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Nippon5
likeitis.
You are right that this situation isnt easy to resolve. But we can all hope humans as a whole will start to understand war/terrorism isnt an answer to any problem. But knowing human nature we will never see such things as world peace and a world with out war/terrorism no matter if the US supports any country or not.
Its one of the few things that make me sad. As a former military person who spent time in war I have seen the results of war. I am saddened that war isnt going to ever stop in this world. I am sad that the ones who pay the price for war isnt the ones who start the war.
Posted in: Hamas declares victory in rallies across Gaza
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Nippon5
If Hamas wanted peace they would work towards it and not have leaders making genocide statements. The same goes for Israel, if they want peace they need to start by not making threats all the time. But this time it is Hamas who is poking the bear while the bear is walking away. If the bear gets tired of it then it most likely will take a swipe at the pesky poker sooner or later. As far as what borders are right or not thats for the two countries to agree on, just like (insert your home country) has done over the years when it attacked or was attacked. Borders are created by military action in every nation, we can move borders and land owners based on military advancment and retreat in many many places based on history of the borders. Which borders are the correct one_? Only Israel and Palistine can decide that in a peaceful way, Hamas is just a little man poking the bear because it likes the bear to look agressive all the time. Hamas isnt a valid figure in the discussion because they are neither a country nor a people, they are a terrorist group.
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Nippon5
And people wonder why Israel thinks they have to do such acts of war in order to feel safe. When a leader of a terrorist group states they will not stop until a whole country is removed they strengthen Israel's determination to find a solution by military means.
I find it sad to hear/read Hamas is still the little man poking the polar bear with a stick. The future is very predictable with Hamas still attempting to shake the bee hive.
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Nippon5
Strange thing to say considering in every part of the world ocean front property is considered the highest in value.
You cant have a goverment proposed agreement with a terrorist group that isnt invited to the talks, but Israel wasnt going to remove their troops unless Hamas announced a cease fire of their own.So neither of you two have a 100% correct answer.
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Nippon5
Is it the original Barney still? Going to war is a very tough choice, going into the service knowing you can die in war is very difficult( I know first hand as I joined and fought in war). I dont think Bush will be remembered for much other then the War and the economical problems, no matter what else he may have done.
Im prepared for a very rocky ride with Obama. It very hard for a person to do well when everyone puts the bar way to high for the guy. Hopefully he does more good then harm. Ive watched most of my stock value go down 50 % since November of last year. After it attained a high value in 2007. I dont blame just Bush for my stocks decline, I blame everyone of the politicians in Washington, the CEOs of the companies, and the banks for loaning money they shouldnt have. 2 years ago when the stock was at its highest I praised those same people. Hind site is so 20/20 isnt it.
Posted in: Bush, in farewell address, says he acted in nation's best interest
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Nippon5
I said many people are angry about the fact people scream the right of the terrorist are being violated, but those same rights get violated all the time in the military to actual US citizens.
Now read this again from my post Smith is trying to use to make his point. Notice I do not say Im angry, nor do I say they shouldnt have a trial. Seems he has to recreate the information written to base his arguement on. Its just sad.
** but it puts a bad taste in alot of peoples mouths that a person suspected of terrorist activites will get the same rights as a citizen of the US does. It may not be right, but I think if you attack the country that grants those rights, you shouldnt expect to recieve them. With that said I do think the tribunal needs to happen fast, the evidence if able to be declassifeid shown and we need to move on from this. Maybe then people like you will lose one more needle that you use to stick into your anti American voodoo doll.**
Superlib dont hold your breath on an answer. Like I said before." Some complain about things because its easier then actually providing a solution"
Posted in: Closing Gitmo requires tough judgments on inmates
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Nippon5
I cant believe people actually believe that information that Bush used was for his eyes only. I guess you can find someone to buy swampland everyday. And duped was what I meant I'm glad you where able to figure it out hope you didnt strain your brain too hard. They didnt get tricked to go down the path of the war. To be duped would mean they didnt have the knowledge Bush did and that didn't happen. Wanna buy a senate seat? How about I get ya a good goverment contract? Maybe some are not corrupt but then again I still haven't seen any flying pigs. No politician is clean.
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Nippon5
Just wish some members of congress had the guts to call him before an inquiry and work to gain an indictment
Then congress would have to plead the 5th because they dont want to self incriminate themselves. They where not duked into anything, they went with the knowledge down the path they choose.
Im all for them all going to jail, including Bush and the congress that wasted my tax money year after year. (then who would be president when Biden , McCain, Obama, Clinton, Bush, and all the rest are in Jail?_)
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Nippon5
I could careless if he swears to Alah, God, Marty Martian, or Sezwho2. Its just words and we all know words really dont hold power over ones actions. He will be president for the good or bad of it, no matter what his religious belief is. Some lawyers just sue to get the media attention. Period.
Posted in: Atheists sue to stop use of 'so help me God' in inaugural oath
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Nippon5
For those who dont know anything outside of TV and the Movies, the US hasn't had anyone swear on a bible for court in the last 20 years or so. And back then the person had the choice to use the bible or any other religious book they wanted, and if they didnt have a religion they could just affirm their telling the truth.
I have heard Obama is going to use Lincoln's bible for the swearing in. He has made the choose of using a bible and we should honor that no matter if we believe in religion or not. Also in the article it shows that the 35 words for the swearing in do not include the words "so help me god" and that its up to the president elect to add those words.
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Nippon5
Simple math.
If you burn 2800 cal. in a day and eat 3500 cal. in a day you will gain weight
If you eat the same 3500 cal. a day and burn 3700 cal. a day you will lose weight.
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Nippon5
sushisaki. out of the original 900 plus people only 255 remain. Out of the rem,aining 255 people 60 of them have been cleared but because other countries dont want them they have no where to go. GOOGLE it. Dont just take your blog inspired memory for the truth.
Posted in: Closing Gitmo requires tough judgments on inmates
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Nippon5
Smith again your just talking to talk. My point was simple. Why would America provide better rights to a terrorist then you do a member of thier own military. t reports the people in GITMO had been taking during combat, or with the use of counter intelligence. They didnt just pick people off the street like you like to express. So once again because of your hatrid for the war you bypass the logic and babble about things you dont understand.
ANother funny note is when Smith attempts to analize logic by changing the content of the post. Dude get over it dont always try to show your back side. No where in my sentence you pasted did I say anything about terrorist being American. What I said was so simple a monkey could understand it. Maybe your just seeing things in an extremist way and refuse to read words for what they are.
Once again I will state the facts. None of you know what evidence or lack of the govement has on the subjects in question. Most of you have no clue what classified information is and how it is handled. Most of you are speaking from emothion and not logic. Most of you are trying very hard to be against anything Bush that you miss the point. All of you live in countries that wont take the detainies in. None of you know if the people in GITMO are innocent. Most of you ignore the fact that both Super, and I are stating they need to try these people in a tribunal and when able to present the evidence to the public in a timely manner. But at the same time we understand the issue of doing such and that it will take time (gosh just like what Obama said). No matter how many times SS spin alot tries to make it sound like we changed our idea the truth is SS spin is just starting to understand the situation better.
According to Smith. Terrorist in GITMO should have better legal rights then a mamber of the US military. Most people in GITMO are innocent people who happen to be giving flowers to children when the evil Americans took them for no reason what-so-ever.The Americans are using torture on every person in GITMO, trying to get them to admit to crimes. Smith things that letting over 500 of the detainies go is not processing the detanies for trial or release.
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Nippon5
Sushi
I the Navy you can get tried by the captain of the ship. You do not get a lawyer, you do not get to speak, you dont get to see any evidence against you. Why should a terrorist get more rights then a sailor? Think about who grants the right to a lawyer, who grants the rights to see evidence, who grants the right to a speedy trial? Its the USA that does those things, thats what sets them apart from other countries, but it puts a bad taste in allot of peoples mouths that a person suspected of terrorist activites will get the same rights as a citizen of the US does. It may not be right, but I think if you attack the country that grants those rights, you shouldnt expect to recieve them. With that said I do think the tribunal needs to happen fast, the evidence if able to be declassifeid shown and we need to move on from this. Maybe then people like you will lose one more needle that you use to stick into your anti American voodoo doll.
Now Im sleeping as I type.
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Nippon5
I see a trend too. The ever changing request for information. As one form is found and given the request changes to a different form, rinse and repeat again and again.
No one is saying they dont deserve the trial in front of a tribunal. No one is saying the evidence is available to the general public. No one involved in the handling of the situtation is saying the people are innocent and should be let go.
Sushi is saying the US goverment has no evidence on any person in GITMO. That all people in GITMO are innocent and should be released. Sushi is saying that a tribunal isnt good enough for the detainies and they should have the luxury of a American civil trial. Sushi is saying Obama is wrong to want the trial to be done by the military. Sushi is saying that Obama is an extremist and his belief of haveing the people stay in GITMO until a tribunal can handle them is the most extreme view. Sushi is well just flapping it seems.
Night Sushi I need sleep.
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Nippon5
Again you dont understand the classification system. Many people with the need to know can read the information, but since you are a no one you cant. The system is used in all US goverment paper work. It is to protect the data form misuse by others. It can be used to cover up things, but Obama has the level to read it and he hasnt said once that they have no evidence to convict the people in GITMO.
You asked me for Evidence of detanies being tried, I gave you that. You asked for evidence of them being charged, I gave you that. You are now asking us to provide evidence that is in a classification system and sorry Im not able to do that. But afte being in the military with a TS clearence I can tell you that evidence on a terrorist attack or against a terrorist is going to be high on the classification list. And again you dont have the clearence to read it.
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Nippon5
Sushi you should quit your job and become a DJ, cause damn you sure can spin.
Superlib said that if the evidence was linked to an undercover operative in the field and you expose that undercover person, you risk getting him captured or killed. He didnt say to cover up any torture. I can gurantee some methods of torture have been used. I think sticky Dicky said it himself that they used certian types of torture to extract information. So your point of wanting to cover up any torture is mostly invalid.
5 more days then you will have to change your tune or defy your main man. Cause he isnt going to do anything about them that isnt already on the table.
And as far as USAFdude said. Seems we agree that each one should be put on trial.But they need to be held until such trial can be granted. The trial has to be a tribunal style. If found innocent then they go back to their countries, if found guilty then they stay in GITMO. ITs simple, but too many people dont like the idea of them being in a tribunal.
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Nippon5
Nippon5, your case gets weaker with each post. LMAO
I dont think so. I think its your feeble attempts that are getting lamer and lamer.
"That's all nice and scary sounding, but you still haven't provided any evidence that the men currently being held in Gitmo are guilty."
Ok I guess your keyboard must not have the "g" key since you cant google anything. I showed you multiple cases, you just choose to ignore them.
"Therefore, holding people indefinitely without access to lawyers or the evidence against them is now suddenly alright? Since when?"
According to the laws that have been passed, and the interpetation of those laws, yes they can hold them until a military tribunal can hear the case. They are not being held as POW'S but as unlawful combantants. Since your fingers only can type on JT I have included the link to wiki (your favorite site) so you can read on the law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MilitaryCommissionsAct
"Was it before or after you started being brainwashed by bush government propaganda about the "war on Terror"? "
Well other then the fact I wasnt for the war in the form it took, nor did I vote for Bush, I would have to say your barking up the wrong tree again.
What evidence? For most Gitmo inmates, they have not been charged with a single crime.
WHAT EVIDENCE?
Evidence isnt public domain and in this case its classified. I dont have it in front of me and neither do you, that doesnt mean it doesnt exist. You really need to do more research on the subject your just not on target at all when it comes to the whole GITMO detention and unlawful combatants.
"topping the trials? (I won't even ask for your evidence to back this assertion up...) You mean trying to stop the unjust U.S military tribunals that the U.S. Justice department has been having a lots of problems with? That one?"
Military tribunals are unjust? Do you know from experience or are you just flapping lip again? Considering most war crimes in history and crimes during wars have been tried by them I guess we have to assume they are somewhat justified in their actions.
"bout the only fact related to your argument Nippon5 is that you still don't have any evidence."
The only fact is you dont like my evidence and therefore you ignore it. That doesnt make it go away and doesnt make it not real. It just makes your arguement pathetic. Do some research.
"Nippon5, I have to say that if views like yours are held by the majority of Americans, it seems that extremist views have well and truly entered the American mainstream, apologies if you are not American."
6 months ago you praised Obama as the only saviour of the world. I guess since Obama and I have the same view on GITMO you either have to eat humble pie, or denounce your saviour. The only way Im extreme is compared to you, to most people Im in the center and very neutral. But since your so far out everyone in the middle looks to be so far away.
Obama said it is “military courts, and not federal judges, who should make decisions on these detainees.”
Posted in: Closing Gitmo requires tough judgments on inmates
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Nippon5
All of the detainies are charged with War crimes. All of them.
Posted in: Closing Gitmo requires tough judgments on inmates
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Nippon5
A confession of the person isnt good enough for Sushi? Them holding a gun and shooting at someone isnt enough proof? Being caught with the weapons, or explosives isnt good enough. When you have a true arguement for your statement then post it, until then your flailing around like a fish on shore.
You have no idea how classified information works and therefore I will excuse your ignorance on the subject. Like all people they will have a trial and found innocent or guilty based off of the evidence, but since all the political people and the lobbist groups like HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH keep stopping the tribunals and court cases they may have a long wait for a trial. But considering the people they killed or helped kill didnt have a trial at all the terrorist should feel lucky.
And yes people like you scare the hell out of me. Anyone who thinks everything is so black and white, and that goverment is always scheming scares the hell out of me. Im glad I scare you, maybe you should be scared of those people you are afraid to take into your own home or country, instead of defending them as if they are sweet innocent puppies.
That glass house you live in should hold 100 of them detainies_? When are they moving in?
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