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SSCSforever
@arrestpaul
Yes, but you fail to mention that the Bob Barker is not supporting a whaling fleet while the SM2 is. Australian law states that "supporting the operations of a vessel or vessels designed, equipped or used for killing, taking, treating or carrying cetaceans," which is exactly what the SM2 is doing. I doesn't matter what the previous career of a ship is, it matters what the current career is.
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@arrestpaul
So...it doesn't have to be specific. Just because it doesn't say the specific situation doesn't mean that they aren't breaking the law. That's completely ridiculous. The SM2 clearly is supporting the whaling fleet and that is exactly what the law states. It says "supporting the operations of a vessel or vessels designed, equipped or used for killing, taking, treating or carrying cetaceans." The SM2, without a shadow of a doubt, is a supporting vessel to the whaling fleet. Your argument (if you can call it that) hold ZERO weight.
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SSCSforever
I never said that it wasn't putting lives and property at risk. It very much is but in order to save and protect marine life, that's a risk they are willing to take.
They are not protesting, they are intervening. Do you not remember when the SM2 rammed and sunk the Ady Gil. If anybody had been sleeping in the forward quarters, they would have been killed. Sea Shepherd has rammed but they have never even almost sunk a Japanese whaling ship. The boats that they have scuttled have never had anybody on them. Nobody has never been injured or killed because of Sea Shepherd.
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SSCSforever
"@arrestpaul
Hahaha. I literally just laughed out loud. This comment just shows that you had to resort to pure stupidity to try and support your weak and failing argument. The Bob Barker stopped whaling in 1962 (That would be 50 years after the fact as well as being purchased by different companies. The SM2 is still owned by Kyodo Senpaku Kaisha, LTD. and is still part of the Japanese whaling fleet.) when it was refurbished to become a Norwegian Coast Guard vessel. It has also be used for a fuel resupply vessel as well as conducted paid Arctic wildlife tours.
The Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999 prohibits any ship in the Japanese whaling fleet (this includes the SM2) to come into the Australian EEZ. It isn't my interpretation of the law, it IS the law"
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SSCSforever
@KariHaruka
If the Southern Oceans are so dangerous, why would they be risking their lives to go down there?
So...what's your point. If SSCS ships were the only ones around, they would help. They have helped them in medical emergencies before.
They would have to hire somebody to tow them back to port.
SSCS would help them by rescuing them, no doubt about it. They have in the past. Or one of the other illegal whaling vessel would help them by rescuing them, I'm sure (unless, of course, they were too occupied with murdering more whales illegally). They are well aware of the risks of having a disabled ship in the Southern Ocean.
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SSCSforever
@arrestpaul
I meant ICR. The Institute of Cetacean Research.
I think i would know how Canadians feel about Paul Watson and SSCS seeing as I am from and live in Canada. From talking to my fellow Canadians, they too feel as though the whalers are very much in the wrong. You are saying the the small number of fishermen and sealers in Atlantic Canada have the same opinion as the rest of Canada. There are not many fisherman or sealers in Atlantic Canada compared to the rest of Canada. We have a total population of 33 million and the population of Atlantic Canada is about 2 million. A very small percentage of this is fisherman and sealers seeing as the majority of Atlantic Canada's population lives in large cities (a total of 1.5 million). The total amount of fishermen and sealers in Atlantic Canada is about 18,000 (from Fisheries and Ocean Canada). So you are really basing the opinion of less than 18,000 people on 33 million people.
And what is Greenpeace doing to save the whales? NOTHING!
And their motives for the warrant are purely political.
And other nations have asked Sea Shepherd for help in protecting their waters (ie. Ecuador for the Galapagos Islands, Tahiti, etc.).
You have it backwards. The list of countries, organizations, and individuals who support SSCS and oppose illegal whaling is growing rapidly.
You misunderstood what I said. I am incredibly ashamed TO BE a Canadian when it comes to the seal hunt in Atlantic Canada. I never said that I was incredibly ashamed OF Canadians.My fellow Canadians are very supportive of Paul Watson and SSCS, except of course the illegal sealers for obvious reasons.
Sea Shepherd is smart enough not to ram a disabled vessel, unlike the whalers. If Antarctica is so dangerous, why are the whalers down there?
And you keep trying to over exaggerate SSCS's effective tactics and downplay the illegality of the whalers.
They've had plenty of opportunities to injure or kill people. They would have sunk 2 more Icelandic whaling boats but they had people on them so they didn't because they don't want to injure or kill anyone.
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SSCSforever
@OssanAmerica
The SM2 still had "Research" on the side of it for the last 2 years even though it isn's actively whaling. It was only changed for this season and it is still part of the whaling fleet. According to Australian law, an ship in the Japanese whaling fleet is not allowed in Australian waters and they broke this law by going into the Australian EEZ, plain and simple.
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@KariHaruka
No, it can't be fatal. The worst that would happen is that they can't unhook the rope and have to be towed back to port. Icebergs are more dangerous.
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SSCSforever
@arrestpaul
From my previous comment: "So many people hate Paul in Japan because the gov't and IRC has portrayed SSCS as terrorists. I don't think he would last long if he were to go there. Canadian fisherman (Paul is also Cdn.) tried to kill him when he opposed the seal hunt in eastern Canada (which I am incredibly ashamed of)."
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SSCSforever
@arrestpaul
Even though Japan has issued an arrest warrant, their motives were purely political. He isn't stupid. Why would he board a whaling boat when Japan has a warrant for him. It's funny how Japan didn't arrest or even question the SM2's captain in regards to the sinking of the Ady Gil, but now they have an arrest warrant for obstruction of business? This also shows that their whaling operation is a commercial operation and NOT "research" like they say. Japan arrested Captain Peter Bethune for confronting the captain of the Shonan Maru 2 and now they have an arrest warrant for Paul but they don't even question the SM2's captain. Hmm. A bit of a one way street, I think.
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SSCSforever
@Elvinsilvan
From my previous comment: "So many people hate Paul in Japan because the gov't and IRC has portrayed SSCS as terrorists. I don't think he would lat long if he were to go there. Canadian fisherman (Paul is also Cdn.) tried to kill him when he opposed the seal hunt in eastern Canada (which I am ashamed of).:
If Paul were a high-profile criminal, he would still be locked up.
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SSCSforever
@It"S ME
So many people hate Paul in Japan because the gov't and IRC has portrayed SSCS as terrorists. I don't think he would lat long if he were to go there. Canadian fisherman (Paul is also Cdn.) tried to kill him when he opposed the seal hunt in eastern Canada (which I am ashamed of).
If you don't remember any of my previous comments, just to sum my stance up, I am backing SSCS and their tactics 110%. I hope they finally ending whaling in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary for good this year.
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SSCSforever
@arrestpaul
His days of boarding vessels are over. He would be shot if he were to step within 100 ft of the whalers or whaling supporters.
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SSCSforever
@arrestpaul
The reason he doesn't do that is because people would kill him.
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SSCSforever
@arrestpaul
The Shonan Maru 2 shouldn't have even been in Aussie waters in the first place. If they had complied with Aussie law, they wouldn't have had to deal with this problem.
So you think that HSI just mad up the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999. It is an official act in Australia. No matter who filed the suit against the whalers, it was put through by an official Aussie judge and is now a law. The Shonan Maru 2 clearly breached this law.
It doesn't matter if they are whaling or not. Their job is to protect the rest of the whaling fleet and are, therefore, part of the fleet. This is no secret.
Haha. What if that person was protecting murderers and allowed them to continue to murder and torture people. What if the only way to stop the murderers was to stop and distract their security and have the a citizen catch the murderers because the police reuse to do anything about it. The murderers security would also be in another country where they have crossed to border illegally. Wouldn't you try and do everything in your power to stop torture and murder if it were happening to people?
The IRC is the ones feeding the propaganda to people, NOT Sea Shepherd.
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SSCSforever
@sfjp330
Like I said before, Paul requested that the 3 men be transferred to the Steve Irwin so that it would not cost the Aussie taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars. The Aussie gov't ignored their request. The 3 men are not from Sea Shepherd. They are from Forest Rescue Australia. Why should either of these organizations foot the bill when the gov't didn't respond to a much simpler and cheaper plan, and in the first place, not have the Shonan Maru 2 escorted out of Aussie waters.
Aussies should file a suit against their gov't for not following through on the promises and allowing vessels to illegally enter their waters and not do anything about it.
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SSCSforever
@Kwaabish
I am well aware of the above. But you still are not understanding my question. Why, for example, were they not arrested in port recently if the are "eco-terrorists"? Why has Japan not charged them with any crimes (besides Pete Bethune as that was an individual case).
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SSCSforever
@arrestpaul
Yes, except they did not illegally board the vessel. The SM2 was illegally in Australian waters.
From Humane Society International: "Under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999, it is an offense for a whaling vessel to operate anywhere inside Australia’s 200 nautical mile EEZ, not just within our 12 nautical mile territorial waters. HSI therefore maintains that the Shonan Maru No 2 was always in breach of the Act while it was inside Australia’s EEZ and therefore should have been apprehended at this stage. Similarly, the incursion of the Yushin Maru No 3 into our waters off Macquarie Island is also a breach of the Act, and of great concern given the World Heritage listing of this sub-Antarctic area. HSI is very pleased to hear that the three whale activists detained on board the ship will now be released."
According to the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999, the SM2 and YM3 are in breach of Australian law.
They were kidnapped. They were taken out of Australian territory against their will and without authorization of Australian customs.
Paul was not lying. He was completing the plan that the men wanted. They wanted to board the SM2, have it take them back to port, and the Steve Irwin would flee from the SM2's trail. He didn't abandon them. He requested that the 3 men be transferred to the Steve Irwin so the Aussie custom vessel, Ocean Protector, did not have to go to pick them up.
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SSCSforever
@kwaabish
First, Paul Watson will never be persona non grata as he is a Canadian citizen and you cannot be denied entry into your own country. Second, even though Paul has been declared persona non grata in Iceland, he was never charged with crimes because Iceland didn't want to bring attention to their illegal slaughter of whales and he wasn't directly invovled with the sinking of the whaling fleet or destruction of the whaling station. He was charged in Norway and served his sentence. Third, Pete Bethune was not charged with any violent crimes and he received a 2-year suspended sentence. One of his charges was interference with business. This hows that Japanese whaling is NOT research and is an illegal commercial whaling operation. The other claims you mentioned are not true.
You misunderstood my question. I was asking why Sea Shepherd doesn't have any current charges or arrest warrants. Why haven't they been arrested by the Aussie, Tahitian, British, Dutch, Canadian, American, or Japanese gov'ts if they are "eco-terrorists"?
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SSCSforever
@arrestpaul
You clearly didn't research either SSCS, Forest Rescue, or other articles about the incident. The 3 men approached Paul while the SI was docked in Fremantle and asked if SSCS would assist in boarding the SM2.
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