Thursday February 16, 2012

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    SezWho2

    More germane might be...

    Mmmm. Well, yes. It might be. However, I think you'll have to be more explicit as to how the shooting death by a Stasi-agent-cum-West-German-policeman is more germane to this case.

    What government would not put down a violent demonstration, even using lethal force?

    Posted in: Iran's Guardian Council ready to do limited recount of ballot boxes

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    SezWho2

    Too young to remember Kent State, are we?

    Posted in: Iran's Guardian Council ready to do limited recount of ballot boxes

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    SezWho2

    When Obama nominated Panetta to be head of the CIA, politicians and reporters alike pointed out that he had no previous intelligence experience. America now has a retread political hack from the Clinton administration in a job where we need a seasoned professional within the intelligence community.

    Even if this were true, it would be irrelevant with respect to Panetta's comment. There is no prohibition against the CIA director making public comments with respect to security. Many have.

    However, it is not even necessarily true. Perhaps what the CIA needs is a fresh look. And a "seasoned professional within the intelligence community" may be exactly the wrong place to look for that.

    What Mr. Cheney has said can be seen as "wishing that this country would be attacked again" only by someone looking to protect himself from the consequences of his inexperience.

    This is false as stated here. It would be just as true to say that Cheney's statements can be seen as "not wishing that this country would be attacked again" only by someone who lacks experience in assessing people and their motivations. Anyone should be able to see his statement as a wish--whether it is or not.

    Those who have suggested that it is impossible for the US to win in Iraq or Afghanistan have been treated to suggestions that they wish America to fail. This is a slipper that fits either foot.

    Posted in: CIA head suggests Cheney almost wishing U.S. will be attacked

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    SezWho2

    SuperLib,

    I'm sure we could find cases where former presidents have criticized sitting presidents. And then we could make distinctions and argue those for what they are worth.

    Bush did not immediately follow Carter. That seems like a significant distinction to me. Cheney, on the other hand, has been out of office less than 5 months and is playing doomsayer to policies which, for the most part, were included in Obama's mandate.

    Cheney looks petty and peevish. And while it is not Panetta's job to call him on that, he has at least as much right to his opinion as Cheney does and somebody needs to tell Cheney to take a long vacation.

    Posted in: CIA head suggests Cheney almost wishing U.S. will be attacked

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    SezWho2

    sailwind,

    Sure, the media gives Cheney a forum. I'm sure it would give Bush one, too. However, Cheney could decline to seek the forum and could decline to avail himself of it when offered.

    Posted in: CIA head suggests Cheney almost wishing U.S. will be attacked

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    SezWho2

    skip,

    I don't quite catch what you are trying to say either. In my imperfect memory, those people who others call "left", "leftist" or "the Left" very, very seldom refer to themselves in those terms.

    Yes, I remember the faux outrage when he went to NY. Those who "supported" him--as I recall it--supported mainly his effort to go to New York and his effort to speak in a hostile forum. I don't think they support Ahmadinejad or his goals (in whosotever's representation of them) as they deplore a condemnation of him which shuts off listening.

    It's kind of like saying that those posters may well disapprove of the bulk of what Ahmadinejad is saying but other posters who do not defend Ahmadinejad's right to say it very seldom give them the space to say that without charging them with inconsistency, hypocrisy, waffling, fence-sitting or any other of the litany of pejoratives which dismiss with prejudice.

    Posted in: Ahmadinejad opponents shout protests from rooftops

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    SezWho2

    Play all the word games you want.

    That was not a word game. That was a fundamental semantic distinction. And it is a distinction which you have not addressed other than by accusing your interlocutor of "playing games".

    Panetta, among others, is charged with the job of protecting America and its interests. Perhaps that is exactly what he is doing in suggesting that Cheney's only vindication would be another attack on America. If "Cheney is free, as are all other Americans, to comment", then so is Panetta.

    Cheney is crossing a line in his criticism. If Panetta is crossing one in his response, that should be a good thing among the feisty crowd, not a bad thing. Imagine if Bin Laden crossed a line but we insisted on observing niceties.

    Posted in: CIA head suggests Cheney almost wishing U.S. will be attacked

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    SezWho2

    Gore spent 8 years traveling the globe and savaging Bush.

    I don't think this is really true. In the first place, to dispel the rhetoric, I don't think Gore "savaged" Bush. In the second place, Gore was an advocate for a single cause which at its heart had nothing to do with exclusively American policy or exclusively American interests. Most of his criticisms were of Bush science policies which allowed complete ignorance of the issue for which Gore was advocating.

    Cheney is accomplishing nothing but adding rancor to the political process. It hardly matters that he was a former Secretary of Defense. He is the former VP and he really needs to get someone else to carry the torch of growling fear--unless no serious Republican voice is willing to take up that message.

    Posted in: CIA head suggests Cheney almost wishing U.S. will be attacked

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    SezWho2

    In the end it is Panetta's job not to comment on what former Veeps say or do but to protect our country and its interests.

    No. It is not true that it is Panetta's job not to comment on what Cheney says. What is true is that it is not Panetta's job to comment on what Cheney says.

    Moreover, endeavoring to protect our country and its interests is not mutually exclusive of commenting on Cheney's remarks.

    Posted in: CIA head suggests Cheney almost wishing U.S. will be attacked

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    SezWho2

    Cheney and him seem to be in a three week rotation with Palin lately.

    These three are not simply Republicans. I don't think their agendas even have much to do with Republicanism. Rush is masterful in not engaging in dialogue with anyone his equal, Cheney is choking on his own bile, and Palin is searching for the lost limelight.

    The core principles of Republicanism--small government, low taxation, freedom to engage in business and so on--are sound principles. And there are plenty of good Republicans. Of late, however, the Republican mistake has been to compensate for its minority status by coopting causes which are not essential to Republicanism and by choosing standard-bearers which seek to govern by fear. A free people will not long live in fear even if there is something to fear.

    Posted in: CIA head suggests Cheney almost wishing U.S. will be attacked

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    SezWho2

    skipthesong,

    You seem to be on an initial basis with Ahmadinejad. Sounds cozy.

    I don't think Ahmadinejad has supporters here as much as he has people who smell a hate-fest when it is brewing. My guess is that, more likely than not, those same people would be willing to take Ahmadinejad on when he gets wound up in his theories about the Holocaust and what have you.

    Posted in: Ahmadinejad opponents shout protests from rooftops

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    SezWho2

    Nothing is wrong with criticizing the President. Something is wrong with Cheney criticizing this administration. Cheney's time is over. That criticism should come from his mouthpiece, not from him.

    Cheney is no longer America's salesman. Let's say you have a Ford dealership and a Toyota salesman comes into your business place and tries to talk your customers off your cars. But enough with analogies!

    Of course you should listen when people say things you don't like. Cheney, however, is not saying anything new or original. He should sit down and let Rush take up the burden. I suspect more people listen to Rush anyway.

    Posted in: CIA head suggests Cheney almost wishing U.S. will be attacked

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    SezWho2

    Mr. Cheney detailed point-by-point exactly where Obama is failing to protect America.

    What he detailed was his opinion concerning where Obama is failing to protect America. The only way that his opinion can be confirmed as accurate is if there is another attack and that attack can be attributed to the details he specified.

    You do not hear President Bush speaking out on this situation. You do not hear that because second-guessing the new administration undermines it. Bush doesn't speak about this and neither should Cheney.

    Posted in: CIA head suggests Cheney almost wishing U.S. will be attacked

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    SezWho2

    The actual vote count is known.

    Documentation?

    Posted in: Ahmadinejad opponents shout protests from rooftops

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    SezWho2

    teleprompter:

    The paper’s website reported...

    Mousavi's paper's website reported this. Did you forget to add that?

    Posted in: Ahmadinejad opponents shout protests from rooftops

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    SezWho2

    Ummm...why is it irresponsible for him to suggest that Cheney is "almost suggesting" something? If anyone should sit down, shut up and stop rockin' the boat it is Cheney. Cheney's remarks are a breach of decorum and they should be aggressively countered.

    Cheney is indulging in remarks of the sort that beg an attack on America as proof of accuracy. His behavior is mean and petty at best. If Cheney's message is an important one for Americans to hear, then someone else should be the messenger, someone with a political future.

    Posted in: CIA head suggests Cheney almost wishing U.S. will be attacked

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    SezWho2

    Let's keep 'em barefoot and pregnant.

    Posted in: Netanyahu endorses demilitarized Palestinian state

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    SezWho2

    Again, I read a post like that and think it's like you have a certain world view (and more to the point a political ideology you believe can truly transform others) you are just dying to tell us all about but fear (of embarrassment?) prevents you from spelling it out clearly.

    teleprompter, what point are you confused about? I do have a world view as does almost everyone else and I post from that world view. I am not aware of having any particular ideology but there is no question that from your point of view I am what you would call a leftist simply because you don't seem to be capable of seeing the world other than in terms of a left/right divide. Again, if you are confused, ask a question and I'll be happy to try to answer. Do try, however, to confine the questions to the topic at hand.

    Contested elections in theocratic Iran, gov't violence against ordinary citizens,the mullahs decide another Potemkin election and yet all you can come here with is a desperate, tortured denunciation not of Iran but of the country you claim to hail from?

    It amuses me that people outside of Iran seem to know a lot more about what is going on inside Iran than the Iranians do. I haven't even begun here to denounce the US--which, by the way, in spite of your insistent innuendo, I do hail from. The point of my post is that you are naive if you do not think that the US supports the Iranian opposition or that it will not try to get as much political mileage as possible from this result.

    How do you know this is a Potemkin election? I submit that you do not. You may guess that it is, but what is that based on other than the non-objective utterances of US officials and your own prejudice?

    We will not soon know the actual results. I was speaking to a group of posters who thought they did. Protests are good for the American propaganda machine. They are also proof of democracy in Iran.

    Posted in: Tehran calm after vote fraud claims trigger clashes

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    SezWho2

    Panetta should be fired for making such a ridiculous remark. Cheney has said that he thinks Obama's policies are making the U.S. less safe because he's deeply worried about the situation.

    I don't think Panetta should be fired for giving his personal opinion of a man whose political time is past. As the article says, Cheney's comments do "almost suggest" that he would be vindicated by an attack. In the absence of an attack, history will simply record him as a staggering lunatic, choked to the gills on sour grapes.

    Also it would be good to remember that there were millions who criticized Bush's policies for keeping us safe and who suggested that those policies were more likely to produce attacks. I seem to recall that one of the objections that was raised against this point of view was that somehow these people weren't true blue Americans and that they were secretly hoping for America to be attacked again. Or is my memory faulty?

    Sauce for the goose, I say.

    Posted in: CIA head suggests Cheney almost wishing U.S. will be attacked

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    SezWho2

    Thank heavens the US would never fund anti-government demonstrations, especially in Iran. Subject only to our reserved right to second-guess the people's will and to blacken those we dislike with charges of thwarting it, we always support popularly elected governments unless, of course, we do not like the results.

    Posted in: Tehran calm after vote fraud claims trigger clashes

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