CH3CHO's past comments

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    igloobuyerJan. 23, 2015 - 07:51PM JST

    I do indeed love Japan - I spend 20 years of my life there, my lovely wife is Japanese - all I want is for Japan to show a little more maturity, understanding and compassion

    That strategy did not work last time. Koreans took advantage of the "understanding" and began re-writing the history, while Japan hesitated to make counter arguments. Commiting a crime is one thing, accusing him of another crime he did not commit is quite another.

    bam_booJan. 23, 2015 - 08:14PM JST

    why should it be different in the case of Korea?

    There are other reasons.

    Korean professor Pak Yu Ha, the author of 제국의 위안부-식민지지배와 기억의 투쟁 "Inafu of the Empire - Colonial Rule and Battle of Memories" published in 2013, interviewed many Korean former ianfu and found a lot of them said that they became ianfu out of patriatism to the Empire. Read her book for detail.

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    igloobuyerJan. 23, 2015 - 04:09PM JST

    you can hardly complain after four years of brutal terror across the Asian/Pacific region now can you. Do you really think Japan has the right to ask for a soft landing after conducting one of the most inhumane reins of terror in the modern era?

    Regardless what hate you might have against Japan, YOU CANNOT RE-WRITE HISTORY.

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    bam_booJan. 22, 2015 - 11:35PM JST

    CH3CHO JAN. 22, 2015 - 01:01PM JST

    My view is basically the same as US Army report "Research Report: Amenities in the Japanese Armed Forces" dated November 15, 1945.

    So your view is in line with a report that was conducted just 2 and a half month after the Japanese surrender? Quite ridiculous position to dismiss 70 years of profound research by historians and several 100 testimonials by victims.

    I understand your sympathy with the victims, but you have to be objective when evaluating the evidence in the study of history. Fresh evidence and fresh reports are generally better than testimonies that were started to be collected 40 years after the incident. Right after the war, the Allies were preparing for the war crime trial and most talented intelligence officers were preparing the report.

    The testimonies by Korean former ianfu are generally of bad quality, because important elements change every time they testify. Just google and compare. If you have not, read testimonies by Yong Soo Lee and Koon Ja Kim before US Congress. http://archives.republicans.foreignaffairs.house.gov/110/33317.pdf Their written testimonies contradict oral testimonies. You cannot dismiss them just 2 out of 100, because they were the best witnesses the supporting group could send. In addition, if Koreans were abducted, why there were no records kept by the left behind families, such as letters and diaries?

    From objective standpoint, I think the US Army report is more accurate than late "testimonies."

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    bam_booJan. 21, 2015 - 09:09PM JST

    No you're not interested in the truth, but in your version of truth. The problem is not the evidence you present us here, but your selection and evaluation of the evidence.

    My view is basically the same as US Army report "Research Report: Amenities in the Japanese Armed Forces" dated November 15, 1945. How is your version of truth differ from the report and why? As Christopher Glen repeatedly admits, they cannot give any documentary or physical evidence to explain the difference from the US Army report.

    Who are the "main stream" historians? Can you name any of them? Western media keep reporting "historians estimate", "historians say" without giving any proper credit to any of them. Actually, the media is just parroting what the pressure group tells them to write.

    Muhammad Uqbah Ahmad TermiziJan. 22, 2015 - 11:13AM JST

    so, suc it up, we all responsible and we have to avoided the third from happening.

    Good point.

    20 years ago, Japanese used low key attitude toward Korean propaganda, because of sense of guilt toward ianfu. But the result was that the number inflated to 200,000, that the age went down to 12 or 13 years old, that the English name changed from comfort women to sex slaves, and that the life of ianfu changed more miserable every year. What we saw was re-writing of history, due to lack of effective counter argument.

    The choice is bad publicity or worse publicity. Bad is still better.

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    soukaJan. 21, 2015 - 12:42PM JST

    well, the world is already prepared to embrace and forgive japan with open arms for what was done back then

    You mean "world" excluding Korea? As President Pak said, It has no intention to forgive Japan for the next 1000 years at least.

    Why ianfu issue is hard to solve is well written in 제국의 위안부-식민지지배와 기억의 투쟁 Inafu of the Empire - Colonial Rule and Battle of Memories by Korean professor Pak Yu Ha published in 2013.

    http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2014/11/30/2014113000439.html

    The book was also translated into Japanese last year.

    http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E5%B8%9D%E5%9B%BD%E3%81%AE%E6%85%B0%E5%AE%89%E5%A9%A6-%E6%A4%8D%E6%B0%91%E5%9C%B0%E6%94%AF%E9%85%8D%E3%81%A8%E8%A8%98%E6%86%B6%E3%81%AE%E9%97%98%E3%81%84-%E6%9C%B4-%E8%A3%95%E6%B2%B3/dp/product-description/4022511737/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=465392&s=books

    The book raises several reasons, and one of them is re-creation of memories by Koreans. For example, Korean high schools, the professor says, use fiction novels on ianfu as facts to create false memory in students mind. There are many ianfu movies which are fictional that creates false memory to movie goers. As a result of re-created memories, solving ianfu problem is almost impossible.

    It is a good read.

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    Simon FostonJan. 21, 2015 - 09:48AM JST

    nigelboyJAN. 21, 2015 - 06:11AM JST

    ...the official finding of the Japanese government...

    Yes, I don't think we need to read the rest of your post to guess what that was.

    Would you believe "official findings" of the British or American governments if they said that there were no war crimes committed by the Allies in WW2?

    Oh, by the same token, you would not believe in the testimonies of former ianfu or any research by feminist groups because they have vested interest. Of course, you would not read some of the news media that are "biased." That leaves you the media of your pick.

    But if you select information by who reported it rather than what is reported, you risk narrowing your view.

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    justbcuzisayJan. 20, 2015 - 08:49PM JST

    How can you cherry pick facts like that? The Kono statement is CLEARLY about the mistreatment of the women, no matter what they were called.

    You seem to conveniently misunderstand Kono statement beyond what it means. http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/statement.html

    Kono Statement

    The recruitment of the comfort women was conducted mainly by private recruiters who acted in response to the request of the military. The Government study has revealed that in many cases they were recruited (by the pimps) against their own will, through coaxing coercion, etc., and that, at times, administrative/military personnel directly took part in the recruitments (though it is not mentioned if it was against their will or if coaxing or coersion was used in the latter case).

    Undeniably, this, (namely prostitution,) was an act, with the involvement of the military authorities of the day, that severely injured the honor and dignity of many women. The Government of Japan would like to take this opportunity once again to extend its sincere apologies and remorse to all those, irrespective of place of origin, who suffered immeasurable pain and incurable physical and psychological wounds as comfort women.

    Can you give any other interpretation than this?

    Hence, in short, Japanese government appologized for the prostitution, though legal at the time, from ethical stand point.

    bam_booJan. 20, 2015 - 09:48PM JST

    Posters like CH3CHO or nigelboy meticulously go into details and seem concerned with "truth" about what happened,

    Yes I am concerned about the truth for, otherwise, history would be re-written by organized pressure groups. The only way to fight against revisionism is to show the evidence.

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    soukaJan. 20, 2015 - 03:10PM JST

    as CH3CH0 mentioned, prostitution was legal at the time, yeah, very legal to take advantage of innocent, defenseless people. keep trying to justify the very falsehood of wwii horrid crimes.

    You take it wrong. I am not interested in "justifying" what Japan did. I am posting here because I am against re-writing of history, one way or the other.

    Just read the "Research Report: Amenities in the Japanese Armed Forces" by Allied Translator and Interpriter Section, Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers issued on November 15, 1945. http://www.awf.or.jp/pdf/0051_5.pdf Read from page 191 backward to page 176.

    I think the report very credible because it was written by US Army right after the war.

    Now, we have inconsistent testimonies by Korean former ianfu, which generally contradict the US Army report and which have no physical or documentary support but words only. And we have assertions by those whom the Western media call "revisionists" which match what is written in the US Army report.

    Who do you think is re-writing the history?

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    justbcuzisayJan. 20, 2015 - 12:32PM JST

    CH3CHO - I am thoroughly confused. You use the Kono statement (etc) as proof of Japanese compassion, yet you say that the things they apologise for are lies?

    Japanese government appologized for the prostitution, though legal at the time, from ethical stand point.

    Kono Statement

    The recruitment of the comfort women was conducted mainly by private recruiters who acted in response to the request of the military. The Government study has revealed that in many cases they were recruited against their own will, through coaxing coercion, etc., and that, at times, administrative/military personnel directly took part in the recruitments.

    In short, pimps did it. The responsibility of the government is limited to the oversight of the recruiters. Japanese government did instruct them not to use illegal means. The instruction is recorded in the archives. Kono statement does not say anything about illegalities in the recruitment process by the military.

    There are people who get stimulated by the word "sex slave" to dream a day dream. But a day dream is a day dream and you cannot re-write history.

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    igloobuyerJan. 20, 2015 - 10:54AM JST

    Will it ever happen?

    It did. http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/statement.html

    See also Letter from Prime Minister to the Former Comfort Women http://www.awf.or.jp/e6/statement-12.html

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    FernGullyJan. 20, 2015 - 08:48AM JST

    The second edition was published in 2003, which is 12 years ago.

    And 5th eddition was published in 2010.

    http://www.amazon.com/Traditions-amp-Encounters-Global-Perspective/dp/0073385646

    One should read "Research Report: Amenities in the Japanese Armed Forces" by Allied Translator and Interpriter Section, Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers issued on November 15, 1945 to find who re-wrote the history.

    http://www.awf.or.jp/pdf/0051_5.pdf Read from page 191 backward to page 176.

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    noypikantokuJan. 19, 2015 - 03:36PM JST

    You seem to have no idea of what you are criticizing.

    The ad was published in Kyeong Seong Ilbo on July 26, 1944.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Jvd4VYISqpE/UpYpFHdMyVI/AAAAAAAAAC4/Jx0sLSazAks/s1600/AdToRecruitComfortWomen.jpg

    Comfort Women Wanted, Urgent

    Age: 17 or older, upto around 23

    Work Place: Unit in rear area, Comfort Station

    Monthly Pay: 300 yen or more, Advance upto 3000 yen available

    Contact in person from 8 am to 10 pm

    Imai Work Agency

    Phone: 4-1613

    Do you have any reason to question the ad?

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    Christopher GlenJan. 19, 2015 - 12:16PM JST

    You must admit, the testimonial evidence is pretty much stacked against the revisionists on this one.

    Testimonies must be consistent.

    To my knowledge, two Korean former ianfu has so far testified before US congress. Both of them made written and oral testimonies, and the written versions are contradicting to their oral versions. Read the transcript here. http://archives.republicans.foreignaffairs.house.gov/110/33317.pdf

    Just google the name of any Korean former ianfu who has testified. You would always find different and conflicting versions of testimonies by the same person.

    Christopher, which version of testimony by each of them should Japanese believe? By the way, this happens almost only to Korean former ianfu. The testimonies by Indonesians or Filipinas are much more consistent and trustworthy.

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    Simon FostonJan. 19, 2015 - 11:22AM JST

    It seems that you cherry pick bits of people's posts, make insolent assumptions like this which fit in with what you would like to think and ignore the rest. So debating anything with you or commenting on anything you have to say is a waste of time.

    If you want to personally attack and insult other commenters here, you should be accountable. You cannot hit and run. When did I "cherry pick bits of people's posts, make insolent assumptions"?

    Just look at the title of the article. "Japan asks U.S. publisher to change 'sex slave' reference in textbook"

    It seems you do not understand the nature of the debate. It is whether ianfu were prostitutes or sex slaves.

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    Simon FostonJan. 19, 2015 - 01:44AM JST

    It is no secret that Japan created ianfu system and it is by no means illegal per se.

    Prostitution is legal, even today. Look at European countries. Some of the European states even issue permissions for prostitutes.

    It seems you do not understand the nature of the debate. It is whether ianfu were prostitutes or sex slaves.

    You quoted the document written by the adjutants of the North China Army and Central China Expeditionary Army on March 4th 1938. Do you understand that it is the evidence that ianfu system was NOT illegal, by prohibiting illegal means of recruiting prostitutes?

    I am afraid your comments are pointless.

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    browny1Jan. 16, 2015 - 03:33PM JST

    it's about Abe & Co being able to see it from a world perspective and understand that their view will never be wholly accepted. It's that simple. There is too much doubt around their argument for others to about face.

    Any leader worth his or her salt would be able to comprehend this reality.

    Tell so to Galileo, and he would admit the sun moves around the earth.

    gaijintravellerJan. 16, 2015 - 06:40PM JST

    Of course, the Deputy Prime Minister's family did not have slaves working in their mines either.

    Here again, a cheap attempt to misguide people. http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/SlaveryConvention.aspx

    Slavery Convention of 1926 distinguishes "slavery" from "compulsory labor for public purposes." Read Article 5.

    Subject to the transitional provisions laid down in paragraph (2) below, compulsory or forced labour may only be exacted for public purposes.

    Some of Aso's mines were essential to the national economy, Japanese government provided conscripted workers under National Mobilization Act during the last years of WW2. The workers fall on "compulsory laborers for public purposes" and are not slaves.

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    igloobuyerJan. 16, 2015 - 05:50PM JST

    they raped, pillaged, murdered and tortured their way throughout the Asian region during th war?

    The problem is that not a sigle battle took place in Korea during WW2, unlike other areas in Asia. Hence no war related raping, murdering, or torturing.

    In addition, rape is totally different from prostitution. You should not confuse them.

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    smithinjapanJan. 16, 2015 - 03:27PM JST

    CH3CHO: "If that is your definition, those who were deceived are excluded."

    So you admit people were deceived, then. Good on you! You just want to call it something else.

    How can my comment be interprited that I admit people were deceived?

    smithinjapanJan. 16, 2015 - 04:57PM JST

    and in the case of sex slaves insist they were all prostitutes (meanwhile people like CH3CHO keep changing their definitions of what that means!).

    Would you show me how my definition keeps changing?

    I hope you stop those non senses on my comment.

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    Stuart haywardJan. 16, 2015 - 02:08PM JST

    Make people? Realize the reality? That sounds very similar to German Gestapo tactics.

    Why are you so afraid of truth?

    Though I'm sure you can't find any links, showing that these girls were Free to leave anytime, even if they could escape, they didn't have the money nor means to do so.

    In 2013, a diary of a Korean manager of iansho, comfort station/brothel was found in Korea and was published. It was also translated into Japanese.http://www.naksung.re.kr/xe/index.php?mid=sepdate&document_srl=181713&ckattempt=1

    On February 1, 1944, he took 5 ianfu who were returning home to the station and bid farewell.

    On April 6, 1944, he took 3 ianfu who were returning home to the station and bid farewell.

    On April 14, 1944, he sent earnings of two ianfu who had returned to Korea by cable from a bank.

    On June 5, 1944, he bid farewell to two ianfu who were returning home.

    On June 1 1944, he sent earnings of one ianfu who had returned to Korea by cable from a bank.

    The diary goes on. Do I need to show you more?

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    Stuart haywardJan. 16, 2015 - 02:08PM JST

    CH3CHO Says, "it does not say anything about the nationality or ethnicity of the Japanese agents"

    Lol, the official statement clearly says JAPANESE AGENTS, it does NOT say Korean or any other nationality.

    A Japanese agent may be a US national, a UK national, a Russian national or whatever national. A Japanese agent may be ethnic Korean, ethnic Chinese, ethnic German, or of whatever ethnicity. CIA has a lot of foreign national agents, does not it? Do we need to discuss any further to establish my point?

    If a link does not say anything about nationality or ethnicity, we need to look at other links, do not we?

    The definition of sex slave: A person who is forced into prostitution and held against their will

    If that is your definition, those who were deceived are excluded.

    If someone tells an unskilled woman that she can earn a lot of money by just doing some easy work and that she can also get a huge amount of advance payment with which her parents and siblings can live for a year or two, what do you think her job would be? Sticking bandaids?

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