Thursday February 16, 2012

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    please show me a country that doesnt fall into this catagory

    I'm not talking about other countries. I'm talking about the Taliban.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    you obviously do not understand that by saying that statement you are disregarding their human rights.

    Is it their human rights to oppress and control women? I don't know where you would get that idea.

    if a country forces another to change its religion or culture, that is an abuse of human rights

    If a country's religion or culture is violating some members of that society's human rights, that situation needs to change. Education is preferable to bullets, but the freedom of religion, or any other freedom, doesn't contain within it any rights to oppress people or infringe upon their human rights. Seems pretty easy to understand.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    Um no you said "

    Um no, look above where I said that to find my initial statement.

    Yep by forcing your will upon them and making them change their religion and lifestyle because YOU dont agree with it!!

    Sure, and someone attacks a little old lady I will force my will upon them and make them stop because I don't agree with it.

    l dont agree with your laws or religion

    Religion doesn't trump human rights. Neither does culture.

    As you obviously cannot or will not see the picture beyond "the Taliban are bad and must change"

    Ha ha, more like I won't let you drag me into a thousand little side arguments. I made my point in my first post to you and I'm sticking to it.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    your initial statement was your opinion of the Taliban was formed by reading newspapers.

    No, my initial statement in reference to you was "they are horrible extremist religious zealots." That's been my point all along.

    you want to FORCE your will upon people against their wishing and in defiance of their religion.

    No, I want to protect people from the Taliban forcing their will upon them.

    you say bugger their human rights in terms of religious freedom they must obey human rights as set by us.

    No, I say religious freedom doesn't give anyone the right to trample on someone else's human rights.

    The arguement is the US is there because of the Taliban and there "human rights record" l am asking is the US any better or any different.

    Who's argument is that? The only point I've been trying to make is that the Taliban is bad for reasons previously explained numerous times. Whether the US is bad or not is irrelevant to whether the Taliban is bad or not, as I've already said once or twice, as well.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    My point is you think that this is limited to this site or is it a wide ranging issue with all media including the media that you use to form you views on the topis being discussed?

    Oh, is that your point? I'm still not sure what your point really is. All media will naturally have some bias. So what? That doesn't mean the Taliban isn't an extreme religious group who care nothing for human rights.

    So you throw ad hominem

    You've attacked me personally, instead of keeping to the points I've made. That's what an ad hominem attack is. I've made it a point not to do that.

    even some christian groups could be called extreme would you not agree?

    I would agree, but whether other groups are extreme or not is completely irrelevant to my point which is; the Taliban is an extremist religious group who force their views on others and disregard human rights and is therefore BAD.

    So your universal human rights justifies you trampling on a groups religious beliefs? Yes / No.

    Yes, if that group is infringing on other people's human rights. As I said in the beginning, culture is not an excuse for disregarding people's human rights.

    what about the human rights abuses that the US and its allies have perpatrated in the name of this war. Can you please tell me where you stand on that?

    Why do you keep bringing up the US? It's certainly not relevant to anything I've been saying. The US committing human rights abuses or not doesn't have any bearing on the nature of the Taliban. Just so you know, I am very anti-military, anti-US hegemony, and have criticized America and it's numerous unjust dirty wars over the decades for a long time now. I've also been hated for it and called a traitor as I'm an American myself. Now, none of that was relevant in the slightest, but maybe you'll stop asking unrelated questions.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    Actually yes it was you just a couple of days ago saying this media outlet sensationalised news.....

    Actually, this "media outlet" doesn't do any "biased reporting" because they don't report anything, as in write articles. And I didn't say they sensationalized news, I said they selected sensational stories. Not quite the same thing, but spin it any way you like and then claim objectivity.

    Lets just say your entitled to your one sided view based on what you read in the newspaper and l will keep an open mind (or as you call it being Pro Taliban.) I guess that you are one of these the US is always right people. Just out of curiousity how many peoples human rights has the US trampled in the past few years, how many have they executed? How many countries have the US bombed and invaded (on false information)?

    Neither ad hominem attacks nor criticism of the US are relevant to my point, which is; The Taliban is an extreme religious group that cares nothing for human rights and tries to force it's views are others. This makes it a bad group according to my view of things.

    you believe that your beliefs are more important and morally right than anyone elses and therefore you agree with forcing your beliefs on others because they are inferior to you and your beliefs. So whats next Iran, Saudi, any of the mid east countries that dont subscribe to your beliefs?

    I believe in the concept of universal human rights, as I've said. Apparently you believe putting words in people's mouths is a credible rhetorical tactic. We'll have to disagree on that one, as well.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    Rather than relying on the media. After all wasnt it just a couple of days ago you where bagging the media about their biased reporting?????

    Books are media as well, and no I don't think it was me bagging the media about biased reporting. Authors of books also have bias you know and it seems one or two of them has passed their pro-taliban bias on to you.

    Really thats what your saying

    No, that's not what I was saying. What I said was, "I believe in universal human rights. Cultural/religious differences don't take away people's basic human rights." I didn't say I was for the death penalty, or that one country should invade another to impose their values on the other. You are trying to put words into my mouth.

    And, no, it's not a dig, simply an observation.You are saying they did some good things therefore they aren't that bad, but your conclusion doesn't follow logically from your premise. They could still be bad, whether they did some good things for their country or not. I believe they are. For one, they are religious extremists who force their views on society with no regard to human rights, because they don't even acknowledge human rights exist. I don't even need a second reason for believing what I do. Even assuming your 70% figure is right and that is a huge assumption it has no bearing on what I'm saying.

    And, oh, I didn't answer one of your questions? I really can't even tell if they are hypothetical questions or if you really want an answer. But, knowing some specific factoid about how many people they killed for crimes (which, I'm sure you think you know, but I doubt anyone does) has no relevance to what I'm saying either.

    It's very simple, your approach is one of cultural relativity and mine is of universal rights.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    why do you assume your right and lm wrong.

    No, I'm assuming the newspaper articles I've read are right and you are wrong. Why? Because you've given me no reason to believe otherwise. If you just explained your sources, I might think them credible.

    You are trying to impose your values and beliefs on another people and are effectively saying your beliefs are wrong and ours are right... Arrogance at its greatest

    No, I believe in universal human rights. Cultural/religious differences don't take away people's basic human rights. And, what dig? You are sticking up for the Taliban. I'll say it again, seems like you've got a soft spot for them.

    Posted in: Obama says 33,000 troops will leave Afghanistan by next summer

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    @Spidapig

    Funny, I've read several articles saying girl schools were shuttered during the Taliban's reign. Why do you assume your information is correct and mine is rubbish? You've obviously got some kind of soft spot for the Taliban there. Strange and humorous.

    I guess it was a cool place run by some laid back dudes who didn't impose sharia law and stone women to death for being with a non-related man. Great. Thanks for clearing that up.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    @Spidapig

    Is it really such a bad thing if the Taliban come back and regain power? If they can stop al-qaida from using the country as a base then really is it so bad?

    Yes, because they are horrible extremist religious zealots. Well, I guess it's not such a bad thing if you don't care about the Afghan people at all. Girls that can finally go to school, etc... might consider it a bad thing, though.

    Also, what on earth makes you think they wouldn't let Al-Qaida train there again? Because, that's exactly what they were doing in the first place.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    Why are we all so willing to get involved and sacrifice 'ourselves' for the political stability of some middle eastern country that has nothing to do with us,

    Because American sheeple have been trained to be patriotic on cue.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    The ONLY reason I click on any link related to the uber-inane world of J-Pop is that there might be a sexy photo to see.

    Today is another disappointment.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    The Supreme court disagreed with your interpretation.

    Too bad for America.

    There could be a direct correlation. You simply don't know.

    There is a direct correlation. You must have meant causation, and even if you had typed it correctly the point would still be irrelevant as I'm not the one claiming causation. That would be Kuya.

    Whats that about correlation and causation? You could be right, but then you could be wrong. Why not admit that the one issue may have nothing to do with the other?

    You lost me there. Are you saying I should admit that a high rate of gun ownership and a high murder rate have nothing to do with each other? I think that's what you meant there.

    Obviously there are other factors involved in a country's murder rate than just gun ownership, but all things being equal, throwing a lot of guns into the equation will only make things worse, not better. There is information supporting this assertion available on the internet, but the mods deleted it last time I posted it, because it involved other countries.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    I don't know if it should be criminal. I'm a little too much of a proponent of free speech to go along this being a criminal case.

    I agree.

    Even more, I think it's pretty ridiculous. Political correctness continues to shape the world into a more 'moderated' place. Saying the wrong words can now get you arrested. Orwellian, is it not?

    The world will become more and more like an internet forum where there is always somebody to be offended even it's only by a different opinion. After any remotely potentially offensive statement you must make numerous disclaimers stating it's only IMHO, emphasis on the humble, to keep the masses from ganging up on you and running you out of town/off the site with pitch forks and torches.

    In the future, Galliano's comments will be 'moderated' and he could even possibly be banned (from the public eye).

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    You can very easily find people who will argue the point of causation vs. correlation

    Yes, it's very easy to find pro-gun people who love to make unfounded assertions of causation in this case.

    could have happened for any number of reasons other than that.

    Well, he did *shoot *them and easy access to guns seems a very likely contributing factor to him owning one. Your point would have been a bit stronger if you'd said killed instead of "shot".

    Guns make it easier to kill people and the benefit of self-defense doesn't seem very credible to me. If the tweaked out junkies of America know that everyone is packing they just have to make sure they draw first.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    @Kuya

    I think you may be confusing correlation with causation. Just because two things are sequential in time doesn't mean the first thing caused the second. The crime rates could have dropped for any number of reasons.

    As for your #1 to #8 comparison, obviously gun ownership isn't the only factor involved in firearm related murders. Can you show me an example where a country banned guns and the crime/murder rates immediately went up? I would be very interested to see that.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    No faker than any of the previous members.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    Isn't that obvious?

    Not at all. You said, "the rights and liberties handed down by our founding fathers". What rights? Right to own guns? I don't actually think the US constitution says you have a right to own guns. I believe it says militias have the right to bear arms.

    Also, I find it rather amusing how the pro-gun people worship the constitution and the "founding fathers"like some kind of cult/religion. Times change and the things that served society back then don't necessarily apply now. It really does remind me of religion, people following rules that were set forth back when the world was a different place instead of thinking to update them a little, or just writing some new rules. I think a new amendment to the constitution is well overdue.

    I predict America will just become more and more dangerous. The middle class will slowly disappear and the rich will live in well guarded communities while the rest of the populace will blindly play out the tragic roles of victim/victimizer. And, the only thing that will give the people any sense of social connectivity will be the many wars America gets itself into.

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    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    What , is this a trick question?

    I started using my ac several weeks ago.

    Posted in: How do you intend to cope with the heat without turning the air conditioner on?

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