Wednesday February 15, 2012

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    Molenir

    If they do not torture, then what is their problem with a routine visit by a UN investigator?

    He can visit, what he's whining about is unfiltered access. No one but the mans lawyer is entitled to that.

    Posted in: UN official says US breaks rules in torture probe

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    Molenir

    Gee, but I thought the head of the USNRC told congress in march that US plants were absolutely safe from all earthquakes and tsunami? You mean he LIED?

    lol, I doubt that. I mean a 9.0 earthquake could happen tomorrow, and a tsunami then could sweep accross the land, wiping out cities and towns, oh yes, and damaging a nuclear reactor. A few hundred thousand people might be killed by the tsunami, but no big deal, what matters is that the nuclear reactor might fail, and a few people, might get cancer 20 years from now...

    Posted in: US panel says changes needed at US nuclear plants

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    Molenir

    Rupert Murdoch operates under a completely different agenda. People within his organization thought it was absolutely OK to hack into the private phones of a number of genuine victims of tragedies. For at least two years this criminal behavior was going on.

    Wrong. Not surprising but wrong. No one thinks its ok to break the law in pursuit of a story. That there were people doing so who worked for him, is not a reflection on him personally, but on those he hired to oversee and manage the paper. However if you think this the only occurrence and that no lib papers have ever used tactics such as this, then you couldn't be more wrong. This isn't a conservative/liberal issue, this is a people and ethics issue. One thats universal. The outrage though, thats a political thing.

    Posted in: Amid scandal, Murdoch kills off News of the World

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    Molenir

    US is already doing it.

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    Molenir

    He's part of the Useless Nations, why wouldn't he?

    Posted in: UN official says US breaks rules in torture probe

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    Molenir

    So, that is what the number is for you: Three? I'm betting you could be shown triple that number and would still remain a Murdoch devotee.

    And yet despite it all, you haven't got any evidence to back this up. While I've seen a huge amount of evidence to the contrary. So, despite what you say, its the lib media that lies, and tries to cover it up, not Fox News. Either back it up with facts, or admit you're blowing smoke.

    Not only did the Times fire Blair, they changed their internal procedures to make another occurrence of such an incident far less likely in the future.

    Heh, so funny. You obviously have no clue then eh? Never heard of Kantor? Do a bit of research. She is by far, not the only one. The Times has gotten much, much worse.

    Posted in: Amid scandal, Murdoch kills off News of the World

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    Molenir

    It was the Times that discovered that Blair was plagiarizing and informed its readers after firing him -- keeping intact their high standards of journalism. The management and editorship of the Times does not have its staff make up stories the way that Murdoch-run organizations do.

    Oh, is that how you spin it? Heh. Perhaps you can respond to their problems with Kantor as well? That is not the only example either, we could go further. So to bring back your question, the one you fail to provide any evidence to support, how many made up stories does it take, before a news organization can be considered dishonest?

    But once again, you try to snipe at someone with sarcastic comments, and still have not shown me the three cases of where Fox News made up stories as concrete proof.

    @Alphaape: Sorry bud, but you know he's just blowing hot air. He has no evidence to back it up. If Libs did, they'd be shouting it from the heavens.

    I'm not saying it doesn't, or couldn't happen. People are people, regardless of their political persuasion. And management can be poor at any news organization. That said, it was liberal policies of affirmative action that led directly to the biggest blunders at the Times since Durranty. The same cannot be said of CBS news, who willfully and maliciously chose to believe a story, without any corresponding evidence to support it, simply because they liked the politics of it. Thats what got Rather fired. It wasn't that he simply failed to check his sources, it was that he chose to believe it, simply because he liked what they were telling him, and that is a fatal error for an organization or individual that wants to be taken seriously. Fox though checks their sources, and when they don't, they publish retractions. They certainly don't go on air, every day for a week to try to cover it up, nor do they ignore the story for days simply because they don't like how it attacks one of their own. You remember, the only ones who dared to publish the Rathergate story was Fox News. It wasn't until days later, after everything had already come unraveled that ABC and NBC both came out, and it was days later that CBS and Rather finally admitted their mistake.

    Posted in: Amid scandal, Murdoch kills off News of the World

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    Molenir

    So since you know it all, please give to me, a blind man all of the stories that Fox News has made up.

    Come on now Alpha, you know they can't do that. This is liberal spin, not actual reality. Fox News Lies, thats their mantra. The fact that Fox is actually more reputable, then any of the other networks drives them crazy. Especially since the reason they have more credibility, is that they are willing to cover the stories other networks don't bother with. The ones that cast libs in a bad light. Hence the need to make up lies about them.

    There shouldn't be any difficultly with a fundamentally honest person answering the question of how many false news stories would it take to renounce the news organization putting them out.

    Heh, you have yet to point out a single false news story, so the point is really moot. On the other hand I have pointed out one, and could point out many others. You only need to look at the Times. lol, with the Jason Blair issue as well as so many others, its almost become a joke. Almost no one takes it seriously any more.

    Posted in: Amid scandal, Murdoch kills off News of the World

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    Molenir

    There's only one example I can think of and that's the Dan Rather affair -- which came about as a failure to adequately fact-check claims that were brought to them.

    lol, well thats the spin on things anyway. The truth of the matter is a bit different but its understandable that you don't want to acknowledge that your own side lies.

    Baloney. MS-NBC is highly critical of the Obama administration and a great many Democrats. Yet another Murdoch devotee who believes in the falsehoods he conveys.

    Sorry, but when you hear the Dem talking points, very nearly word for word from MSNBC, you stop believing this. There are some decent people who work there. I grant you that, but they are nonetheless, mouthpieces for the Obama administration.

    MS-NBC has former RNC Chairman Michael Steele on nearly every day.

    Sorry, what was that you were saying about strawmen? lol, Steele is no more conservative then you are yabits.

    We have demonstrated what happens right here: I asked a person how many examples of fabricated stories would it take before they admitted that Murdoch-led Faux News is unreliable, and they couldn't bring themselves to deliver anything

    Interesting, lets turn this around then shall we? How many made up, fabricated stories would it take before you admit CBS News, or MSNBC is unreliable? We have 1 even you admit to, how many more examples do you need? And will you count lack of coverage as well?

    Faux News is an extremely dark shade of gray, indistinguishable from black. They have ZERO journalistic integrity.

    Heh, coming from someone who watches a steady diet of MSNBC, that means... absolutely nothing.

    Where did get that idea? None of car dealers waiting room are not showing FOX here. Every candidates who have been supported by FOX ALL FAILED including Palin.

    Heh, candidates supported by FOX? Which candidates are you referring to? I don't remember Fox ever endorsing a candidate. Perhaps you could point me to the story where that happened. As to what I'm talking about, I'm simply talking about ratings, which are easily double the nearest cable news network, and frequently outpace all 3 of the others together.

    Most strong libs are not accepting their offer to be on FOX.

    Most 'strong' libs are terrified to go on and defend their points of view. However those who do have a bit of courage, even the most radical are allowed on. Just look at how often they have on Al Sharpton. No, the problem isn't people accepting, but rather them being afraid to go up and debate their positions.

    Posted in: Amid scandal, Murdoch kills off News of the World

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    Molenir

    In fact, they have right to not only spin and skew, but to completely lie.

    Indeed, CBS News knows all about that. Particularly the idea of making up stories to suit their biases. And of course its hard to be a credible news organization, when you are the unofficial mouthpiece for the Obama administration. MSNBC is all about that. CNN isn't really much better, though at least they give a shout out to fairness at times. Heres something to note. On Fox, when O'Reilly and Hannity come on to give their opinions, you'll note they always have a liberal there to give their own opinion. Yes they may be shouted down, but they're always there. Contrast this with the other networks that frequently ignore the conservative viewpoint.

    Fox actually plays things straight. They cover both stories that make conservatives look bad and stories that make libs look bad. Unlike the other networks, which won't cover those stories unless its absolutely shoved in their faces. And even then they try to spin the news to minimize the impact. Its the obvious bias of the other networks that makes Fox so successful. And the reason why Fox is hated so by the libs. They have no problem with the idea that conservatives should always be maligned, but daring to actually show stuff that shows the libs true colors, to a lib, there is no greater crime.

    One of the things the libs don't understand, is that by putting libs out there, giving them a chance to answer, and express their viewpoint in opposition to the conservative views, it actually helps bring the 2 sides together, as people can see that the positions, frequently aren't all that far apart. That things are not always black and white, but frequently shades of grey.

    There are simply too many ways that the snakes at Fox could slither out of actually delivering, and intelligent people know that.

    Ah, so Fox is bluffing, knowing no one will call. Heh, if it was me, I would call just to see them fold, or as you put it, to try to slither out of it. Somehow I doubt that would happen, but hey what do I know

    There has never been a media organization with less regard for journalistic integrity among supposedly free societies than Murdoch's News Corp, and we witness the results right here in these forums from its defenders.

    lol, as opposed to those on a steady diet of news from such reputable sources as MSNBC? Thanks I'll take Fox every day of the week. At least I'll have a chance to find out the news, and not just that which Obama wants me to know. I'm honestly amazed that anyone can write or say something like this with a straight face. Do you have to practive to make your faux outrage appear real?

    Posted in: Amid scandal, Murdoch kills off News of the World

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    Molenir

    The conservatives invaded American journalism and one of the their early acts was to bitterly defend their right to lie bold face. Bizarrely they won. But, perhaps no surprise, their conservative fans watch FOX bitterly defend their right to lie, yet keep watching FOX news.

    Heh, one of the staunch libs who prefer to mock Fox News by referring to it as Faux News. The sad thing is, the difference between Fox and its counterparts, is that Fox actually covers the news, while the others, simply ignore stories they don't like. (This is what libs refer to as lying.) Another difference is that the lib networks actively push for Obama, completely undercutting any claims to impartiality or fairness. (A tingle running up their leg.) Fox has been successful by mixing opinion with news. This is not going to change, despite this scandal. Indeed, you have to wonder, how much of this tempest is due to Murdoch's political leanings, and how much is actual outrage over crimes that were committed.

    As for the allegation that Murdoch himself knew about this, heh, its completely ludicrous. The idea that Murdoch himself knows of all the actions of his employees, and is regularly consulted on them is idiotic. At best, he looks at financial reports. He has no interest in the specific stories they cover. Indeed, its doubtful he even cares about the slant of the news, just that its profitable.

    Posted in: UK's News of the World bids farewell to readers

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    Molenir

    Betty Ford was a great woman, who can be admired, not for who or what she was, but rather for what she overcame, and the courage her example gave to others. Her inspiration saved thousands of lives, as well as the families of those struggling with their problems. Truly a great woman who leaves behind a great legacy.

    Posted in: Former first lady Betty Ford dies at 93

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    Molenir

    However, let us be clear, death penalty is an obsolete way of punishing criminals, a signature of undemocratic societies

    Heh, actually, considering that there is now debate as to whether or not life in prison constitutes a violation of human rights, this argument is completely undercut. Apparently in some circles, ie the progressive European countries you are so proud of, you can commit the worst crimes, mass murder etc and still not receive more then 30 years in prison. You certainly can't be executed.

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    Molenir

    What's wrong with a bit of wealth distribution in society?

    Several things. The first is obviously theft. Is stealing ok, so long as its done for what you consider a good cause? The 2nd problem is one of entitlement. Are people entitled to receive a minimum standard of living from the government, without their needing to do anything? Are they entitled to this simply by virtue of being born? And where is their responsibility? And finally, if you take from those who are productive, to give to those who are unproductive, whats that saying to those who work hard and achieve? How is their efforts rewarded?

    Posted in: Senate Republicans block hearing on free trade

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    Molenir

    The problem with privatization, at least here in the US, is that the private sector charges multiple times more than the public sector for any service.

    Well actually, thats frequently not true. In point of fact the private sector is almost always more efficient, and thus it costs them less to do the same work. Meaning, they can frequently charge less as well. The primary difference is where the money comes from. Public sector comes from the taxpayers, while private sector means only those who use the service end up paying for it.

    In Arizona, where I'm from, theres a huge deal about privatizing the parks. The fact of the matter is, the government can't afford to run them, whereas if they let a service company run them, and charge user fees, it would become a source of income for them rather then just a drain on the revenue. However people see, parks, privatization, and think bad thoughts. Which really is just sad.

    Posted in: Hundreds of thousands strike in UK over pension cuts

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    Molenir

    The two measures should be considered seperatly. I believe the free trade measure should pass as increaced freedom is the only way to increase prosperity.

    Of course, hence why the Republicans blocked it. Basically they told Obama and 'Dirty' Harry, bring it up when you're ready to be serious. Until then, don't bother.

    This is a beginning of Protectionism and an end of Walmart.

    lol. Sorry, not going to hurt Wal-Mart.

    Posted in: Senate Republicans block hearing on free trade

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    Molenir

    You say that like it's a bad thing. A bit of socialism never hurt anybody, except the selfish rich.

    Tell that to the Greeks.

    Posted in: Senate Republicans block hearing on free trade

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    Molenir

    So stupid. Why fine the team? Did they know or have anything to do with this banner? Did they completely fail to do anything about it when it came to light? Why the fine? If someone completely unrelated to me does something stupid, I'm not going to pay for it. They shouldn't penalize the team for something that is completely not their fault.

    Posted in: J-League team Shimizu S-Pulse fined over anti-nuclear banner

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    Molenir

    The Obama-bashers above have had a go at golf but have put forward no constructive arguments whatsoever. Perhaps they should run for Congress on the Republican ticket: they are oh-so-typical.

    lol, what is the Dems plan exactly? Whats Obama's? So funny. The Dems are the ones that got us into this mess, and now rather then stick around to clean it up, they tell Republicans, go be leaders. The President is supposed to lead, thats something that comes with the job description. Its why he has so much power, and why when it comes down to it, its almost impossible to get anything through congress without his approval. Without a President willing to lead, then nothing is going to get done. Republicans can't pass the bills by themselves, and they can't make them law without the Presidents signature. Both sides need to sit down and compromise. The Republicans have made it perfectly clear where the line is, they will not agree to raise taxes. Dems haven't put forward a single plan other then, raise taxes. Since that is not going to happen, nothing will get done. Obama should let everyone know when he is ready to get serious. Until then, the congress might as well just go on holiday.

    the House majority leader who has decades of experience in Washington (but still can't get an acceptable budget together).

    Thats the difference between Republicans and Dems. Republicans actually passed a budget. Dems under Pelosi couldn't be bothered.

    Posted in: Confrontational Obama rebukes GOP on debt talks

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    Molenir

    Points for chutzpah.

    The most amusing part was where he was lecturing people on being a leader. Talk about hypocritical.

    Wow. A guy named briebart posting lies. Who would have thought.

    Sorry, but thats no lie. Admittedly its because Bush felt he shouldn't be playing golf while the US was at war. Now that he's no longer the President, he's been spending lots of time golfing. Still, it looks bad for the President. Just one more example of how he is not a leader.

    Yes, those upper income earners have really suffered over the last decade.

    Sure, and they pay the vast majority of the taxes as well. Loons are always bemoaning how the rich aren't paying their 'fair share'. That if only they would pay their 'fair' share we could get out of this crisis. They keep saying this garbage, but you'll note they never say how much is a 'fair' share for those earning the money. Another thing they always fail to mention, is that even if you confiscated 100% of the high income earners wages, it still wouldn't be enough to cover the deficit rung up by Obama. Thats the lie behind the class warfare garbage. Its also what the loons really don't want people to realize.

    Repeated and repeated tired old stuff. Really think "W" applied himself to the job than Obama?

    Umm, yes actually. However lets go ahead and give the idea a fair reading.

    It depends on how you mean it the question. If you mean, was he more of a leader, then the answer is obvious Obama has never been a leader. If you meant spent more time doing the business of state, then again, W wins handily. Obama spends most of his time running for President, as opposed to being President. No, about the only thing Obama has going for him would be on the subject of vacations. Bush chose to do much of the work of his Presidency from his home in Crawford Texas, and rarely took vacations, but you could say, that being in Crawford was a vacation. Obama stays in the White House, but he and his family take frequent vacations.

    Posted in: Confrontational Obama rebukes GOP on debt talks

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