Wednesday February 15, 2012

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    WhiteHawk

    amerijap:

    Sigh. Read my response carefully. I didn't say "WHAT YOU SAID." I said, "YOU ASSUME." Don't be ridiculous.

    Ah, so you're reading my thoughts now.

    I'm not interested in power struggles between Republicans and Democrats in the first place. I don't care how much you criticize and demonize Obama, Nanci Pelosi, or any other democrats for being greedy or hypocritical, because it is NONE OF MY BUSSINESS.

    So you complain about the private sector being "greedy" (01:46 AM JST - 22nd January and 12:56 AM JST - 23rd January), but when it's time to hear about the greed of those running the government, it's none of your business?

    This isn't just about the power struggles between the Republicans and the Democrats, it's also about the power struggles between the government (currently run by the Democrats), the private sector and the citizens. Why can't you see that?

    Most republicans are NOT happy with the current health care system, either.

    But do you understand why? It's not for the same reasons as the Left. How many times do I have to post that the Republicans (and other center-right Americans) want tort reform?

    Look at your previous postings. You made a response to me in parallel with your main opponents in a single thread. You know why? Because you think I am in the same group with the rest of your opponents. That means, you fail to tell the difference between me and the other opponents by antagonizing me as one of your menacing opponents in this thread. That's what you did in your responses.

    How am I supposed to tell you apart from the other anti-private-sector Leftists when the ill-informed dogma you spout sounds so much like their ill-informed dogma?

    Posted in: GOP's Brown wins Massachusetts Senate race in blow to Obama

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    WhiteHawk

    That link you gave earlier to the NYpost doesn't seem to work.

    I've seen that happen here before. When the link shows up here, the underscore symbols are gone, and the words between them become italicized.

    Also, other posters seem to be able to use the "and" symbol, but if I use it, it ends the post. So if I quote someone's post where they use the "and" symbol, I have to go back through and replace them with [and]. Oh well, it is a better system than it used to be.

    Earlier we were discussing the lies of Obama. Found another one today. Previously he had promised to do away with No Bid contracts. Only to find out that his administration awarded a No Bid contract to a Democratic Donor. A contract that pretty clearly shouldn't have been a No Bid contract, became one.

    And tomorrow, Wednesday at the latest, I suspect another lie will surface. I only wonder how many it take before even the hardest of the hardcore JT Leftists cam no longer defend Obama.

    I tried to warn them (and there were others) that they were building Obama up in the election to something he could never live up to. Not that they didn't have help from Obama himself. Still, someday it will be all to apparent - even to his most staunch defenders - that he's just another lying, scheming, crooked Chicago politician. Then it will be their turn to throw him under the bus.

    Posted in: Democrats mull options for moving health care bill

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    WhiteHawk

    Right-wing dictators? Like who?

    Posted in: Anti-Chavez channel removed from cable TV

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    WhiteHawk

    Typical conservative hypocrisy. Do your own homework, even if you lack the guts to admit that what you'll find (and have already seen) backs up my argument.

    Yeah, it's back to the same-old-same-old with you. You can't counter my arguments, you can't give any proof to your claims, and yet you still try to put all the fault on me. Just what do you do in the Air Force?

    Since you can't provide an example of racism against Obama, I guess I'll have to do it for you:

    http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/01/iranian-official-on-obama-the-only-change-is-that-this-ner-talks-about-regime-change/

    Oh wait, that's an Iranian politician. So much for Obama improving America's standing in the world, eh? Oh and look, he went to Berkeley, that haven of tolerance and progressive post-racialism (or whatever it's called).

    Posted in: GOP's Brown wins Massachusetts Senate race in blow to Obama

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    WhiteHawk

    As I recall, you would not take the simple step of providing the name of the insurance company so that the claim could be verified.

    Riiiight. I only gave you the website where I found it, my age range, and significant bits of my medical history. I gave you the map, what more do you want, a chauffeur?

    Fine. Blue Cross/Blue Shield. Is that enough, or will you need me to scan my insurance paperwork and upload it to the web?

    Posted in: Democrats mull options for moving health care bill

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    WhiteHawk

    Cant rule out the plane wasnt held together by scotch tape.....

    The 737-800 is a very good plane. Maintenance could be a factor, but "scotch tape" is taking it a bit far.

    Posted in: Ethiopian plane with 90 on board crashes into sea off Lebanon

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    WhiteHawk

    Here's a scenario: Congressional leaders call private-sector CEOs to "testify" about the economy (get blamed on camera for not hiring more people and selling more products), pass more taxes and regulations on said private-sector industries (which reduces their ability to hire people and maintain or increase production), and hit them up for campaign contributions all at the same time.

    Coming soon to a C-SPAN broadcast near you.

    Posted in: CEOs to Congress: Quit calling us for campaign cash

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    WhiteHawk

    amerijap:

    The biggest mistake you make is that you assume that those who point out the uninsured people are the leftists, democrats, and anti-Republicans.

    Is that what I said? Perhaps you missed my summation on another thread:

    "It's not that Americans - even "evil Republicans" - don't want to provide care for those who genuinely need it. But it's how to go about it that's the argument. Democrat voters (not all, but many) want health care of the same quality we have now, they just want the bill sent to someone else. Preferably a Republican. Democrat leaders want the power to say who gets what, and use that power to build their unquestioning voting block. Republican (and independent, if the last three elections are any indication) voters don't want corrupt, inept idiots like Pelosi, Murtha, Obama, etc., having any more control over their lives and money than they do already. They don't want another system that is going to be bursting the budget with fraud and abuse, as so many other government social programs are now. Republican leaders want tort reform in order to bring down the cost of health insurance, so more people can afford it on their own.

    Most Americans (and statically that has to include some Democrats) don't want the program that has been proposed by the current Democrat leadership. Instead of a $1,000,000,000,000+ bureaucratic nightmare, how just giving each American citizen who can't get health insurance a $1,000,000 medical savings account and be done with it? Why not? Because it's too simple, it doesn't involve enough lawyers or paperwork, it doesn't give Democrat leaders more control over the lives of nearly all Americans, and it doesn't put more leverage money into a system of corruption and political influence (just imagine Murtha having a health-care paradise in his district of Pennsylvania while the rest of the country makes do with less)."

    Even if I was a dye-in-the wool republican,(and I'm not an ultra liberal either), I don't see any of your point compelling.

    Really? Not even:

    "There are people in America who are truly needy, but there aren't 47,000,000 of them, and it won't take $1,000,000,000,000 to cover them."

    Wow, that surprised even me. Fine, be close-minded and intolerant of any information that challenges your prejudicial worldview. It will hurt you worse than it will hurt me.

    Posted in: GOP's Brown wins Massachusetts Senate race in blow to Obama

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    WhiteHawk

    USAFdude:

    It's amusing to see the Repubs crow about Brown (their new Messiah?! LOL!) as though he alone will overturn all the great things our Democratic leaders are accomplishing.

    Who said that?!? Oh, I see, that's your comprehension impairment again.

    It's not Scott Brown himself that the right is celebrating, it's that a district in the bluest of blue states elected a Republican senator for first time since 1946. I realize that span of time is lost on younger folks, but the historic impact of that election overshadows Scott Brown himself.

    In fact that election, while based on the health care issue, is having an effect on other intentions of this congress:

    http://www.nypost.com/f/print/news/national/endofcowardlylyinmRWfJbYLRlOqRxirNUoCxO

    The Americans still have a majority over the Republicans, thank Christ!

    You consider Americans and Republicans to be two different and separate groups? Fascinating. Still, the majority of Americans are opposed to this legislation. Why haven't you absorbed that yet?

    Posted in: Democrats mull options for moving health care bill

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    WhiteHawk

    We don't, however, allow the intolerant to try to define and judge what tolerance is.

    The problem is that you (and many on the Left) refuse to see your own intolerance.

    And since you brought up "fools and the dishonest ones", would you recognize a foolish or dishonest person if you saw one? You were foolish enough to believe all the hype and horror stories, all the fear-mongering, about the health care "crisis", that when I told you about the affordable health insurance I bought, you refused to believe me. Somebody was was finally honest and direct with you, used facts from their personal life, and you couldn't handle it.

    Time for you to dismount from that high horse, to paraphrase the old saying.

    Posted in: Democrats mull options for moving health care bill

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    WhiteHawk

    haven't

    Posted in: GOP's Brown wins Massachusetts Senate race in blow to Obama

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    WhiteHawk

    USAFdude:

    I just tried it "my way" again and got plenty of results. Yep, I accuse you of lying; now, I've proven you're a liar.

    Until you post those results, you have proven anything.

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    WhiteHawk

    yabits:

    No way. Although a 7-hour speech might qualify as torture.

    Might?!?

    Molenir:

    Oh, because no other lefty has ever turned to the forced labor/execution squad route right. Ah, wait, no just about all of them have. He's shutting down freedom of speech, he's shutting down freedom of expression. He's seizing property, and shutting down property rights. Is it really that much of a stretch to think he could go one step further?

    Just last week, I saw an article on Chavez taking over (nationalizing) a company that was owned by the French.

    bushlover:

    What a dork this guy is. I couldn't imagine 7 hours of BS about how everyone is against him. No wonder with the kinds of things that come out of his mouth. They better cull this idiot soon.

    Also last week, I saw another article where Chavez claimed the U.S. caused the earthquake in Haiti with their "earthquake machine". Which puts him in good(?) company with Pat Robertson (pact with Satan) and Danny Glover (Global Climate Change). In Hugo's case, it might've been towards the end of one of his marathon speeches. Or maybe he's just a paranoid idiot too.

    Fortunately, all Obama can do is whine about FoxNews. Ironically while Air America goes under (no more children's charities to embezzle from, I suppose).

    Posted in: Anti-Chavez channel removed from cable TV

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    WhiteHawk

    amerijap:

    For what purpose???

    To show you that greed applies to more than one thing. In the case of Pelosi, Reid and Obama, it's greed for votes and power. The Democrats do this through dependency. Getting as many people as they can dependent on government programs.

    You're asking the wrong person for that game. It's a waste of time.

    You're obstinate. Duly noted.

    Most of what I hear in the US is that people are getting sick, losing insurance, and/or filing for bankruptcy.

    And you hear that the ice caps are melting because wealthy people drive SUVs. What you don't hear (and apparently aren't interested in) are the specifics. Many people don't have money for health insurance because they've spent money on cars that are more expensive than they need, flat-screen TVs, etc. Their priorities are elsewhere. It's not like I'm immune to such thinking myself. I don't have a flat-screen tele, but if I didn't exercise some self-control, I would have more motorcycles and not be able to afford health insurance. There are people in America who are truly needy, but there aren't 47,000,000 of them, and it won't take $1,000,000,000,000 to cover them.

    Red herring.

    No, you said Japan's system is better. That means that Japan's system doesn't fail it's citizens. In Japan, people needing care are turned away from hospitals, in America they're not. In Japan, people are denied health care. In America, they are treated, and then pay for the treatment with 0% interest loans. Therefore, the system in Japan is not better than the system in America. Got it?

    Again, you call it a myth, but you don't provide any reason/evidence for that.

    Direct personal experience doesn't qualify as evidence? Wow, no wonder you can't change your mind.

    I gave you a rough number, but it doesn't really matter whether it includes immigrants or not. And it doesn't matter how many immigrants represent those uninsured. I don't have to break down of those statistics further because it's pointless.

    It doesn't matter? It's pointless? Just through a trillion dollars or so at the problem, specifics don't matter!

    You're just one of those lucky employees.

    No, I'm an individual who took responsibility for himself instead of crying to the government. If someone who is over 40, struggling with a new business venture, has metal in his leg from a motorcycle accident last year, and a cardiac arrest in his medical history file can buy a good policy for less than $100/month, what's holding millions of other Americans back?

    Why are you lecturing me about the availability of health insurance? Have you bought your own? I have, so where do you get your expertise?

    USAFdude:

    There is so much substantiation for the relentless racism against Obama (simply Google "racism against Obama") that you would have to be aware of it.

    Okay, I did. And all I got was more claims of racism without examples (Ironically, one involved statements made by Bob Dylan, the famous Leftist hippie). The first item on the list contained: "Socialist, Nazi, Muslim, Anti-Christ, Non-Christian, Hitler, Baby Killer." Except none of those terms are racist, and all but two of them were used by Leftist critics and George W. Bush. And no, "Muslim" is not a race. It's a religion.

    I asked you for proof, and instead of providing any, you told me to look for it myself (imagine that, a Leftist wanting someone else to do his work for them). I tried it your way and didn't get the results you said I would. And you accuse me of lying?

    **RomeoRamennII*:

    Sure, WhiteHawk. The racism directed at Obama has come from within the ranks of the Democratic Party elite; aka, the party of tolerance (Clinton, Biden, Reid). Even Obama has played the racism card on himself with his, "I don't look like all the others on the one dollar bill" comment.

    RR for the win.

    Athletes:

    It is just a minor setback for Democrats. Locals can not find the suitable candidate for senate. It is totally about local issue. Not about the nation.

    Wow, I thought the spinning had already stopped. There was more passion in this election than that district has seen seen Chappaquiddick. Even long-time Democrats voted for Brown. And they did so because of a national issue. Not because he promised to fix potholes in the local streets, but because he promised to vote against a piece of national legislation.

    Obama has admitted he has out of touch with voters for some issues. He will reinvented and energized himself for becoming the second term re elected president of USA.

    Yes, he might, but only for the election itself. Remember, Obama has already re-vented himself - he's a very different person from the one who made all of his campaign promises.

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    WhiteHawk

    My insurance company has said they will cover the removal of the metal implants that were installed due to my broken leg (motorcycle accident) last year. The doctor wants to remove the metal in another year or so, and it will be covered. No problem.

    I just want to clarify something before it gets taken out of context or misrepresented by one of my debate partners: I did not request that my insurance cover my subsequent surgery. I was merely going over my medical history and existing conditions with their representative, and she said it would be covered.

    Further, I would not request an insurance company to cover a pre-existing condition and find the concept ridiculous on its face. But this is exactly what Obama, Pelosi, and their blogging, posting sycophants expect - no, demand - of insurance companies. It's like wrecking your car (or in my case, motorcycle), or buying a wrecked car, and then buying an insurance policy after the fact and expecting them to repair the car. But such is the entitlement mindset of the far-Left.

    It's the mentality that voters in one district of Massachusetts were voting against the other day. For one of the most liberal, "progressive" parts of the country, the far-Left is just too far for them.

    Posted in: GOP's Brown wins Massachusetts Senate race in blow to Obama

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    WhiteHawk

    The Americans are doing the best job possible. Someone has to take charge and America is the country to do such. It has a large military forced trained in this work and it is nearest country to Haiti.

    Plus, their military ships can pump a lot of fresh water. They have hospitals on them too.

    Posted in: 1,400 planes waiting to bring aid to Haiti

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    WhiteHawk

    LFRAgain:

    But then again, I wasn’t the one in the position of having to deal with an IG who was essentially holding the city of Sacramento and its half-million citizens hostage to a demand to see that no federal funds whatsoever pass through Sacramento Mayor Johnson’s hands, including stimulus money, a revenue injection most if not all major municipalities across the nation desperately need, even now.

    You mean the investigation into the criminal misappropriation of said stimulus money? (The stimulus money that is so "needed", yet doesn't appear to be having much effect?) Again, you have an interesting way of looking at the world. Inaccurate, agenda-based, and disturbingly defensive, but interesting.

    Walpin was fired for investigating the misappropriation of government funds by one of Obama's friends. Period. Also, Obama promised while campaigning that he wouldn't fire any IGs. Perhaps such blatant corruption and cronyism was also on the minds of Massachusetts' voters.

    The Rick Wagoner who came to Washington begging for taxpayer (you and me) handouts, via a $20,000 round-trip private jet?

    Maybe he should have flown to Geneva on a private jet to receive a Nobel prize for being an environmentalist? (Or was it Oslo? Meh, I forget.)

    Who then, when asked by Congress if he would be willing to set aside his $15 million annual salary and work for $1 a year to help his embattle company, he replied, "I don't have a position on that today"?

    Were you critical of the AIG employees who did work for a $1 a year, only to call their deferred salaries "bonuses"? I'll wager you did.

    Wagoner’s lucky shareholders didn’t call for his head on a pike.

    Then why didn't the shareholders remove him?

    And as usual, I find yet another of your arguments dripping with hypocrisy. In particular, I didn’t hear a peep about “oppression” from Conservatives, yourself included, when President Bush authorized spying on U.S. citizens without warrant, when he had seven U.S. Attorneys fired by Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez – firings that were as politically motivated as some claim the Walpin firing to be.

    I'll see your seven and raise you ninety-three. The firings under Bush were for political reasons, but not your misrepresentation of them. When a judge is not a judge, but rather a political activist, they shouldn't be surprised when they get fired. Especially when it's legal to fire them for any reason, even none at all. How much did you complain when co-presidents Clinton fired all federal judges and replaced them with ones from their own mob family? You think that wasn't political? If your previous observations are any indication, you probably do.

    (Before you get your undies in a bunch, "mob family" was an example of tongue-in-cheek humor.)

    Which just makes me wonder what else you’ve “Meh. Just forgotten” while formulating your various opinions.

    So you're claiming to be perfect then? Fine, I'll hold you to that standard.

    Was it your subconscious intent to undermine your own argument about constitutionality by pointing out that things change based on society’s needs?

    Is that your rebuttal? That society needs this $1,000,000,000,000 bureaucratic nightmare just to cover 3% of the population? Are you saying society needs to be threatened with fines and jail time for not buying health insurance or signing onto the government plan? Are you saying that society needs political corruption infused into their health-care system? Is that your argument? I believe the voters in one district of Massachusetts have answered your argument. So have many national polls.

    Equating freedom from slavery with getting someone else to pay your medical bills... priceless Leftist intellectualism.

    So, when I drive down the road tomorrow on roads built with your tax dollars, you’re okay with that?

    With the way you drive? No. ;)

    You’re against taxation, yet paradoxically pay them every year, so are therefore an enabler of the very Socialist system you claim to oppose.

    Ah yes, the absolutist argument. I'm against excessive taxation. I'm also against excess spending. Does that mean I want everything to come to screeching halt? No, only an idiot would suggest that.

    In my own life, I don't stop all of my spending when my budget gets stretched, I just cut out the frivolous stuff. Why this didn't occur to you but your ridiculous absolutist argument did says a lot about you, frankly.

    By the way, if I don't pay my taxes, I get fined or jailed. So it's not like I can just refuse. Instead, I vote. Just like the people in Massachusetts voted the other night.

    Funny, the mentality they voted against is remarkably similar to yours. No wonder you're taking it so personally.

    Posted in: GOP's Brown wins Massachusetts Senate race in blow to Obama

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    WhiteHawk

    amerijap:

    It is greedy health care industries, corporations, and lobbyists in Washington and the Wall Street who are creating myth that American health care system is just doing fine.

    Are you arguing that Pelosi, Reid and Obama aren't greedy?

    It’s no match to Japan where almost all people have the coverage.

    It's better. In Japan, people are routinely turned away from hospitals, even when they need care. In America, that doesn't happen.

    47 million people uninsured,

    Thank you for proving my point about believing myths without questioning them. You're still quoting a talking point that hasn't changed despite the fact that unemployment has gone from below 5% to over 10% (and some studies show even higher), and thousands, perhaps millions of illegal aliens have returned to their home countries in the economic collapse. Have you ever seen a breakdown of this infamous "47 million" number?

    and those self-employed who cannot afford to pay insurance

    I got laid off in the collapse, am now self-employed, and I have health insurance. Less than $100/month.

    facing a serious consequence for buying private insurance without knowing their own medical history.

    My insurance company has said they will cover the removal of the metal implants that were installed due to my broken leg (motorcycle accident) last year. The doctor wants to remove the metal in another year or so, and it will be covered. No problem.

    Got any more myths?

    Still can't see why most Americans don't want the proposed legislation? Independent and even Democrat voters in Massachusetss voted in a Republican mainly to prevent a 60-vote majority. There are fixes needed, but this $1,000,000,000,000 bureaucratic nightmare simply isn't.

    USAFdude:

    Up to now, the only "criticisms" raised against Obama by neo-cons were irrational; they hate him for simply being a Democrat, or a liberal, or black, or they try (in vain) to slap with with ridiculous monikers like "socialist".

    You're right, "socialist" is a ridiculous moniker. "Marxist" is much more appropriate. So is "Alinskyite".

    By the way, have any proof about that often-claimed, never substantiated, racism allegation?

    (My neighbor is a staunch, life-long Democrat. His wife is a Berkeley liberal. She voted for Obama, but he sat out this election. Just couldn't bring himself to vote for even a partially black man. Me, I'd vote for Thomas Sowell in a heartbeat if someone could convince him to run. So much for your right-wingers-are-racists myth.)

    But now, the people of a historically Democratic state have elected a Republican; I'd like to hear from those same people why they did so, without the vitriolic spin that would inevitably come from the mouths of Limbaugh, Palin, or Beck. No more need to hear Sarge and his ilk; let's hear from the people of Massachusetts themselves.

    You already have. It's called exit polling. Try to pay attention, please.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31708.html

    Let rational debate among Americans finally begin, unencumbered by Republican greed and propaganda.

    In order for it to be rational debate, it would have to be unencumbered by Democrat fear-mongering and power-grabbing and yes, propaganda.

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    WhiteHawk

    Wow, we agree on something. ;-)

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    WhiteHawk

    dontknockit:

    I wonder if it would be quicker to fly somewhere close to Haiti then get the cargo there the rest of the way by ship? Getting those planes in quickly seems like it would be a logistical nightmare. And one glitch could mess everything up for days. So could one day of bad weather.

    With the avionics available on planes these days, it would have to be some extraordinarily bad weather.

    Smythe:

    Question is WHY was Haiti run like this for simply ages? Now it is a nightmare to all there [and] those that have come to help to supply FREE goods as Haiti does not, [and] never had the money to pay for help or supplies. While the vandals make Haiti into a place of horror [and] to other humans be they from a helping country or Haiti visitors, but then for ages Haiti has been like this for generations.

    Wow, just replace "Haiti" with "New Orleans"...

    neverknow2:

    I don't think so. No one else wants to invade bad enough.

    Hugo? Hugo Chavez, is that you?


    Not to be a parade-rainer, but it would be nice if the publicity-seeking politicians would get out of the way. Too many have made a point of being flown over so they can pose in front of a camera and show the folks back home they care. Even John Edwards has flown to Haiti. Edwards! He's not even in office!

    When Bush and Clinton were interviewed about their fund-raising efforts, Bush was asked if he was going to visit Haiti, and he said no, that he would stay out of the way. When Clinton was asked the same question, he said Oh yeah, absolutely. Sheesh.

    Posted in: 1,400 planes waiting to bring aid to Haiti

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