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MadokaKato
All this because Tiger was sleeping around? If he was living in Asia, no once would care about this.
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MadokaKato
genjuro,
I never accused you of saying Yuna doesn't deserve the gold. Anyone has to be a complete idiot to say that. I am only saying if Mao Asada didn't falter, and Yuna won the gold, then this would be an interesting conversation about the judging.
Nothing can be as bad as 1980 when the judging was already made before the competition began and they selected the East German over Linda Frantiane.
How about 1988 in boxing, when Roy Jones obviously kicked the cr@p out the Korean, but the Korean got the gold. Even the Korean fighter said Roy Jones won that fight.
I don't know how the current judging system works. I am confused since the announcers made a comment how no female has ever attempted 2 triple axels in a free skating, but for some odd reason Rochette's elements are considered higher than Mao? I also don't know if triple lutz+triple toeloop is considered more difficult than triple axel+double loop? Since I am not a figure skating expert, this new judging system is still a bit confusing.
Posted in: Kim Yu-na wins figure skating gold with record score; Asada 2nd
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MadokaKato
Bring on Canada!!
Posted in: Canada to face U.S. for gold in men's ice hockey
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MadokaKato
genjuro,
It doesn't matter, Yuna won the gold fair and square.
True the scoring system was a bit suspicious when the gap between Mao Asada and Rochette was close. I thought there were other skaters who skated better than Rochette. Yuna and Mao were pretty much in their own class, because they were doing far more difficult elements than the other skaters.
The controversy is more like the battle of bronze, but what's the point fighting over a bronze medal. Mirai Nagasu was happy just to come in 4th place, because nothing was expected from her.
Posted in: Kim Yu-na wins figure skating gold with record score; Asada 2nd
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MadokaKato
There is no debate on Kim's gold, she deserved her gold. When Asada faltered, you saw Kim's face that she knew she got the gold, because it was only Mao who had a shot for an upset.
Usually Kim falters on the free program, but once she skated clean and saw her 150+ she knew that the pressure is now on Mao. If Mao skated cleanly, I don't think it mattered. Maybe then would be a scoring controversy.
Don't get me wrong, I am NOT pro-Japan on this. I think Shizuka Arakawa's gold medal was a joke. She won, because Sasha Cohen fell and so did Slutskya. Sasha Cohen was already dressed up in her street clothes, because she didn't think she won a medal, until someone told her and she had to hurry back and get dressed again.
This is the part where I didn't understand why the Japanese media made such a big fuss about Shizuka Arakawa. Mao Asada wasn't allowed to compete because of her age, and Yuna Kim was still playing in the Juniors. 2006 was the biggest joke in figure skating competition since the Tanya Harding issue.
I am not a Miki Ando fan either. I wanted either Mao or Yuna to win.
By the way, whatever happened to Sasha Cohen? Did she not qualify for 2010? Because I was surprised that there was only 2 slots for the US skaters, while Japan had 3.
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MadokaKato
I forgot to mention 1 thing.
These Japanese reporters are really annoying. Why are they getting into Mao's face after she lost? Is it that hard to give a 19 year old some space.
That was the other thing I realized that Yuna can handle the media better than Mao too.
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MadokaKato
What is this "sour grapes" cr@p?
Yuna Kim won the gold. If Mao skated flawlessly, I don't think between gold and silver it didn't make any difference. just a smaller margin of victory and maybe Mao would have broken Yuna's previous world record.
I'd followed Mao since 2006, when they talked about how she was unable to compete in the Olympics, even though she was ranked #1 in the world. At that time I had no idea what she looked like. Then after the Olympics, it looked like a friendly rival between Mao Asada and Yuna Kim and they were exchanging titles for the next 2 years.
After I saw Mao's last victory over Yuna in 2009 at Seoul, it seemed like Yuna was improving while Mao did not. Is it coaching? Is it attitude? I don't know. From that last victory on, it seems like Yuna was developing some new things, especially with speed. Mao seemed to have problems. Yuna also developed into a real beauty. Her relationship with Brian Orser seemed really close, much like a 2nd father figure. Something I didn't see with Mao's relationship with Tarasova.
If Yuna have lost, I would have felt really bad for her. The last time she lost to Mao and apologized to her fellow Koreans for losing in Korea, I felt really bad for her. I also became a fan of Yuna Kim. Now it's Mao's turn.
I hope both do return for 2014, but Yuna is getting way too popular. She's going to make far more money now that she brought Korea their 1st Figure Skating gold. She already has a singing career, and there's going to be no doubt that she will have an acting career too. If she decided to continue to skate, she will have no time for a singing or acting career. She's going to get more endorsements than she ever had before.
Mao still has much to prove herself. Silver is not bad, but she was capable enough to get the gold if she had proper coaching. Maybe she should go to Brian Orser, because you got to give him credit the way he blossomed Yuna. Tarasova only seemed to care when she is competing.
The gold and silver was pretty obvious. They pretty much separated from other skaters, but Yuna separated from Mao. Something which I never seen, when both were healthy.
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MadokaKato
Rochette deserve the silver?
You have to be kidding me.
Who dressed Mao? For some reason Yuna looked taller and sexier, but they are the same height. If Mao looked like Midori Ito, I can understand why she is dressed that way, but Mao is cute and capable of looking sexy.
Yuna is sexy, even though she is 2 weeks older than Mao, she looked like she is 5 years more mature than Mao. Orser did a great job in making Yuna confident about her sex appeal. Maybe Mao should have Orser coach her, because she hasn't developed in the last 2 years.
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MadokaKato
smithinjapan,
From what I see, while Yuna improved in the last 2 years, I haven't seem Mao improve at all. Mao could beat Yuna, but you are right. Mentally, she is too immature. Mao has a gift, but it doesn't seems like she has a coach in developing her gift. When I see the relationship between Mao and Tarasova to Yuna and Orser, you can tell that Orser is spending more time with Yuna and developing her. I don't know what the hell is going on with Mao and Tarasova. From what I see, Mao didn't seem to improve for the last 2 years.
I support Kim, but I also see the difference where 1 has improved and the other has not. Between 2006-2008 it looked to me like Mao had the advantage. Mao would have won the gold in 2006 if it wasn't for that stupid IOC under 16 rule.
I don't know why you are being an @$$ smithinjapan, but I also understand the Japanese media is a bit annoying. I had a friend who was the world record holder in swimming and she was favored to win in the Olympics. She was winning all the way until the last 10 meters and didn't win a medal.
You think Mao was taking abuse by the Japanese media, Midori Ito was taking far worse abuse. She seemed like she eating some chocolates and got a bit chunky before the Albertville games.
WHy are you arguing with me anyways? No matter what I say, Yuna won. It would have been interesting if Mao did not make any mistakes to see how close the score would have been. Mao might have beaten Yuna's previous world record. After her flaws, it was over, but elements were good enough to win the silver.
smithinjapan, maybe you should leave the country if you can't stand NHK and other Japanese sports broadcasters.
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MadokaKato
If Japan didn't $uck so bad in this Olympics and won some gold, I would have been cheering on Yuna Kim only because she is sexier than Mao.
Since Japan was so pathetic this year in the Olympics, I wanted Yuna to win, but I also wanted Japan to at least win 1 gold.
I think Berbert61 is correct, before the coaching change, Mao and Yuna were trading off titles. Since Tarasova, it seems like Mao has only beaten Yuna once in the last 2 years.
You got to give Brian Orser credit for developing Yuna. Orser also mentioned Yuna's maturity beyond her age. Orser seems to spend time with Yuna and showed his loving guidance. I don't mean that sexually either, since Orser is gay. Like a father-daughter type bond. I don't know what kind of relationship Mao had with Tarasova, but it seems like Mao did not improve while Yuna did the past 2 years.
It is because of Mao, Yuna pushed herself to get better. Maybe Mao should ask Brian Orser to coach her, it would be pretty cool if Yuna stays they can be practicing together.
One thing I am bitter about was when Mao was not allowed to compete in 2006, because of her age. I still think Shizuka Arakawa's gold medal is a joke.
Mao is actually cute, so why is she dressed like a little girl? She's only 2 weeks younger than Yuna.
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MadokaKato
Love to see Canada losing to the US in their own national sport and in Canadian soil..
Canada bites!!
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MadokaKato
smithinjapan,
I didn't know I was sour grapes since I am happy that Yuna Kim won. Mao has beaten Kim before, but she was injured last year and unable to land her triple axels and not only Yuna beat Mao, but others too.
Mao is capable of beating Yuna, and she has done it before so I don't understand why you are saying it's impossible?
True Yuna has matured far more than Mao has. It was obvious. I don't understand how this figure skating judging works, but I thought Mao had the more difficult elements than Yuna. Don't know since I am not a judge here and I don't know how the system works. If Mao was flawless, would she have beaten Yuna? Too bad no one will find out.
Maybe Mao should hire Brian Orser as her coach now. He seemed to train Yuna like a man, because I never seen any female skater doing all these combination jumps with full speed while most other skaters slows down including Mao.
smithinjapan, why would Yuna want to stay as an amateur?
She got her medal, and know she is a hero in Korea. She seems like she has a singing career so why stick around? She's going to get more endorsements now since she won the gold for Korea.
As much as I want Yuna to stay, I think she's going to retire. There's nothing more for her to do. Tara Lipinski retired after she won the gold and she was about 14-15. So did Sara Hughes.
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MadokaKato
I'm happy that Kim won too, but I wish Mao did not stumble.
I was hoping for both to skate clean and there would be a controversy on the scoring. As soon as Mao stumbled, there was no controversy, the gold belonged to Yuna Kim.
I still think Mao is capable to beat Yuna Kim, because she has done it before. If Mao had a clean skate who knows how close the scoring would have been.
Well at least we know that Mao will be training for 2014, but I think this will be the last we will see Yuna Kim as an Olympian. She has too many things ahead of her now, with the upcoming millions, maybe billions filling in her wallet.
The only skater to beat Yuna Kim was Mao Asada. It was over when Mao stumbled. Yuna looked confident and Mao did not.
Mao will only be 23 in 2014 so she's still young. As long as she stays in shape, I think she will be the skater to beat in 2014.
It would be nice to see both of them to compete in 2014, but it seems like Mao is the only most likely to stay.
Yuna Kim is already a big time celebrity and her life is pretty much set without figure skating. I hope she doesn't turn out like Oksana Baiul.
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MadokaKato
LoveUSA,
That's what makes the free skate more exciting.
If Mao lands on her 2 triple axels, I think the gold is hers to lose. Depending on how the judging works, if Mao and Yuna both skate a mistake free program, technically Mao can recover the 4-5 points, because she is skating far more difficult program.
It would be very heart-breaking if either lose by skating their best program mistake free. Unfortunately, both can not win the gold together unless some fluke happens.
I will be heart-broken tomorrow, because one of them will lose.
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MadokaKato
It's funny you mentioned 1988, since none of them were even born.
When Shizuka Arakawa won the gold in 2006, I thought it was a joke. She wasn't the best skater in Japan, because the IOC have that stupid 16 and under rule which Mao Asada did not qualify even though she was the #1 skater in the world.
4 points is not a big margin. Mao looked comfortable after she landed her triple axel. Who wouldn't be nervous? How many female skaters can do a triple axel? Yuna is not one of them.
All Mao has to do is land her 2 triple axel and it is her gold to lose. Depending on how the judges credit more on the elements or the artistic beauty. Since I'm not the judge, I can't say.
Mao always struggled in her short program so just finishing and landing her triple axel without making any mistake is exceeding far better than what she expected, because she usually falls 10 points behind Yuna. If she lands her 2 triple axels, she is capable of defeating Yuna.
I think Shizuka Arakawa gold medal is a joke. I can care less about it, but since her medal is Japan's only medal during that Olympics yeah she is considered the Ice Queen, but she wasn't even the best skater in Japan.
Oh yeah, when was the last time when a gold medalist had a lead in the short program?? 1992?
What did Michelle Kwan and Sasha Cohen had in common? They both had the lead in the short program and did not win the gold. This can not happen to Yuna Kim?
I hope both Yuna and Mao skate their best without falling. I'm pretty sure if both skate perfectly, the battle between Mao and Yuna will be talked about for the next 20-30 years.
Posted in: Inside the Rings: Kim Yu-na, licensed to thrill
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MadokaKato
Blue Tiger, it's Brian Orser not Boitano who coached Yuna Kim.
Orser was in the losing end of the battle of the Brians.
Of course Kim looks to be enjoying herself in the short program. Why wouldn't Mao be stressed about the short program when this is usually her weakness. She always started off slow in her short and usually falling 10 points behind Yuna. If Mao lands her 2 triple axels, it is hers to lose. She beat Yuna before so it's not impossible for Mao to pull it off.
Plus Mao was the one struggling last year and it didn't help when she was injured and unable to land her triple axel.
Mao can do something which Yuna can't and it would be a good idea to put 2 triple axels in her free program, because that is the only way she could beat Yuna unless Yuna fall.
The pressure is on both of them. Perhaps more on Yuna, because South Korea has never won a medal in this event. SO don't give me this BS that there is no pressure on Yuna.
I'd be happy if either wins.
Posted in: Inside the Rings: Kim Yu-na, licensed to thrill
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MadokaKato
By the way, I was joking about Canada..
I don't care who said about Yuna Kim being a Canadian.
Canadians are just fun to make fun of that's all.
Posted in: Inside the Rings: Kim Yu-na, licensed to thrill
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MadokaKato
Kim got the score and she deserved it. She skated with confidence and beauty, but it's the short program. Mao did far better than anyone expected, because the short program is not her strength. When Mao beats Kim, she usually falls behind Kim by 10 or more points after the short program before going all out on free. So 4 points is not that bad, especially since Mao skated her best short program ever.
Yuna and Mao both did the right thing by NOT training in their homeland. That was Midori Ito's mistake, because a country like Korea and Japan where space is limited. They can't walk around without being recognized.
I can't imagine if Yuna trained in Korea. Her life would be in ruins, because no one would leave her alone or give her any privacy for such a young age. Canada is a perfect place to train. The population of Canada is far less than the city of Tokyo, plus it's bigger than the U.S. in land mass.
Mao is trained in either Russia or the U.S., which is far better than being trained in Japan. She would have suffered the same way as Midori Ito did if she was trained in Japan.
We have to savor this moment, because we will probably never see a figure skating matchup this exciting and a battle between Japan & Korea.
I think the pressure is more on Yuna Kim since Korea has never won a figure skating medal. Japan did, with that fluke victory by Shizuka Arakawa in 2006.
I remember Midori Ito suffering in 92, because the Japanese media just wouldn't leave her alone. Plus she got a bit chunky in the Olympics and unable to land her triple axel.
Posted in: Inside the Rings: Kim Yu-na, licensed to thrill
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MadokaKato
I did not claim yesterday that Kim got a generous score. I said that Kim skated better, but not by 4+ points.
The Canadian got a very generous score, because her elements weren't as difficult as Mao or Yuna and she is only 2 points behind Mao?? If Mao fell, then I understand, but she didn't.
Of course Kim is more confident than Mao. Kim was winning all the competition last year while Mao was struggling. Mao was also injured so she was unable to land her triple axel. It didn't help when Kim decided to pull out of the final contest before the Olympics which Mao won, but I thought it was a great move for Kim. Why help Mao gain her confidence before the Olympics or take a chance getting injured?
I can care less about the Canadian skater. As long as either Kim or Mao wins the gold, that's fine with me.
Saying Kim is a Canadian is an insult. I'd be offended being called a Canadian.
Posted in: Inside the Rings: Kim Yu-na, licensed to thrill
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MadokaKato
I don't know why everyone thinks Kim is a lock?
Mao skated her best ever short program which she usually chokes on. Even when Mao defeated Yuna in the past, she always struggle on the short and then go all out on the free. 4 points is nothing compared to the 10+ she usually falls behind Yuna. So this is nothing new to Mao.
I'd be happy if either wins. I thought that Canadian got a generous score, because Mao and Yuna skated far better than her and she is only 2 points behind Mao and 7 behind Yuna??
I haven't seen figure skating this exciting ever. 2 of the best Yuna and Mao skating their best short program in the Olympics. I hope they both skate their best in the free.
It would be cool if they compete in 2014.
Posted in: Inside the Rings: Kim Yu-na, licensed to thrill