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TonyUS
Beside ADAY.. all should be waving their fist at Russia because what they have done is support separatists of Georgia.
That is wrong. Georgia is not Russia so Russia should have nothing to do with Georgia's peoples decisions. You still try and forget this main item. Georgia is not Russia and Georgia is a country with borders that Russia is ignoring!!!! Everyone tries to stress diplomacy but not here when it comes to Russia. Georgia started nothing. Russia has been asserting itself in Georgia from the start.. You still try and over look the basis facts on this issue. Georgia is not part of Russia and Russia has no business controlling or trying to un-seat the Gregorian president or fight against the Georgian elected government. But again I hear the same old same old.. I think it is time to face the facts…I guess we will all see how it plays out because no matter what any of us says , WE are not going to change anything. But it does make one wonder why Russia does not want to help stop Iran from going nuclear along with there other military friend they have been building, China…
Posted in: Bush intends to punish Moscow for invading Georgia
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TonyUS
Aday. then let us hope Obama wil tell Russia we have no need for them and to kiss our ass and arm our friends with the weapons they need to give Russian forces the cassualties they deserve. Hope you are not standing there with the Russian forces.
Posted in: Bush intends to punish Moscow for invading Georgia
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TonyUS
Just that single statement says it all of your thoughts Sez..
so no reason to take any of your posts serious if you trying to change the meaning of. Your words are well documented unless you can get the moderators to delete them for you. But your stance on Georgia is all in the above post your wrote and the meaning of them is very clear to me and anyone that reads them. so do not back peddle on what is already documented Sez.
yes Sez and thay have had no right to be there. So again yousupport of Russia in Georgia where they should not be now or anytime.
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Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
You may come out and say you do not mean this or that, but your post suggest different. You read them!
I have and stand behind what I get out of them. US this US that and why Russia has done this in response to that.. come on get off the BS. Your post spell out exactly what your thought have been, if not we would not be argueing over these same points being touched on here.
Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
Then why blame the US for what Russia has done? Or why make excuses for what Russia has done? There are no excuses for what Russia has done across its borders
Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
well any one that supports suppression of their own people will definitely not see any thing wrong with suppression of others or domination over another.
But how long will large nations put up with being forced into a corner with out reacting. Once this happens the world will be facing great danger. Russia with the Baltic region is just a start. Russia and China would love to control all resources in that region, and if this is done at the expense of small independent democratic nations, both will be leading up to a larger confrontation that will destroy world security which will not be good for anyone and China and Russia either one will be out in the cold and isolated again from the world..
Reddragonguy you forget, the world got along well with out either one of these countries throughout history. No one especially major democracies are going to let China or Russia push them around with out retaliation.
Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
SezWho, if US and NATO wants to stop this, then we will see these break away provinces start being armed to wear any move by Russia will result in consequences to an invasion with real casualties if they invade other areas or other countries. Arms race, I think not, but negotiations between the countries and Russia at the same time building their defenses and offensive capabilities. As we have seen by elections, none of these countries want Russia over Europe or US. If this is what they want , they should have it and no one including Russia should stop them. Russia wants to blame this on the west and bring NATO closer to their borders, but at the same time over the years has continually built the Chinese military with advanced weapon systems but I do not see any thing said of such in any post when it comes to Russia and the US response to other situations that have to be considered when speaking global issues and security but am sure all is being concidered in response to these conditions, and when speaking global that includes everything and the US must consider everything, again not all is black and white such as this with Georgia or missile defense and placing interceptor rockets. This thing with Georgia is just a small piece of a very , very large puzzle. I am just waiting for a fall out between Russia and China to come about, and it will eventually as with any two countries over time. It is inevitable.
Your words suggest that Russia should rule and have the right to do so. My remarks are that Russia has no right and Russia has fallen back to pre Russia mentality and are taking the course and mindset of the SOVIET UNION days of rule.
I am saying I am against that as your words say it is ok. If for standing for free nations then as you suggest, there is no move to sit and watch freedom be destroyed by an aggressor. If isolating Russia is the only choice then that must be and be sure to take all steps so the isolation will be effective, but on the other hand, effectiveness would be difficult when there is China that with the need of energy as well could support Russia in any event , economically, so the ripple effects would also have to be considered, Besides I see all this associated with the rise of China and the world support of China's economy and this is where it lead to with these countries that hold the world energy supplies of oil and their rise to power. What a situation the west has caused with the catering to large corporate interests.
I am certain these remarks will not go over well, but all is connected and all of these issues has brought about the power of those that should never have been given the power to rise and begin what we are witnessing now. If you notice, just about all my references come back to one thing. China.. The continual support the west have gave to China has only caused us more and more problems and has given the radical power hungry leaders around the world more and more power and leverage that the west is finding impossible to deal with.
All is not black and white when it comes to promotion of a global community and all this has added fuel to the fire we are witnessing now. China and Tibet, no one can do anything or put pressure to correct what China has and is doing with the Tibetans, Same3 with Russia and its rise again in power because of the demand for energy, main cause, China’s heated economy, and why is that? Corporate interest from the greed of politicians in the west and some sort of sought leverage of interaction with China back at Nixon’s time to have an edge in the cold war with Soviet Union. Many events has lead us to what the problems we face today, but the main issue that has brought all this about was the support and building of China and that lies right here in our hands. Like my opinion or not, I see China as the main source of all of this and the continual support of their economy by western companies that are allowed to produce in that country and able to ship their produces back here and to all western nations while we are seeing such an imbalance of trade and seeing china with double digit growth rates and ours at 1.9%, which seems to be the latest numbers. It is a circle, connected with demand and sky rocketing energy prices that has brought these nations into the fold of holding power over small ones and even over the western powers that is loosing the grip they once had in stopping such aggression from the radical leaders and power hungry countries. Another issue Sez, is I would rather see the US and its allies have the hand in power than ever the Russians or China or Saudi’s, and even the crap we are getting out of Venezuela and Chaves. All related to the power and influence of the high demand for energy and the rise of China we can blame ourselves for that has brought about this demand and high energy prices.
Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
You can also go back and express history and prosperity, but that was then and we eventually seen what happened to the Soviet Union, today is of a different time and economically you can not say what the future for Georgia will be when trying to say the past will be the present, Nothing stays the same and everything changes, Yes, you and I do look at this issue with completely different views, I look into the future as developments to take place, not into the past that has already faded into history and has no barring on the present times and changes that are taking place around the world, when hopefully, people are gaining their independence and unchained from those forcing upon them power, which Russia is doing right now as a repeat of the past. You may try and make excuses and back that type of mentality and type of forceful rule over others but I sure the hell do not and never will. Although not a supporter of Bush and his policies, I am happy Iraq will be a country of the people and just hope the world will stand against Russia’s aggression against Georgia and stop them from deciding what Georgia should be and the people of Georgia to continue to develop their own future without Russia’s bold imposition upon them.
Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
Dannit, You are funny, Georgia wants friendly ties with US, no one is making them, where do you come up with such spin? US and pipe lines so what, sure US wants good relations, but so does Georgia.. and it is their choice like it or not
Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
Georgia is just wanting to define its natural baorders and has every right to do so, None of Russia;s bussiness at all
Russia is a PIG This crap of Russia is unbelievable. I believe they are wanting to push everything to the brink of someone ready to push the button, They are fools!!!!!!!!!!
The new president of Russia is nothing but a communist minded piece of crap!!!!!!!
Vocal critic of Kremlin shot dead in police custody http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2008/09/02/2003422066
Russia warns against backing Georgia http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2008/09/02/2003422065
Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
living in Georgia a Russian passport should mean nothing unless for visiting Georgia
Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
Dammit, first off they live in Georgia
Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
interesting article
EU leaders warn Russia over partnership talks http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080901/aponreeu/russiageorgia
Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
Dammit.. also Russia has no right to say how many Americans or any other people of nations around the world can be in any country. One reason being that so Many Americans are there because the government of Georgia is an ally to the US, That does not take much knowledge or even common sense to figure that out. What is a shame is Georgia not getting the military equipment needed to protect its borders by invading forces from ANOTHER country..
Seems you have some deceptive view of all of this... Georgia is not Russian and Russia like it or not must understand that, and it should even be easier for you to accept. Georgia was taken by force by Russia to begin with and for you to say a country separating is so dam hard then you should take into the mix the fact that Georgia was never to be part of Russia from the beginning and now is back to where it should have always been, free .. But now we see Russia still does not want to let go of what it took by force to begin with..
Are you sure you are from Britain, if so maybe moved there from Russia or back when it was the Soviet Union. Why else would you want Georgia to be sectioned off and taken by Russia when Georgia has its specific border and always has.
Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
Well Sez, Do what??????? A part of Georgia, Russia has the right to support separatists within Georgia.. Give me a friggin break from that nonsense. Seems the Chechnians also deserve military aid from outside as well since they wish to not be part of Russia. DUH! from your support of Russia it sure does not sound as if you realize that S,Ossetia is part of Georgia and by all means no one has the right to say it is not. If those people want to be part of Russia then they do have the right to move to Russia and get the hell put of Georgia.
Dammit.... First off I am from the US, "AMERICAN"" But it does not take a person from some sophisticated, Russian or Chinese educational system to understand that you have some twisted view of the country of Georgia.... You do not understand that the people of S. Ossetia live in Georgia as well. You say you are from Britain but if you can not realize that S, Ossetia lies within Georgia borders, you are from some place not of earth.
Those people not able to defend themselves from the Georgians??????? They live in Georgia and are Georgians themselves. What are you talking about?? They are rebel separatists, just as stupid Russia calls the people fighting Russians forces in Chechnya. No difference, NO DIFFERENCE! So Russia has the right to squash their rebels and Georgia does not? BS!!!!!!!!!!
Russia is and has been the cause of all what has and what is now going on, they are meddling in another countries affairs and supporting separatists of that country and that is not a statement based on lies or deception. Russia is in another country causing havoc and is the only reason and cause for the situation at this time because they are the ones that have created all of this from the start.
You would say different if Russia was supporting separatists within your country , I am sure!
Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
Sezwho. you are talking about an area of Georgia to begin with. Read the title of the article. Russia promises MILITARY AID to South Ossetia.. now who is the threat to everyone in the region... THAT IS RUSSIA. And why does Russia feel democratic states as being a threat to them that has no military power and now all on that area seems to need all the military power necessary to stop Russia from continuing its posture upon others in the region that may not want to kneel to them and has more interest in the western style life style. Seems all are at risk from a dominating Russia stance that wishes to be friends with the west..
I do not find any agreement with your post. To begin with, Russia is the aggressor and has no reason or right to perform any military actions across its own borders. Also to take control of land from a democratic nation on the other side of its borders. No excuse what so ever for that and I also believe if Russia wishes to press military aid to provinces of Georgia then the western allies has every right to press military assistance in all areas to those that are threatened by Russia's push of takeover and control, and should happen sooner than later. I see Russia as a pig these days and should be treated as such by all civalized societies of the world, not that they are any lower than what China has done to Tibet and threats it holds against Taiwan. But we see who is buddy buddy in today's world. Funny how two can be such allies of one another when both seem to act of the same moral standards. What a pitty we all have to put up with such relicts of the past.
Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
Sezwho. a threat to Russia??? Where do you get this?
Posted in: Russia promises military aid to South Ossetia
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TonyUS
I think McCain's choice is great move... Get The female vote that was for Hilary. yeah RIGHT!!!!!! And..... isn't this the state that has the Alaskan pipe line that does not send oil north any more??? a pipe line that is not even supplying us oil??? Is this the same state she is from???
McCain is another large corporate backer by where his campaign funds has originated and just another puppy as the GOP has been these last eight years that has stopped, fixed income families from getting cheap drugs from Canada, and why are the drugs cheaper from Canada in the first place??????? Just shows how we as Americans are RIPPED off because of those supporting these large corporate interests..
The republicans and even many democrats are completely out of touch with evry day life of Americans all around the country.
At least Obama , age being a plus with this issue has not been long time away from peoples everyday hardships and will fight for those he has associated his life to helping before setting off to run for president.
If there is a chance for real change and priorities to be set for the American public, it will be Obama to begin the change that has been needed for the last 20 years or easily to say thirty years.
Not any of these facts can be ignored even with a pick of a female candidate, because it all boils down to the base of the republican party, big business and being sponsors of such at the common people’s expense.
Posted in: McCain defends VP pick
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TonyUS
ridsr.. And I was wondering where foreigners get the impression of Americans being arrogant..
Too bad they have to run into people such as…. Instead of common everyday people such as myself that are not handed everything on a silver platter and also have worked for a living all my life, maybe not to be rich as you like to acknowledge but have been able to secure the funds to pursue most of my dreams, but one thing for sure, I feel I am lucky and I appreciate the chance to do so and have had alot of family support as for help backing my goals as well. Not all have these opportunities at their disposal, and I am certain those that do, hoard their little gold pile like a cat with a mouse, and forget the needy and forget charities as their riches come and are kept because of self indulgence and greed! I do know a few that will expect waiters and waitresses to kiss their butts and then leave them a dollar as appreciation or if in a crowd take the other extreme and flash cash as to proclaim their worth. For some reason I feel I am describing the arrogance many see as being American and also reflects as I feel here from you! Hey it is your life but do not down grade the rest of us.
And believe me everyone.. not all Americans share in ridsr's view or believe in those beliefs. The majority of people are down to earth everyday people that appreciate where they have come from wether from wealth or from poverty, one thing for certian, those that have fought to gain status appreciate it much more and do not down grade those that are not able to get as far as which the majority of people wish to do.
One last remark.. It takes all kinds...
Posted in: McCain says Obama's views invite trouble abroad
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TonyUS
and alone
Posted in: McCain says Obama's views invite trouble abroad