Thursday February 16, 2012

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    Triumvere

    Eh. I'm waiting for the explaination of how I am wrong.

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    Triumvere

    Eh. I'm waiting for the explaination of how I am wrong.

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    Triumvere

    Truth hurts, eh?

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    Triumvere

    "Hypocritical" is a double-edged sword. Why is that so hard to understand?

    If you took position X in the last analogous situation, and your opponent took position Y, and now you have switched sides for political reasons then congrats, YOU ARE BOTH HYPOCRITES.

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    Triumvere

    Cain. Four accusers. Dude is putting up Clintonesque numbers, though ironically his opponents have had to go all the way back to the Clinton era, when America was already supposedly sexually 'liberated', to bring him down. His crime - he hit on women and when they resisted, he ceased.

    While I share your distaste for partisan hypocracy (though one could easily flip it around on Clinton-haters-turned-Cain-supporters, could they not?), I find your characterization of the incident in question to be severely lacking. If the allegation are correct, this is at the very least quid-pro-quo sexual harrassment (aka sleep with me and I'll give you a job), which is much more clear and serious harassment than hostile-enviroment. At worst it's sexual assault.

    These are not minor allegations.

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    Triumvere

    Me too, give me a check to go away too!!!!!

    Given that she isn't suing him, I'm curious as to where this mysterious payday is to come from... Talkshow and interview circuit? Are we expecting a book deal or perhaps a made-for-TV movie on lifetime? Or is this to be a shady backroom pay-off from a democratic operative?

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    Triumvere

    Which should give everybody here a real huge pause as to the real validity of this woman and her alleged claims.

    No. I don't agree with this at all.

    You yourself have pointed out that the statute of limitations has expired, so you already know she can't press charges, even if she wanted to. Why should that give anyone "pause"?

    How that would affect a civil suit, I don't know. But if she could sue him, Ms. Bialek would caught in a catch 22: if she did sue, Cain's supporters would say she was just in it for the money. If she didn't, it would be used as "proof" that the allegations weren't serious and couldn't be supported in court. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    Triumvere

    Our legal system came up with this intellectually bankrupt concept. It called the Statue of Limitations, A type of federal or state law that restricts the time within which legal proceedings may be brought.

    SHE ISN"T PRESSING CHARGES.

    She's not even suing him. There are NO legal preceding occuring.

    How does the Statute of Limitations apply? The statute of limitations is a recognition of the practicality that charges get progressively harder to prove as time goes on. But just because you can't prove something beyond a resonable doubt doesn't mean that that thing never actually happened.

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    Triumvere

    Address the actual point Yabits. It took this person 14 years to come forward with her allegations.

    So what?

    Where is it written that "real" abuse victims go public/press charges right away? Who came up with this intellectually bankrupt concept? It's a poisonous idea that hurts real victims of sexual misconduct.

    Frankly it makes perfect sense that she would come forward now if the charges are true and if they are false. It's a wash. It neither strengthens nor weakens anything.

    I find it disturbing that the the most vocal voices dismissing this women are also the most vocal Cain supporters (though I suppose you could easily flip that around for his detractors). Is guilt or innocence really to be determined by one's political leanings?

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    Triumvere

    One accuser, who received a settlement reportedly worth $45,000, issued a statement on Friday through her lawyer saying Cain had made a “series of inappropriate behaviors and unwanted advances.” Despite being released from the confidentiality clause in her original settlement, the woman, now a government employee, said she wished to remain anonymous.

    Now this is interesting. What of the other accuser? Was she released as well?

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    Triumvere

    Is it possible this woman is lying?

    Of course.

    And how come she didn't say anything about this before?

    Given what we know about the victims of rape and sexual harrasment, physical or emotional abuse, or even just victims in general, I'm surprised that this question is still being asked.

    Here's an answer: real victims fail to report victimization of all sorts all the time. Sometimes there are rational reasons, sometimes the reasons are irrational (Humans are not as rational as we'd like to believe). The fact that she did not immediately report it means nothing. We'd all like to think that we'd do X when faced with situation Y, but it often does not turn out that way. There are dozens of plausable reasons why Ms. Bialek might not have wanted to go public or make a complaint before now.

    Posted in: Cain sex accuser goes public in New York; he denies it on late-night TV

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    Triumvere

    Uhhhh....

    For those of you who wanted names and details, the fourth accuser, Sharon Bialek, has some for you... and they are not at all pretty.

    Posted in: Cain accuser stands by allegation; he ducks issue

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    Triumvere

    That's my point - if waiving the clause cleared the matter up for Mr Cain then he should surely show no qualms about breaking silence on the issue?

    I don't know. How do you determine such a thing? Sexual harrassment often boils down to "he said/she said." There is a distinct possibility that releasing the details will clarify nothing, but rather only make Cain look bad by assosiation. (The "he said/she said" thing is the reason why multiple allegations lend credibility - they strengthen the "she said" in comparison to the "he said.")

    Sexism was alize and well when these women made these claims, something not as easy to do back then as in this day and age

    Things may be easier today, but sexism is surely still "alive and well." The weird thing with rape/sexual harassment allegations is that they very hard to make if you've been victimized, but are much easier to make if you haven't. I'm not sure how we deal with that.

    The only clear conclusion we can draw is that the original allegations were not made to damage "candidate Cain" as they predate his running for office by a great margine.

    Posted in: Cain accuser stands by allegation; he ducks issue

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    Triumvere

    Paying off multiple women is akin to admitting that the women had a valid grievance -- which, they have asserted through their attorneys, was of a sexual nature.

    In fall fairness Mr Cain shouldn't really care about speaking of the incidents and therefore anulling the confidentiality clause, unless there is some truth in the allegations.

    I can't agree with these statements. In sexual harrasment suits against corperations, its often cheaper to settle than to go to court, even when the charges are baseless. I don't see a settlement as proof of guilt. Nor is it hard to see why Cain, if innocent, would want to stop the women from publically detailing their allegations. As to whether or not waiving the confidentiality clause would be benifical or not to Cain from a politcal standpoint, I don't really know.

    The two point hurting Cain right now, as I see it, are A) the number of allegations, and B) Cains (mis)handling of the response. Sexual harrasment is an abuse of power as much as it is anything, and offenders repeat. The more women that come forward with allegations, the more I am inclined to beleive them. From a purely political perspective, however, I am inclined to find B considerably more worrying, however. Presidents have to manage crises, and Cain's performance so far has not engendered confidence.

    Posted in: Cain accuser stands by allegation; he ducks issue

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    Triumvere

    The only person I presume that can release that information is Mr Cain himself.

    I'm not entirely sure; the NRA was part of the settlements. It may be the case that their permision is required as well. Also, there exists the possiblity that if Cain says too much about the allegations in question that he will have violated the agreement from his end, thus freeing the women to speak. At least one of the women, from my understanding, wants to speak publicly but cannot legally do so at present.

    Posted in: Cain accuser stands by allegation; he ducks issue

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    Triumvere

    Sailwind, Samwatters, & Molenir:

    You do realize that, at least in the case of the first two women, that they had to agree to a confidentiality agreement as part of their settlements against Cain and the Nat'l Restaurant Assossiation. They can't tell you their names or their stories because they are legally bound to silence. That's why you only get vague statements from the women's lawyers. The only way we can get their side of the story is if Cain and the NRA waive or break the agreement. They have the power to do so, but they won't.

    I don't have any idea how credible these charges are, and neither do you. But this is not some sort of anonymus hit-job on candidate Cain: these accusations were raised and settled years ago. The only reason you don't know the names and details is because Cain doesn't want to tell you.

    Posted in: Cain accuser stands by allegation; he ducks issue

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    Triumvere

    Literally the boyfriend from hell.

    Posted in: Mother of 9-year-old Iraqi suicide bomber arrested

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    Triumvere

    I hadn't watched in years, but I was lucky enough to catch his final broadcast. I'm not surprised he didn't survive his career by much: he gave everything he had until he had nothing left to give. Rest in Peace, Andy.

    Posted in: Former '60 Minutes' commentator Andy Rooney dead at 92

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    Triumvere

    Wow. Just, wow.

    Posted in: Satomi Ishihara to star in NHK medical drama

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    Triumvere

    Well, of course he survives. Do you honestly think anyone else wants to deal with this crisis?

    Posted in: Greek PM survives crucial confidence vote

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