Venlo's past comments

  • -8

    Venlo

    YuriOtani,

    Quick question for ya!

    Why are radiation levels NOT SIGNIFICANT after "5-6 kilometers?"

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  • -7

    Venlo

    Hey BS!

    Quick question for ya!

    Why are radiation levels NOT SIGNIFICANT after "5-6 kilometers?"

    Tell us again?

    Posted in: Iitate village in Fukushima divided into 3 zones

  • -8

    Venlo

    YuriOtani,

    Another question for ya.

    Today in Iitate-Mura, it is 5.489μSv/h @ 1 meter above the ground.

    Thus we can assume that closer to the ground, the levels are higher.

    In fact, it's safe to assume that levels are 4 times as much, @ 1cm above the ground.

    Let me ask you this. Would you let a child walk in an area with over 20 μSv/h?

    Would you let a family with small children stay in Iitate for weeklong stay-overs?

    Posted in: Iitate village in Fukushima divided into 3 zones

  • -9

    Venlo

    YuriOtani,

    Do significant levels of radiation exist, 5-6 kilometers beyond Dai-ichi?

    Posted in: Iitate village in Fukushima divided into 3 zones

  • -6

    Venlo

    YuriOtani,

    Think most people get more radiation exposure than atomic power plant workers.

    How so? More than 50mSv/yr?

    Now they are finding all of these "hot spots" and most have nothing to do with Fukushima.

    Could it possibly be from an old cobalt-60 medical capsule in someone's back yard? Please explain some more.

    There are other sources of higher than background radiation.

    More exposure than atomic power plant workers?

    Posted in: Iitate village in Fukushima divided into 3 zones

  • -6

    Venlo

    YuriOtani,

    Please explain some more of your thoughts. Thanks.

    Posted in: Iitate village in Fukushima divided into 3 zones

  • -6

    Venlo

    Hey BS,

    Quick question for ya!

    Why are radiation levels NOT SIGNIFICANT after "5-6 kilometers?"

    Tell us again?

    Posted in: Iitate village in Fukushima divided into 3 zones

  • -5

    Venlo

    BS,

    Yes, these numbers are within the internationally recommended levels (World Health Organization) and thus not a significant issue for people living in the area.

    According to MEXT, here are just three government radiation readings outside your so-called "NOT SIGNIFICANT range of 5-6 kilometers." They are by NO MEANS, "acceptable internationally recommended levels." 50mSv/yr are for Atomic Plant Workers.

    昼曽根屯所 @ Namie-Machi @ 15.417μSv/h @ 1 meter above the ground @ 8 km from Dai-ichi.

    小丸多目的集会所 @ Namie-Machi @ 27.334μSv/h @ 1 meter above the ground @ 10 km from Dai-chi.

    蕨平公民館 @ Iitate-Mura @ 5.226μSv/h @:1 meter above the ground @ 45 km from Dai-ichi.

    So, I will ask you one more time.

    Why are radiation levels NOT SIGNIFICANT after "5-6 kilometers?"

    Posted in: Iitate village in Fukushima divided into 3 zones

  • -5

    Venlo

    Baroil,

    Yes, these numbers are within the internationally recommended levels (World Health Organization) and thus not a significant issue for people living in the area.

    According to MEXT, here are just three government radiation readings outside your so-called "NOT SIGNIFICANT range of 5-6 kilometers." They are by NO MEANS, "acceptable internationally recommended levels." 50mSv/yr are for Atomic Plant Workers.

    昼曽根屯所 @ Namie-Machi @ 15.417μSv/h @ 1 meter above the ground @ 8 km from Dai-ichi.

    小丸多目的集会所 @ Namie-Machi @ 27.334μSv/h @ 1 meter above the ground @ 10 km from Dai-chi.

    蕨平公民館 @ Iitate-Mura @ 5.226μSv/h @:1 meter above the ground @ 45 km from Dai-ichi.

    So, I will ask you one more time.

    **Why are radiation levels NOT SIGNIFICANT after "5-6 kilometers?" **

    Posted in: Iitate village in Fukushima divided into 3 zones

  • -5

    Venlo

    Let me try & rephrase the question, Basroil.

    Why is there radiation in Iitate AT ALL, which is 45 kilometers away from Dai-ichi, when you previously said that fall-out levels from Dai-ichi "stop being significant after 5-6 kilometers?"

    Today, in Iitate, according to MEXT, it was 4.367μSv/h @ 1 meter above the ground.

    <http://radioactivity.mext.go.jp/map/ja/area2.html >

    How is that figure NOT "significant?"

    Please explain.

    Posted in: Iitate village in Fukushima divided into 3 zones

  • -5

    Venlo

    Basroil, I'm confused.

    Why is there radiation in Iitate, which is 45 kilometers away from Dai-ichi?

    You had previously said that fall-out levels from Dai-ichi "stop being significant after 5-6 kilometers."

    So, I don't understand how the radiation got there in the first place. Surely it can't be from Dai-ichi, right?

    Could it possibly be from an old cobalt-60 medical capsule in someone's back yard?

    Please enlighten me. Thank you.

    Posted in: Iitate village in Fukushima divided into 3 zones

  • -2

    Venlo

    Basroil.

    I just want to thank you.

    You're actually doing the anti-nuclear camp a great service with your posts.

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  • -9

    Venlo

    So... Basroil, they're just "in the business" to sell products, eh?

    I beg to differ, but let's take a look at some of your comments regarding the spread of radioactive fallout from Daiichi, nevertheless.

    May I quote.

    "Most of the radiation readings stop being significant after 5-6 kilometers (readings within 4 kilometers are highly significant but far less than some apocalyptic writers showed, a single point is anomalous due to it's location as a river valley)"

    "A RIVER VALLEY," you say.

    "Just some very small towns in the immediate vicinity to the plant. Nobody ever said there wasn't radiation, simply that the risks and levels are being overplayed. This evacuation never required 120000 people, maybe 20000 at most, of which 10000 would now be able to return home."

    So that's where the radiation ends, huh, Basroil? Just some "small towns in the immediate vicinity," you say?

    "and will be more than habitable within 50 years. In fact, no city shows averages over .35microSv (3mSv/year, or the worldwide average from natural sources, and roughly the same as the average exposure to medical radiation)"

    DO TELL, Basroil. 50 years, is that so?

    "I would suggest you get a professional scintillator if you are so worried about fallout. You'll be able to compare the source map against known Fukushima sources. A simple geiger counter can tell you how much radiation there is, but not what it is. For all you know, there's an old cobalt-60 medical capsule in your back yard and you just mistake it for fallout. Until you can post properly obtained readings (ISO has some good standards on reading radiation) from before and after Fukushima, I cannot tell you if you have any valid points as you have failed to prove your ability to properly use your instruments (like most protestors)."

    So which Geiger Counter is Basroil approved?

    Posted in: American praised for getting Japan radiation data

  • -9

    Venlo

    No doubt "some peeps" on this forum will also say SAFECAST don't know how to properly use Geigerz! lol

    Posted in: American praised for getting Japan radiation data

  • -7

    Venlo

    Basroil,

    1) It is a PUBLISHED FACT that Fukushima released the equivalent of 168 Hiroshima A-Bombs. The information was released by The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency of Japan itself. Here are the sources.

    <http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20110828a4.html > <http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/fukushima-cesium-leaks-equal-168-hiroshima-bombs-says-report >

    2) I disagree.

    Nowhere in the dissertation does it say it has anything to do with radioactive fallout (which includes caesium, plutonium, strontium, iodine, etc. ) Aside from the fact that it never mentions the word NUCLEAR FALLOUT, it does not include the INVERSE PROPORTION of AGE vs. EXPOSURE to radioactive fallout.

    Bottom line, you are comparing apples & oranges. The dissertation IS NOT APPLICABLE TO NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS.

    3) I repeat. Please stay on topic. Cigarrettes & RADIOACTIVE FALLOUT from a TRIPLE MELTDOWN at a NUCLEAR COMPLEX have absolutely NOTHING in common.

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  • -7

    Venlo

    Basroil,

    1) Fukushima released the equivalent of 168 Hiroshima Atomic bombs, so you need to MULTIPLY your comparison by a FACTOR of 168.

    2) not sure why you’re using an obscure post-doctoral dissertation on medical radiography as “evidence” on the effects of RADIOACTIVE FALLOUT from a NUCLEAR EXPLOSION. The dissertation doesn’t even touch upon the inverse relationship between age & fallout exposure. You are comparing apples & oranges.

    Therefore, I do not understand how you came to the conclusion that "it's statistically improbable to get even a 0.0001% increased chance for cancer" through exposure to NUCLEAR FALLOUT of 1.22 μSv/hr. It just doesn't follow.

    3) Please stay on topic. Cigarrettes & RADIOACTIVE FALLOUT from a TRIPLE MELTDOWN at a NUCLEAR COMPLEX have absolutely NOTHING in common.

    Posted in: 1st Japan reactor goes online since nuclear crisis

  • -7

    Venlo

    Basroil, please tell us why you say 1.22 microsv is nothing to worry about. Please provide factual evidence.

    Posted in: 1st Japan reactor goes online since nuclear crisis

  • -5

    Venlo

    Look who it is AGAIN... You never did respond to my DEBATE challenge on the previous thread. What happened, you can't do it?

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/tens-of-thousands-protest-japan-nuclear-restart

    Anyhow, let's see what you wrote this time.

    "They want to cut 5-15% to make up for a 25% capacity loss, and some companies already had 90-95% capacity during 2010's hottest weather. While the stuff is 'voluntary', they forget to state that it's mainly accomplished by paying large companies NOT to use electricity, at the ultimate expense of everyone else."

    -FALSE. Companies who didn't comply in 2011 with reducing electricity usage by 15% were FINED. The government DID NOT pay companies NOT TO USE ELECTRICITY. Get's your facts straight. See links for info.

    http://www.meti.go.jp/english/earthquake/electricity/restriction.html http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ioHQuGkxmZyC7TKPTb2jMGAhFZ7w?docId=CNG.a2e1e11ff51023279bd59f11049ad96b.771

    "Restarting one reactor which has just 1/50th of the capacity lost, does not help. Hopefully rolling blackouts will hit residential places (businesses need power or risk losing billions of yen, perhaps even trillions if another toshiba silicon plant shutdown level event happens)"

    -So according to this logic, your paymasters need to get all them nuke reactors up & running so that we don't risk losing trillions of yen in business, meaning "Money Trumps All."

    "all will be inconvenienced, and if heat is high enough, enough people will needlessly die and people will see that a tiny risk that a few extra cases of mostly curable cancers is outweighed by the many deaths of elderly and children right now."

    -You're showing your true colors here. Makes sense from your perspective, though. Can't argue with that! lol

    Posted in: Japan begins power saving despite nuclear restart

  • -6

    Venlo

    Basroil, you consistently fail to actually address my individual sentences.

    You only talk PAST me & go off on your own conjecture-based tangents.

    Please try to debate my sentences, piece by piece & respond accordingly.

    Are you able to do this?

    Posted in: Tens of thousands protest Japan nuclear restart

  • -5

    Venlo

    "The one thing I agree with."

    -Basroil, you mean to say, you don't agree with the figures the Japanese government posted about the high levels of radiation found in cities like Iidate, Koriyama & Fukushima City, which are 50-60 km's away from the plant?

    -You mean to say that my state of the art, first responder $550 INSPECTOR Geiger counter has not been detecting radioactive fallout in parts of Kashiwa, Matsudo, Tokyo & Gunma?

    "http://radioactivity.mext.go.jp/html/07B/07212.html Shows all the activity for Minami-Soma, which was the center of attention due to it's large size compared to other towns in the exclusion zone."

    -The map shows radiation readings for ALL OF FUKUSHIMA & beyond @ 1 meter above the ground. There are countless cities with readings registering over 0.5 μSv/h @ 1 meter above the ground. Imagine what they are @ 5cm above the ground.

    -I also fail to see how Minami-Soma is the "center of attention due to it's large size compared to other towns in the exclusion zone." Futaba District had 75,000 residents before the disaster & remains evacuated. The radiation levels there are substantially elevated. Minami Soma to the North of Futaba district had roughly 65,000 residents before the disaster.

    "As you can see, the almost all the readings are more or less indistinguishable from the expected amount."

    • Please avoid Doublespeak.

    "In fact, the radiation readings everywhere follow the fallout maps quite well in shape, but are actually lower."

    -excuse me?

    Please tell us, how 27.334 μSv/h is "actually lower" in Namie-machi.

    小丸多目的集会所 @ 浪江町 @ 27.334μSv/h @ 高さ:100cm @ 10 km from "The Plant"

    Please tell us, how 2.330μSv/h is "actually lower" in Minami-Soma.

    川房公会堂 @ 南相馬市 @ 2.330μSv/h @ 高さ:100cm @ 25 km from "The Plant"

    Please tell us, how 5.226μSv/h is "actually lower" in Iitate-Mura.

    蕨平公民館 @ 飯舘村 @ 5.226μSv/h @ 高さ:100cm @ 50 km from "The Plant"

    "Most of the radiation readings stop being significant after 5-6 kilometers (readings within 4 kilometers are highly significant but far less than some apocalyptic writers showed, a single point is anomalous due to it's location as a river valley), and will be more than habitable within 50 years."

    -Do tell us, buddy, how much are they paying you ???

    "In fact, no city shows averages over .35microSv (3mSv/year, or the worldwide average from natural sources, and roughly the same as the average exposure to medical radiation), just some very small towns in the immediate vicinity to the plant."

    -lol. Take a look at the interactive MEXT website again PLEASE. There are over hundred of readings for Fukushima.

    "Nobody ever said there wasn't radiation, simply that the risks and levels are being overplayed. This evacuation never required 120000 people, maybe 20000 at most, of which 10000 would now be able to return home.

    -Stop wasting out time. More people need to be evacuated, especially pregnant women, children & younger adults in areas registering over 0.5μSv/h @ 1 meter above the ground.

    "Just looking at the long term consequences even, a-bomb survivors are expected to have a 1% increased chance in cancer, yet they were exposed to 40 times more radiation than an average person in the 30km ring would get, a number that would increase the cancer rates so little that it would be scientifically impossible to distinguish rates based on exposure."

    -Japan Today's August 26th, 2011 feature said that the equivalent of 168 a-bombs were released by the explosions @ Daichi. According to your statistic, wouldn't that be 1% multiplied by 168 ?

    Basroil, you are clearly guilty of "ignoring the problem & downplaying the risks."

    But do keep it up; it's highly amusing to see you "spin"

    Posted in: Tens of thousands protest Japan nuclear restart

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