Wednesday February 15, 2012

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    Nippon5

    On Thursday, Dana M. Perino, the White House press secretary, said President Bush had urged the Iraqis “not to overreact, because he was not bothered by the incident, although it’s not appropriate for people to throw shoes at a press conference, at any leader.”

    Bush made his statement and it was as good as one can get.

    Also every report I can find says the Lawyer and the Judge both say he has no major injuries and is in fine health.

    I guess the best thing to do is not read those extremist rags and look for bad news on the subject, and wait for the court case when everyone will get lots of pictures of the man injured or not.

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    Nippon5

    Taka313.

    You are right that 7 days after 9-11 the Antrax attacks started. They found a American man had sent the Letters out (in 2008 they found him and he killed him self). But at the time the US was still in the middle of 9-11 and considered it part of the same attack. SO you are correct, but considering the closeness of the 9-11 and the 9-18 attacks most consider them the same wave of attacks.

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    Nippon5

    Bush said he has made the US safer after the 9-11 attacks and be it as it is we have not had any attacks , therefore at this time in place we have been more secure. Will it last ? who knows.

    Just so its clear all airlines had been warned in 1998 when the terrorist threat about airplanes was introduced. None of the intel your listing was introduced in Bush's term it was all introduced in Clintons.

    Some people should take the time to read the report congress did. the 911 commission breaks it down very well, and a lot of the changes we have in security came from that document. As sezwho2 stated at the time of the commissions report they did not feel the US was safer, but after that time things changed to increase overall security.

    Even Cher (if she could turn back time) couldnt of changed the way the whole deal went down. The intel of when, where, and what wasnt there to see. We become much clearer in our vision after the fact.

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    Nippon5

    Sorry smith here is the copy of my request.. I asked for very specific info..

    See below..

    **Show me the Intelligence that Bush ignored that was created and exposed in the months after he took over office, that explains the attack method and time frame, and wasnt already taken off the table as a real threat by Bill Clinton. **

    This was planned (all the intel shows) under Clintons watch. Even Adaydreams link shows it was all intelligence known before 2000. Bush didnt respond to WHAT intel? What valueable intelligence did he ignore? Please show us this intelligence that would lead anyone to believe they would do the attack on 9-11 2001 with airplanes?

    Once again I wait for this intel that states what I asked. Not general information on types of attacks that happened before. On top of this the intel he had all was gone through by Clintons office and deemed not viable..

    Clinton could be charged with the same thing as Bush. He could of made things safer, so could all the other presidents who did nothing about outside threats. Only reason any one blaims Bush is out of hatrid of the man and not sound or realistic logic.

    Mod I promise last post on this topic for me, I dont really expect an answer since there isnt one.

    Posted in: Bush says there can be 'no debate' about his keeping U.S. safe

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    Nippon5

    Im a bit lost on your post Smith. How does events of the world change into tangible intelligence that Bush ignored? All the things in your post refer to times way before Bush and discarded by Clinton as not important in the protection of the US. 20/20 is perfect vision, and all the people from 1970 until 9-11 2001 read the same things your posting. Why would it be a red light for Bush to see the 9-11 attacks?

    My question was what intelligence did Bush ignore that was about 4 airplanes being flown into buildings in the US as a plot by AQ on 9-11 2001. What you are showing me is examples of attacks by plane. In history people have attacked with cars, buses, planes, boats, people, dogs, cats, rodents, etc etc etc. But no president has locked down everything based off of historical events.

    When JFK was killed they said they never expected a president to be shot even though Lincoln meet the same fate.

    An estimated 100000 terrorist threats about AQ had been filed before Bush took office. None of the threats where deemed real from Bill's staff, but Bush's staff had beefed up the hunt for cells and such before 911 according to the 911-commission.

    I think people are creating the "ignored intelligence" to support a hatrid of the war. He didnt ignore anything that wasnt already ignored by Clinton.

    Did Bush make the US safer? Most likely yes. He tightened security in some of the more accesible areas, he brought the fight to the ME and AQ is focused on that area (right or wrong it still did serve to bring the AQ terrorist to that area), and to this date we have not had a major attack (other then the Antrax which isnt labeled an AQ attack) by AQ on US soil since 9-11. Does it mean the US is safeer after we leave the Middle east and AQ can refocus on us at home? Most likely not.

    So to sum it up. We are safer at this moment then we were on 9-11 2001, but its a false safty that will disappear as soon as we leave the area of the ME.

    Posted in: Bush says there can be 'no debate' about his keeping U.S. safe

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    Nippon5

    Well Madverts..

    Since you link to the same brief that adaydream did in your second post we will just say you didnt actually read that brief. And no it isnt any kind of actual warning about planes into buildings etc etc etc, and the intelligence was from before 2000. That intelligence was deemed not important by Bill then.

    Your other link is to Clark who was unable to prove what he said and was discredited by all the other people in the meeting not to mention his book deal that he made.

    What I asked for was "Please show us this intelligence that would lead anyone to believe they would do the attack on 9-11 2001 with airplanes?"

    But what I got was the same old August 6th debrief that didnt say anything about the 9-11 attack at all, and a report of Clark "who released a book" then stated Bush knew more. Really is hard for someone to actually give the information requested?_ Or is it that information isnt real and therefore you can not produce such things?

    I wait for my requested information.

    Moderator: All readers back on topic please.

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    Nippon5

    Ahh but Smith I'm not one. Im not a Bush fan nor am I a fan of those who find it a daily ritual to Bash only Bush.Like nothing was caused by anyother person in Washington past or present. I think those who Bash Bush for the sake of bashing him have tunnel style vision and dont see anything close to a whole picture.

    Show me the Intelligence that Bush ignored that was created and exposed in the months after he took over office, that explains the attack method and time frame, and wasnt already taken off the table as a real threat by Bill Clinton.

    This was planned (all the intel shows) under Clintons watch. Even Adaydreams link shows it was all intelligence known before 2000. Bush didnt respond to WHAT intel? What valueable intelligence did he ignore? Please show us this intelligence that would lead anyone to believe they would do the attack on 9-11 2001 with airplanes?

    Also from my understanding of the flow of things we didnt go into Iraq until march 19th 2003. Considering he had the congress approval to invade Iraq in October of 2002 and we didnt invade until March 19th 2003 He didnt seem to rush, but he did seem to not to listen to the UN on the matter.

    Im not a supporter of how we went into Iraq, I would of perferred other countries to (for once) be the might of the UN and invade Iraq to enforce the sanctions. Does this mean I think Bush had the goal to invade Iraq from the beginning? NO.
    Does it mean I think he rushed into Iraq becasue he had intelligence failures on the 911 attacks? NO (considering the intelligence wasnt anything that indicated the attack of 9-11 and was from years ago and dismissed by the former presidents staff and Bill himself)

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    Nippon5

    Adaydream.. Another lie(or just plain ignorance).... Since Im a regristered Independent and the last "two party" guy I voted for was Bill (pants around his knees) Clinton..And I still to this day kick myslef for voting for a man who reduced my pay while I protected his butt.

    That shows me what? That the FBI in 1998 had a report that AQ thought about Hijacking an airplane to use as a hostage situation to get a political person released? What does that have to do with using a plane for a bomb into the twin towers? Or do I have to put on my X-file issued glasses and see what isnt there?

    Even on my best day of being an anti Bush guy I couldnt link that to the hijacking of 4 airplanes (or attempts) to use as self propelled bombs. And considering most of the data in that brief is from Clintons time I have a harder time blaming Bush for it, when it would seem Clinton should of been on top of it. Also with the information on that site you show me that Bush had no reason to think a little over a month later they would do 9-11. But I guess when you want to see something you see it, but when your not aching for something thats not there you just see the truth.

    And Adaydream.. I accept your apology :)

    Posted in: Bush says there can be 'no debate' about his keeping U.S. safe

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    Nippon5

    adaydream at 10:55 AM JST - 18th December

    george bush's inaction allowed the 9/11 attacks.

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=August6%2C2001%2CPresident'sDailyBriefingMemo

    No, there's no debate. If he'd have done hios job to begin with we wouldn't have been attacked.

    But the republicans believe hook, line and sinker. < :-)

    Lying a habit or a hobby for ya ??? Thats a link in your post. I dont have a truth because I havent access to the information that would give an acurate answer, and hard to believe but you dont either. The truth will not be the one you read in a blog or a wiki page thats for sure.

    Posted in: Bush says there can be 'no debate' about his keeping U.S. safe

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    Nippon5

    adaydream ..

    First your wiki style link is a blank link. Nothing on it.

    What information should we have listened to_? THe multi pages of reports during the Clinton administration that stated such an event will happen? The information during the late 90's that gave us the exact location for OBL? The information that was passed when Bush took office that OBL is not a threat and not a high priority? Or some information the the CIA and FBI recieved (amonst the millions of pieces of information they recieve daily) about a possible attack on the US? Maybe we should of went after OBL when they did the 93 bombing of the same buildings?

    Before 911 the standard routine for a hijacking was to comply with the hijackers and no one got hurt. Been doing it that way since the 70's. That is why the plan they used worked, not because the goverment didnt stop them, because people didnt think what happened would. Now if you try to take a plane over with a box cutter, you will get mauled by the people on the plane.

    Every one has a story to tell and just like when you question ten people about a crime you get ten different stories. You have your idea and your tale to tell, Skip has his tale to tell. Neither of you are telling the whole truth, and both of you are speaking from your political view. The truth we may never know, but I know it isnt either political parties version.

    Posted in: Bush says there can be 'no debate' about his keeping U.S. safe

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    Nippon5

    Smith doing rude things to a world leader because you dont like the policies is wrong no matter who they are. With you its always "your a Bush lover" when someone points out Bush didnt do it by himself and he is at the core no different then any other political leader. I dont like Bush and never voted for him, but I'm not living to hate him as you are. I also am an adult and find the reporters behavior vile and childish. Even if the shoes had been thrown at the idiot who is in charge of Canada or the Idiot in charge of Japan. My point is simple, those who raise this man to the level of hero are just as stupid as he is for throwing the shoes. Hitler was a hero to many many people and still is today, does that make what he did right?

    You blame everything on Bush even though the facts show many people are responsible. You say because he is the leader of the free world he is to take all the blame. In less 24 days everything that happens becomes Obamas issues. I wait to see if you say the same for him (when we go hard into Afghanistan and kill many many people, innocent and not)as you have for Bush.

    I hold all those in goverment who made the decisions accountable for the situations we have today. I will do the same in the future. You on the other hand seem to be a broken record and never leave the groove that says BUSH DID IT. Hate to break it to you, but we are in for a long 4 years, and I think they will be far worse then now based on the promises made by Obama and the reality of the world. He is a hero to the same group that already showed how not to act, you know the groups who are killing innocents, looting stores. I have seen as many Iraqis call him a hero as I have I have seen Iraqis call him a fool who just made them look like idiots.

    Zaidi, accused by the Iraqi government of a "barbaric and ignominious act" will be tried on charges of insulting the Iraqi state, said the Iraqi prime minister's media advisor, Yasin Majeed.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article5354278.ece

    http://baghdadbureau.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/15/brother-is-proud-of-shoe-tossing-iraqi-journalist/

    Posted in: Across Mideast, Arabs hail shoe-hurling journalist

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    Nippon5

    As far as a working education system.. umm yea ok what president has provided a good model so far?

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    Nippon5

    So yesterday I pissed on a picture of Bush, then ripped up a picture of Stephen Harper, spit on a picture of Aso, and finished off my day by slapping my shoes on a picture of the Queen of England..

    Im a hero now according to some. I say that because people say Bush is EVIL and I pissed on his photo, Mr Harper is equal to Bush and I ripped up his picture, Aso is said to be as bad as Bush and I spit on his picture, and of Course England has invaded and killed every country in the world at least once, forced its rule on so many cultures we cant even count them and slapped my shoes on that evil countries Queen.

    Did I just give the best media report in the world now?

    Come on some of you sound like kids on a play ground, grow up. Consider for a fact that what the guy did was just simply stupid.If He wanted to stand up and say Bush is an ass he would of gained much more credibility. What he did was fuel the anti Arab feeling many on the world have. Too bad he has a cheerleading team who dont understand its a negative (what he did) to his religion, his race, and his people.

    Posted in: Across Mideast, Arabs hail shoe-hurling journalist

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    Nippon5

    Well he was going to have the Governor of Ill. be the guy but something else came up first (like jail time). LMAO

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    Nippon5

    Sangetsu.

    Strange Ive never waited more then 20 minutes at a hospital in the States, and when I was rushed to the hospital I didnt have to wait at all. Now of course Ive had times here in Japan I have been in quick, but I also have had to wait hours to see a doctor.

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    Nippon5

    Shiuu has it right. Charge them a very high fee. In the US its about 1500 dollars a ride.

    Posted in: What is the best way to discourage people from calling ambulances and using hospital outpatient services when they are not in need of urgent treatment?

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    Nippon5

    I think its a good move, and I also think the other automakers need to pull out of all other sponsored racing. They are all getting goverment money, and spending more then that on racing. I hate to see them all pull out(I love all types of racing), but it is the financial right thing to do.

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    Nippon5

    Taka its change..

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    Nippon5

    When the protestors came out to stop the war here in the states they numbered in the 100k+ range. When people came out to show support of their new shoe hero it was under 10k. Seems either Iraqis dont like public displays or the media is over hyping again.

    Serving in the military you have to cringe when you hear of a person doing that to your leader, even if you dont like it, because they see you on the front line not him.

    Funny part is an Arb reporter was the guy who took him down after he threw the shoe. Dumb move on the shoe throwers part, but at least it isnt going to get him and his family killed for doing it.

    Like Bush or not you have to say he sure dodged that shoe well. Hope the next president can dodge the things thrown at him by his fans. Since we now think its ok to throw things at world leaders.

    Posted in: Across Mideast, Arabs hail shoe-hurling journalist

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    Nippon5

    Dont believe me, but same goes for your post, I have a hard time believing anything you post since most if not all is in direct contradiction of the facts available on any news site in the world.

    Here are some links for you since you dont have the ability to surf your self.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/sep/11/iraq1

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1141359.cms

    http://chinadaily.com.cn/world/2006-04/24/content_575732.htm

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/religion.htm

    And yes the Christian (only around 800k of them) didnt get the majority of the violence from Saddam, but they did get some of it, and more after the UN defence of Kuwait.

    Bottom line is under Saddam many Iraq people died from him for Goverment/religious reasons. No matter how you try to change the facts.

    Posted in: Bush dodges shoe protest during visit to Iraq

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