ENDANGERED. And there are no exact numbers on the minke population, only estimates, but the J population of minkes is considered endangered by CITES.
The whale santuary! I ask you again, for the third time without an answer. Why is Japan travelling 2000 miles from home to a legally santioned whale santuary to kill whales. Why do they not do there"supermarket science" in there own eez?????
Why is japan killing 1000 whales per year (some endangered) using lethal techniques, when all but 1 (age), can be easily produced using non-lethal techniques???
Why do you then need to kill 1000 whales to find out there age? There DEAD! Thats how old they are.
And again, please show the good folks here how much PEER reviewed scientific data relating to the management of whale stocks , has come from 20 years and tens of thousands of dead whales.
Come on david, you know you know the answer, it on the net to see.....Yep, go to the top of the class, your right!! Only 5 peer reviwed papers, and of those only 2 would relate to the management of whale stocks which is the criteria of the IWC.
I would appreciate your answer to my questions.
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Aussieooo
Cooeecobber,
Lmao, oh yes, the silence is deafning. Im actually quite dissappointed, as i actually enjoy the grossly misleading, blatent lies and hypocracies that spew out from the government puppet agency ICR and the government fisheries agencies.
It really is quite amusing, but rather embarrassing for the country. Those spokespersons must be being VERY well paid I think...lol.
In the group I spoke of above, we started (and continue)a campain to send instant noodles from all over the world to japans PM, with a note.
Japans government, in an attempt to force the younger people of japan to grow a liking for whalemeat, and to try and find a consumer for the thousands of stockpiles of whalemeat going unused and unwanted, began a campain to distribute whalemeat to school tuckshops.
So we gathered (tongue in cheek), that school children were being forced to eat whalemeat they did not like, and in some cases contained mercury and toxin levels to be 10 higher than japans own health services reccomended as safe levels...that Japanese school children must be hungry, and must eat toxic food.
So overall so far we have send 74,000 packets of instant noodles to japans PM!!!!
Can you imagine his office....lmao.
All with a note, this is for your school children, and is far less toxic than whalemeat! Lmao
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Aussieooo
Mystie,
Boycotting is actually huge among fairly large groups in a lot of nations.
Facebook has a group with over 500 thousandssupporters of an end to japan whaling. In this fragile economy, no company can afford to be offside by the international public, especially as whaling dosent effect them direcly.
By boycotting ALL japanese owned companies, and sending them an email stating your reasons why, they are in a position to put pressure on the Japanese government from within.
Evertime you choose a brand which is not japanese owned, its important to let them know. The Face book groups have the email addresses of japanese companies , also the email addresses of the outlets of those products in your own country.
It is a fantasic way the allow the voice of the international community to be heard, ans could ulimatly force a change from within.
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Aussieooo
Cooeebobber is right, and the indonesians also refused them a port and turned the limping vessel away, after the japanese took the harpoon off, and tried to prentend it was not a harpoon vessel. How decieptful!
But luckily those with proof and photos, of the ship killing whales just a few weeks earlier were sent to the indonesian authorites. The yusin maru, was last seen limping away, trying to find a friendly port somehwere in the world to fix the problem. Good luck finding a friendly port, they know it will be hard to find someone sympathetic to the lies, they will probably just have to limp back to japan.
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Aussieooo
Davidtokoyo,
You sound very much to me like a ICR goverment controlled puppet.
[Japanese] that do know about [whaling], are simply horrified at the waste of tax-payers money, and of the international embarrassment it causes Japan.
YOU SAY....Japan couldn't have maintained it's policy on whaling for a quarter of a century if that were the reality.
You dont really believe that surely?
Your government subsides the whaling industry to the tune of MILLIONS of dollars per year, they admit that openly. It is a totally uneconomic and unviable industry, which could NOT stand alone without the support of tax payers dollars.
And nipandtuck is correct when he stated the majority of the japanese public are unaware that there there taxes are being spent on whaling, and ARE horrified when informed. The TRUTH is japan could NOT have maintained their whaling policy, if the public were informed of all the details relating to japans whaling.
If you are here to defend japans whaling, please research the truth, then put forth your argument.
And again I ask you to please tell me "Why japan chooses a legally santioned whale santuary to kill whales including endangered ones.? Why is japan not happy top only kill whales in its OWN waters?
So, Sea Shepherd just refuelled in Australia, eh? Not bad for a so-called "terrorist" group! But wait a minute, the Japanese whaling fleet are barred from entering Australian ports! The Yushin Maru #2 had to go to Indonesia for repairs.
How perplexing!<<<
HI Cooeecobber,
And are you also aware that Japan tried to hide its harpoon on board the yusin maru, in an attempt to gain a port in Indonesia? But after recieving photos of the yushin maru, with harpoon fitted killing whales just weeks before, thankfully the Indonesian governmet also turned the ship away.
The yusin Maru, was last seen limping away looking for a port to fix there ship!
Might have to go back to japan fellas, your barbaric torture of whales combined with the barrage of lies and deciept, is wearing thin EVERYWHERE!
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Aussieooo
Japan is the only nation killing whales, outside of its own waters and in a LEGALly santioned whale santuary. The reason the Australian government will not evict the whalers, is the fear of harming trade agreements with japan, which is morally tragic, but not unusual in the world of politics, they turn a blind eye to Japan, but enforce consequences on other nations fishing illegally in the same waters.
And your right,"""that whales are migratory and pelagic. They don't stay in one place, they roam all over the oceans.****
Whales are a universal heritage, they belong to NO ONE, and one nation does not have the right to kill endangered whales (yes endangered , they are also targeting the endangered FIN whales again this year)during a moritorium on whaling, in a whale santuary in disputed waters EEZ claimed by Australia and NZ.
Google what Japan does does to those nations fishing in there disputed territories?
There is good reason japan is killing whales, they are not finding a cure for cancer in fact they have produced almost zero peer reviewed legitimate scientific data in the last 20 years, they are not feeding the poor, in fact only 1% of the population eats whale and those are the old and wealthy, they have no culture/tradtion of whaling in huge factory fleets 2000 miles from home, no one would have a problem with there true culture.. One or 2 whales taken per year from a few small small coastal villages to feed their families.
There is NO REASON to brutally slaughter 1000 + whales per year... Other nations earn billions per year from whale watching, including small poor nations heavily reliant on whale sightings to feed their families.
What gives japan the right to jeopadize this industry, in favour of a whale killing industry that the could not exist without the MILLIONS of japanese tax payers dollars injected into whaling to keep it afloat. Tax payers dollars, most tax payers in japan dont even know about.
Why....
They are using the whaling as a smokescreen for the blatent scraping the oceans of everything else that moves including tuna. While where looking the other way...were not seeing!
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Aussieooo
Maybe Some Japanese citizens here could enlighten me as to why Japan's government continues to kill whales in a whale santuary, 2000 miles from home? Why do they not just whale in japans own waters.
There continued request for ADDITIONAL small type coastal whaling in japans own waters at the IWC, would be granted...if Japan ceased taking whales from the southern ocean.
Would japan be happy to just whale in there own waters?
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Aussieooo
David Tokoyo,
Ok, seems as you are quite stuck in your propaganda (without proof), lets look at the facts.
Japan has killed over 7,000 whales in the past 20 years, since a moritorium on the ban of commercial whaling came into place, under a "scientific whaling" loophole.
Japans Joji Morishita, has admitted "The Japanese make no bones about it – their research is toward that longed for day when commercial whaling is resumed. "
Indepent scientists, including one who is an advocate for harvesting wildlife, were asked to look through, and evaluate the huge pile of papers recieved from Japans 20 years of science whaling.
After srutiny,from that whole pile of papers we’ve got a total of one, two, three, four papers that can be said to be peer reviewed, that have some relevance to developing or managing a whaling industry and also would require lethal sampling of whales to get that information. Just four papers.
The only information that can not be obtained by NON LETHAL measures is the AGE of the whale, all the other information is readily available through non lethal means, ie tissue sampling etc!
But the important point is that within the IWC, you don’t need that age data. To establish a catch limit for whaling you need information about population structure, abundance and prior whaling history. You don’t need age data.
So Japan has cruelly slaughtered 7,000 whales for what....to find out how old they were when they KILLED em? HELLO.....now there dead!
Athletes,
Show me how Japan is sustaining anything but there own insatiable greed for anything from the ocean.
The science is a scam and you know it, might we now be able to look past that...and seek the REAL reason Japan is driving the market, and subsidising with tax payers money an industry which is uneconomically sound and less than 1 % of japanese eat whale anymore, so there is VERY minimal demand????
Is japan using the international uproar of slaughtering whales and dolphins to create an elaborate and expensive smokescreen around there illegal and mass over catches of tuna and other ocean resources, as some ex japanese fisheries ministers have suggested?
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Aussieooo
David Tokoyo, Again, I ask you to stop with the japanese ICR propanagnda, and take an unbiased good look at the history of whale populations....ALL SPECIES, as japan has also targeted humpback and fin whales in their so called science.
and again...I am still waiting for you to back up your theory that Japans "science", killing thousands of whales over 20 years in a whale santuary 2000 miles from Japans own waters has in fact produced any more than a couple of PEER reviewed papers, pertaing to the management of whales??????? http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1657789.htm
Japans refuses to recoginise an area set aside for the whales to breed without being harpooned for commercial purposes :(whale santuary).
Japan also has many disputed territories rich in fish resources (because they have fished out there own waters). How would you feel in Australia and other nations, sent huge fishing fleets into japans disputed territories and fished for "scientific" purposes of course.
Would japan react in the same manner Australia and NZ have, with tolerance"?????
Or would we see japans navy being deployed?
Japan is the largest consumer of the worlds ocean resources, and you are destroying the heritage of our childrens future . It has to stop. or there will be nothing left for ANYBODY, including japan.
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Aussieooo
Show me the peer reviwed information and what has been learned of whales from thousands of dead whales over 20 years...(independant info please), also what you have learned from lethal means that could not have been gained from non lethal means?
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Aussieooo
david Tokoyo,
You call the folks here lazy and ignorant, I ask you to show here the links to the "heaps of data" of japans science on thousands of dead whales, over the past 20 years. We will not accept Japans papers unless they meet the world requirement of being peer reviewed to enable legitamacy.
It takes a little longer to find the correct information, but we will also only accept INDEPENDANT proof, by proffessional means from people who have nothing to gain by there scrutiny and subsequent report, i think this is only fair due to your comment above, dont you! Also show us which parts of your research require LETHAL means, and what you need to learn from this method. Also show us what you have learned about whales (peer reviewed), from lethal means, that could not have been gained from non0lethal means is tissue sample, blood test.
Lazy, ignorant....we shall see!
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Aussieooo
David Tokio...
Google what happens to the health of the oceans if top end predators are sysematicly harvested.
Goggle how many whales and dolphins were in existance, before the mass commercial hunt which nearly wiped them out completely, look at the best estimates NOT JAPANS ESTIMATES, choose independant information, and see how many are around now, then try to tell me the numbers have increased.
Tell the good folks here that only less than 1% japanese folks eat whale, most goes to pet food. Tell them how many MILLIONS your government spends subsidizing the whale and dolphin kills using tax payers money...to prop up an industry that could not profit without tax payers money.
But lastly google how if japan has its way, and gains a return to commercial whaling, how many other nations will jump on the band wagon, eager to catch whales and dolphins to sell to japan. History will show you HUGE whaling fleets in the middle of the ocean, have no quotas, nor any consequences for the balance or extinction of any species. History shows profit will be the motivator out on the oceans....and who will see!
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Aussieooo
davidattokyo,
I find it rather amusing that you quote IWC resolutions, whilst condemming Sea Shepherd for there valient efforts to save a small part of the worlds heritage from the "theives of the ocean" Japan.
Your posts show you have no knowledge of the law, and little knowledge of the reasons the International ban of commercial whaling was implimented in the first place. The ban was imposed, because whaling nations at the time, including Japan continually IGNORED quotas and the zero take of endangered species and as whales became hard to find....they killed any specied they came across...systematicly almost bringing the whale population to extinction.
After the ban, most nations abided by the zero whaling, but not Japan. You speak of the so called and internationally known scam of "whaling for science". When asked to produce the "science" from 20 years of whaling IN A WHALE SANTUARY", during an international ban on whaling...Japan produced a few hundred pieces of paper. All were looked at by INDEPENDANT scientists, and of all the papers....only 5 single papers had been peer reviewed, all the other had NOT been peer reviewed, and were shown to have little or NO revelance to the management of whales. The IWC's scientists, have reproached japan several times in respect to their"science" whaling, and have found very few facts in their"science" relating to the management of whales.
If Japan werent out there, cruely slaughtering whales and dolphins... for no other reason than as a smokescreen for there MASS plunders of EVERYTHING else in the ocean, Sea Shepherd would not tbe there. Japan are the aggressors here,and I feel after 20 years of diplomatic nicitis, which have not gotten us anywhere....they are justified!
Japan are the agressors and the pirates, they are stealing mine and your heritage as any pirates would be. SHAME on you ....
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