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The_Berserker
History is not all roses and rainbows. In order to survive, sometimes the survival of the many outweigh the rights of the few.
I agree. A military combat zone is not regular civil society. The military calls the shots and the objective of the military is to win the war.
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The_Berserker
Many of these children died, due to inadequate food and stress from living in these conditions.
The Relocation Centers had the highest birth-rates and lowest death-rates of any wartime American community.
Unlike the the rest of America, the Relocation Centers were not subject to food rationing.
Those are facts. Where did you read you information?
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The_Berserker
Messrs. Odoi, Yamashita, and Masugi's voices are heard, but they obviously don't speak for a majority of the Japanese American community.
How do you know. Anyone who speaks out against the reperations fanatics are immediately ostrocized. It's no different from the "Thought Police" of the 30's and 40's.
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The_Berserker
Moderator: Readers, you are going around in circles.
Agreed....
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The_Berserker
Well the above is about all I need to conclude this issue.
Well, I've touched on all those issues in previous posts on this thread.
It's funny how muched I've touched on that is conveniently ignored because it doesn't support your views. Taking up JT server space repeating myself isn't an alternative, so I'll part by suggesting those who want the truth regarding this history stop by this website and start reading for yourselves.
http://www.internmentarchives.com/
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The_Berserker
DeWitt is on record as claiming the loyalty of NO Japanese could be determined. Of course, we know from the head of WRA that he was displaying some very racist tendencies.
And as I mentioned and you ingnored, DeWitt was for evacuating all enemy-aliens and not evacuating American citizens. That doesn't quite gel with your view.
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The_Berserker
LOL! Where is the science behind that preposterous statement?
The same report where you got this statement.
ONI officer in charge of investigating the Japanese on the West Coast concluded that: "the vast majority of Japanese and Japanese Americans living on the West Coast are loyal and trustworthy."
He estimated a 75% loyalty rate which equals a 25% disloyalty rate. But you haven't read the report, have you.
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The_Berserker
More "racists" for you:
"Almost all the testimony by Japanese-Americans before this Commission has been decidedly pro-redress because the moderate voices have been largely squelched. The report of the CWRIC "Personal Justice Denied" is very biased". Mas Odoi, President 442nd Memorial Assn, Seattle, WA
"The summary of the CWRIC "Personal Justice Denied" is one-sided, faultfinding propaganda. From the beginning the Commission members were carefully selected by the JACL, so it is not impartial. The Commission chair, Joan Bernstein, herself disqualified by expressing pro-redress comments before the public hearings began. First of all, Executive Order 9066 was the remedy, not the cause of our wartime ordeal." Shonin Yamashita, Issei. From his book-It Had To Be So.
In reviewing the Commission's report and recommendations, one encounters three leading characteristics: intellectual dishonesty, moral posturing, and political opportunism." Dr. Ken Masugi, Resident Fellow Claremont Inst.
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The_Berserker
German and Italian enemy aliens assisted considerably in weeding out the disloyals from their communities in America. The Japanese didn't cooperate at all.
Why is that?
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The_Berserker
sfjp330 - you seem to be intent on stating issue with U.S. policy without answering any questions posed to you.
That's typical of both these guys. They're hardcores. I'm just going around in cirlces with them now, but haven't gone through my documents lately so it's good practice. I wish they could debate themselves better, though.
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The_Berserker
Early rumors of sabotage and espionage by Japanese residents in Hawaii and the West Coast were found to be false by the FBI and other govenment agencies, but these findings were suppressed by high U.S. officials in government. There was not one instances of sabotage or espionage by Japanese citizens or residents of the U.S. or during the war. Nevertheless, the government did not deny rumors to that effect.
Nonsense. I've posted plenty of evidence of espionage and fifth-column activity.
As for suppresing evidence, what a farce.
Aiko Herzig-Yoshinaga's (Japanese-American! Surprise!) "newly discovered evidence" refers to a January 26, 1942 memo written by Lt. Commander K.D. Ringle, deputy intelligence officer for 11th Naval District.
Aiko was the "principal researcher" for the CWIRC.
So the "newly discovered evidence" that Aiko "found" that was used in the Coram Nobis cases of the 1980's is this Ringle memo the the pro-reparations lawyers submit to the court as exhibit "D" MINUS THE FEBRUARY 14, 1942 ONI COVER MEMO FROM RINGLE'S BOSS, H.E. KEISKER STATING "IT DOES NOT REPRESENT THE FINAL AND OFFICAL OPINION OF THE OFFICE OF NAVAL INTELLIGENCE ON THE SUBJECT."
The memo was also carbon copied for MID and two sections of the FBI.
Thus, the memo was an unoffical document haveing no status whatsoever was not concealed, but on the contrary given wide distribution, did not represent the stated position of the ONI nor anyone else of any status in the military, and WAS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH AN OFFICIAL ONI INTELLIGENCE REPORT AUTHORED BY LT. COMMANDER HIMSELF LESS THAN TWO WEEKS LATER.
That's the story on the Ringle memo, and the "newly discovered evidence" the court received in the Corum Nobis cases.
So what's it called when lawyers provide evidence under false pretense?
Here's a link to the cover letter conveniently ignored by Aiko and the activists lawyers...
http://www.internmentarchives.com/archimg/d00425p070.png
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The_Berserker
Far from a political circus, it was democracy at its best -- working to put some remedy into a gross historical injustice.
I provided plenty of information on this, too. You don't want to believe it and that's fine. I'm not out to convince you, but you're wrong.
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The_Berserker
Their "own homeland" was now the United States of America.
Nonsense. They wre overseas Japanese living in America. Did you read the quotes I provided above? ONI intelligence indicated a 25% disloyalty rate.
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The_Berserker
What it now appears is that, in 2009, with no heat of war as an excuse, we have in you an example of someone who, unlike the loyal Japanese-Americans refuses to go along with an action by his government.
Yes, the government apologized, but those who know the history understand it was a political circus. When politicians start writing American history rather than historians, the result will be BAD HISTORY.
Certianly with no heat of war it's easy to accuse people of racism rather than focus on winning the war. And let's face it, Polish history isn't exactly full of great military victories.
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The_Berserker
The Polish-American community in Detroit of which I was part would be very surprised to learn that.
Well, you're just young and deluded then. Poles and other Slavic people were also affected by anti-immigration laws after WW1. I guess they were victims of "racism", too.
In 1942, the Japanese-Americans demonstrated their loyalty by largely submitting to an act by their government which they knew was wrong.
Most of the adults among them had enough sense to understand that they were nationals of a country with which we were at war, and that they were being treated so much better than their own homeland was treating our nationals that they were lucky to be where they were.
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The_Berserker
It's nice to see folks like you claim, in 2009, that what the American government admitted was wrong also means that anyone who agrees with the US government's admission also supported Japan in the war.
Nice, in the sense that it so clearly demonstrates a loose grip on reality.
Radio Tokio's not saying anything different than you are.
Go back to my first post and re-read the comment by Eizo Hori. He must be a "racist", too.
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The_Berserker
For such a "minor" event in history that you earlier claimed it is, and being settled as it is, the time you spend in your defense of what your own government has admitted was wrong, combined with your disparagement and dismissal of the Japanese-American contributions to the efforts in WWII, makes it appear that you harbor deep-seated racial animosity towards, at least, one ethnic group in particular.
Well, I think you are probably of Japanese ancestory and you can't cope with the fact that members of your own community in America chose to support Japan. It's obvious given the amount of evidence I have provided that you have ignored.
You have provided primarily rhetoric. I'm providing a little now because this thread is about spent.
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The_Berserker
Regarding DeWitt, I will let the assessment by the former WRA leader, Dillon S. Myer -- a man who you yourself presented to this forum as a credible source for the treatment of Japanese-Americans in the camps -- stand. Myer's assessment was that DeWitt was acting out of racist impulses.
That's fine. Myer's is entitled to his opinion, but he was also a civilian and not privy to military intel. Besides the MAGIC intercepts relating to the evacuation weren't released until 1977, six years after Myer's comment that you cite.
Final Report was a cover story. it provided a plausable explanation for the evacuation which was based on information that could not be revealed. Criticize DeWitt and Final Report all you want, but denying the existence of intelligence regarding the real reason for the evacuation is dishonest.
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And more...
Another group of Japanese met on January 1, 1941, at Lindsay, California. They honored the 2,601st Year of the Founding of the Japanese Empire and participated in the annual reverence to the Emperor, and bowed their heads toward Japan in order to indicate that they would be ready to respond to the call of the mother country with one mind. Japan is fighting to carry out our program of Greater Asiatic co-prosperity. Our fellow Japanese countrymen must be of one spirit and should endeavor to unite our Japanese societies in this country .
Evidence of the regular occurrence of Emperor worshiping ceremonies in almost every Japanese populated community in the United States had been discovered.
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The_Berserker
Besides, after reading these remarks, it looks like DeWitt wasn't too far off the mark whether he meant it or not.
Heimusha Kai in America
"The world should realize that our military action in China is based upon the significant fact that we are forced to fight under realistic circumstances. As a matter of historical fact, whenever the Japanese government begins a military campaign, we, Japanese, must be united and everyone of us must do his part.
"As far as our patriotism is concerned, the world knows that we are superior to any other nation. However, as long as we are staying on foreign soil, what can we do for our mother country? All our courageous fighters are fighting at the front today, forgetting their parents, wives and children in their homes! It is beyond our imagination, the manner in which our imperial soldiers are sacrificing their lives at the front line, bomb after bomb, deaths after deaths! Whenever we read or hear this sad news, who can keep from crying in sympathy? Therefore, we, the Japanese in the United States, have been contributing a huge amount of money for war relief funds and numerous comfort bags for our imperial soldiers.
"Today, we, Japanese in the United States, who are not able to sacrifice our lives for our National cause are new firmly resolved to stand by to settle present war as early as possible. We are proud to say that our daily happy life in America is dependent upon the protective power of Great Japan! We are facing a critical emergency, and we will take strong action as planned. We do hope and beg you all to cooperate with us for our National cause."
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