Muchakucha said...

Muchakucha at 01:40 PM JST - 15th April

LostinNagoya: :-) Even if a cult advocated free love, free beer, non-stop fun, self-enlightenment, kindness, respect and charity to fellow (male) cult members, but which stated I should beat my wife and kill people who leave the cult, I would class it as an evil cult and give it a…

Posted in Can Islam and the Western world coexist peacefully? at 01:40 PM JST - 15th April
Muchakucha at 01:05 PM JST - 15th April

Lostinnagaya:

What about the IRA?

You still don't get it. Please explain how Jesus' teachings inspire the IRA. You can't. Whereas Mohammed's teachings directly inspire Islamic terrorists.

negative points in the Islamic doctrine and projecting them

I'm not projecting them, Islamic terrorists are. If it hadn't been for 9/11 and…

Posted in Can Islam and the Western world coexist peacefully? at 01:05 PM JST - 15th April
Muchakucha at 12:47 PM JST - 15th April

LostinNagoya:

What is it?

I'm a secularist agnostic.

this fresh episode of that German bishop about the Holocaust

The bishop is not quoting Christian doctrine, he is explaining his own beliefs, ludicrous as they may be. The same is not true of Islamic 'extremists' like Bin Laden, the Taleban, or…

Posted in Can Islam and the Western world coexist peacefully? at 12:47 PM JST - 15th April
Muchakucha at 12:10 PM JST - 15th April

Lostinnagoya:

These are not 'ancient laws', they are part of modern Islam, as practised whereever there is Islamic jurisprudence. Islamic clerics and scholars tell us these laws cannot be modernised. And tell me, where is this modernisation happening? In Saudi? In Iran?

You seem to deliberately avoiding the point. I…

Posted in Can Islam and the Western world coexist peacefully? at 12:10 PM JST - 15th April
Muchakucha at 11:11 AM JST - 15th April

LostinNagoya:

You think wife-beating and the slaying of infidels and apostates is beautiful?

Certainly, the Koran preaches kindness and charity, but only to other Muslims! Non-Muslims must be converted, subjugated or defeated in battle.

And your history lesson is laughable. Islam is a martial ideology created by a warlord. It's…

Posted in Can Islam and the Western world coexist peacefully? at 11:11 AM JST - 15th April
Muchakucha at 10:52 AM JST - 15th April

Some even allow homosexuality, etc.

Some even allow homosexuality?

Do they really?

Damning praise, smithinjapan. And of little comfort to homosexuals in Saudi, Iran, Somalia, Yemen, the Swat Valley etc. But Islamic aplogists who value their PC credentials above all else seldom care a jot for the victims of Islam.

Posted in Can Islam and the Western world coexist peacefully? at 10:52 AM JST - 15th April
Muchakucha at 08:03 PM JST - 14th April

the bible instructs a good christian to stone a man to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath

No, it doesn't. Please understand the difference between the Old and New Testaments. Even an athiest like me knows that Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, who poured scorn that…

Posted in Can Islam and the Western world coexist peacefully? at 08:03 PM JST - 14th April
Muchakucha at 04:26 PM JST - 14th April

mareo2: you're quite correct in that Christians have murdered for religious reasons. But I say again, this is inspite of Jesus' teachings. Muslim extremists commit violence because of Mohammed's teachings. It's difficult to apply the Koran to the modern world because it contains so many ideas which are at odds…

Posted in Can Islam and the Western world coexist peacefully? at 04:26 PM JST - 14th April
Muchakucha at 01:55 PM JST - 14th April

mareo2:

Certainly. Just because one is born a Muslim it doesn't necessarily mean one actually agrees with Islamic doctrine 100%. Islamic doctrine calls for death for people who turn away from Islam, but I seriously doubt if the majority of Muslims who've been brought up in western countries sincerely believe…

Posted in Can Islam and the Western world coexist peacefully? at 01:55 PM JST - 14th April
Muchakucha at 12:30 PM JST - 14th April

TJrandom

There have been violent Christians inspite of the teachings of Jesus whereas Islamic doctrine and its prophet itself advocates violence. Why is that so difficult to understand?

It's because the call to violence is there in the Koran, in black and white, and cannot be changed (at least, that's…

Posted in Can Islam and the Western world coexist peacefully? at 12:30 PM JST - 14th April